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In the age of youtube and twitch isn't there basically a huge population of entertainers who give their work away for free but do well off revenue from their popularity? It seems like ease of access would help musicians gain popularity and they'd be able to get more attention in concerts and such, has there been any studies that number crunched the pros and cons of piracy? It's obviously worse for the labels but it seems like kind a coin toss in whether it'd be better or worse for the musicians themselves.
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P. sure the guy in the op is old as gently caress and so doesn't understand any of those things, or the internet, or technology.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:27
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The Mad Archivist posted:I hope copyright advocates are right and piracy destroys the music and/or movie industries it mostly fucks over the small to medium artists since the big artists/labels make bank by various other means
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Jun 27, 2014 13:33
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have they considered retraining as plumbers or perhaps electricians instead of poncing around in spangly pants?
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Jun 27, 2014 13:39
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the go-betweens were good you dumb shits
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Jun 27, 2014 13:41
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ArbitraryC posted:In the age of youtube and twitch isn't there basically a huge population of entertainers who give their work away for free but do well off revenue from their popularity? It seems like ease of access would help musicians gain popularity and they'd be able to get more attention in concerts and such, has there been any studies that number crunched the pros and cons of piracy? It's obviously worse for the labels but it seems like kind a coin toss in whether it'd be better or worse for the musicians themselves. only the people at the top make a living while everyone else makes pennies because there's no longer a middle class of photographers and musicians. you either make it or you're nothing, and unless they can make it more convenient to buy music/whatever instead of copying it, all the attention and popularity in the world wont matter
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Jun 27, 2014 13:42
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Did you know pirates were basically the first unions, seizing the means of production (ships) from their corporate masters? So basically if you don't support piracy you are against labor rights
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Jun 27, 2014 13:44
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Harry Joe posted:Did you know pirates were basically the first unions, seizing the means of production (ships) from their corporate masters? copyright laws protect those who can't protect themselves. there's no real difference between 20-somethings calling for piracy and wall street bankers calling for less regulation
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Jun 27, 2014 13:45
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butplug accident posted:copyright laws protect those who can't protect themselves. there's no real difference between 20-somethings calling for piracy and wall street bankers calling for less regulation hmmmm yes this argument def provides legitimacy to the anti-pirates i can see your poi... FART
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Jun 27, 2014 13:47
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butplug accident posted:only the people at the top make a living while everyone else makes pennies because there's no longer a middle class of photographers and musicians. you either make it or you're nothing, and unless they can make it more convenient to buy music/whatever instead of copying it, all the attention and popularity in the world wont matter how dare you disparage the attention economy the future is now
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Jun 27, 2014 13:48
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Harry Joe posted:hmmmm yes this argument def provides legitimacy to the anti-pirates i can see your poi... FART u scared?
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Jun 27, 2014 13:48
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You wouldn't download a bag of dicks would you?
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Jun 27, 2014 13:49
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the way you think is funny since you think there's only 2 sides lol
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Jun 27, 2014 13:50
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butplug accident posted:u scared? Couldn't you tell from the fact I just poo poo my pants? Your argument blew my mind so hard it went out my rear end and now i gotta change my shorts. Thanks piracy, you have ruined yet another life
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Jun 27, 2014 13:53
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Just kidding i'm gonna go download some lovely pop songs just to poo poo in some independent artists corn flakes Besides music is basically like hitler anyways, and why would anyone wanna pay for hitler
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Jun 27, 2014 13:54
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A conservative who opposes universal health care might argue that people should only have to pay for health care when they want it, since it's a consumer choice. It's as if we were talking about aliens with the super-power to choose when to get sick and how much it will cost when that happens. Similarly, the Pirate Party crowd suggests that instead of making money from recordings, musicians should play live gigs. This strategy only works reliably for those who will always be healthy and childless. In fact it works best if the person’s parents are still healthy and generous. Any society that is composed of real biological people has to succeed at providing a balance to the frustrations of biological reality. There must be economic dignity, defined here as knowing you won’t fall off a cliff into abject poverty if you get sick, become a parent, or grow old.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:55
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solution to me stealing your poo poo: become a freelancer! surely that'll get all the creatives through life
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Jun 27, 2014 13:57
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ArbitraryC posted:In the age of youtube and twitch isn't there basically a huge population of entertainers who give their work away for free but do well off revenue from their popularity? It seems like ease of access would help musicians gain popularity and they'd be able to get more attention in concerts and such, has there been any studies that number crunched the pros and cons of piracy? It's obviously worse for the labels but it seems like kind a coin toss in whether it'd be better or worse for the musicians themselves. theres this whole secondary industry involving the production of physical goods that can be sold on store shelves by retailers like walmart and target. so even if record labels wanted to move towards piracy friendly positions (they don't) there is massive industry pressure against it, because while you can easily make the argument that recording companies would make more money by embracing open digital blah blah, theres no money for big retail in that direction.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:58
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Hesh Ballantine posted:theres this whole secondary industry involving the production of physical goods that can be sold on store shelves by retailers like walmart and target. so even if record labels wanted to move towards piracy friendly positions (they don't) there is massive industry pressure against it, because while you can easily make the argument that recording companies would make more money by embracing open digital blah blah, theres no money for big retail in that direction. Won't somebody please think of the parasites?!?
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Jun 27, 2014 14:01
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the internet nerds' solution to piracy is to lump together webcomic and slashfic authors with professional musicians and have them go around to cons year round and sell tshirts lol
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Jun 27, 2014 14:02
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For a band as historically unimportant as the Go-Betweens, the only way anyone will remember them is if Lindy Morrison yells about them for the next 20 years, going on about "historical significance", "pioneering women in rock" (yeah right) and getting a goddam overpriced toll bridge named after her lovely no-hit Smiths ripoff gay band. If the GoBetweens reformed today (unlikely, the main guy is dead) they'd pull about 10 punters to the Mt Gravatt Bowls Club. 
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Jun 27, 2014 14:05
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Why doesn't anyone have to pay them for being on the radio? Seems weird!
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Jun 27, 2014 14:10
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Uncle Wemus posted:pirates do steal a lot of money from musicians
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Jun 27, 2014 14:12
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbyowsinski/2013/11/27/the-lie-that-fuels-the-music-industrys-paranoia/ Wait, whats that blatantly pro-business webzone? People who complain about music piracy are full of poo poo? Why you don't say! It's almost as if people who suck at their jobs like to blame things that can't easily be quantified to shift the blame away from the fact that they suck.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:12
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butplug accident posted:
I know lots of musicians that live off gigs. Some are sick, some are parents and some are old so I don't know what you're talking about.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:16
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Manchild King posted:"Music industry charity" I laughed pretty hard at that bit. Do you feel it? Do you feel my charity inside you? Shhh, don't cry you know you wanted this.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:17
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Jun 27, 2014 14:18
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runupon cracker posted:Advertisement You will be amongst the first to be sent to the gallows
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Jun 27, 2014 14:19
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who the gently caress actually torrents music of all things cool yes I would like to collect thousands of 70Mb rars cool
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Jun 27, 2014 14:19
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bitterandtwisted posted:I know lots of musicians that live off gigs. Some are sick, some are parents and some are old so I don't know what you're talking about. guy who opposes universal healthcare: I know lots of people who were saved by the health care industry. Some were fired, some are parents and some are old so I don't know what you're talking about. I have more deece anecdotes if you want to hear them
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Jun 27, 2014 14:21
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butplug accident posted:guy who opposes universal healthcare: I know lots of people who were saved by the health care industry. Some were fired, some are parents and some are old so I don't know what you're talking about. I have more deece anecdotes if you want to hear them So royalties aren't earnings but benefits? Why not distribute them to everyone in need?
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Jun 27, 2014 14:27
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tpb isn't exploiting the musicians. The music industry is. seriously, i know pirating puts a dent in some wallets but it's not like i'm going to loving buy their album anyway. i need that money for hookers
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Jun 27, 2014 14:42
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According to someone smart, in 2009 37% of all music was pirated. If we extrapolate these numbers 100% of all music will be stolen by 2019. If we don't do something drastic nobody will have mainstream music to listen to.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:48
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Obscuritatem posted:have they considered retraining as plumbers or perhaps electricians instead of poncing around in spangly pants?
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Jun 27, 2014 14:59
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Wooten posted:According to someone smart, in 2009 37% of all music was pirated. If we extrapolate these numbers 100% of all music will be stolen by 2019. If we don't do something drastic nobody will have mainstream music to listen to. good imo
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Jun 27, 2014 15:00
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I know a lot of people feel strongly about music one way or another, sometimes the strength of their feelings can only be expressed through professional advocacy, so what I am saying is wouldn't it be easier if we just banned all music?Sure people would miss it at first and there would probably be some kind of resistance movement led by a charismatic young man dressed like it was still 1980 but in the end isn't music kind of lovely and we would all be better off if we never had to hear it again?
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Jun 27, 2014 15:46
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When you make something that sells for a tiny amount of money compared to what it cost you to actually make it, and people pirate the poo poo out of that, it's kind of discouraging tbh
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Jun 27, 2014 15:55
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OP unless you are Lindy Morrison, you really are in no position to be the onetalking about stealing is bad. you didn't write that. He or She did and you should feel bad.
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Jun 27, 2014 16:17
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"You know those download/streaming services that are eviscerating our album sales? Well in truth digital piracy is all their problem. But let's fight pirates anyway. The enemy of my enemy something something, after all." - The Music Industry  If anything record labels should be thanking us 
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Wah fuckin wah. I made a living in a band for ten plus years, and we were excited and flattered the first time we saw our poo poo being pirated. You make your house payments off live shows and record sales are just a fringe benefit. Bitching about torrents is for lazy greedy bitches who don't want to get off their asses and work for a living. And for studio musicians. gently caress those guys.
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