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Haroshia posted:low ping would crush me I always get annoyed by extremely fast paced combat systems that require split second movement/attack timing because of this exact reason. Online games will never reach LAN levels of network response time and developers need to take that into account when designing combat systems. It's one of the largest problems I've had playing Korean/Japanese games which are developed around everyone being in a relatively small geographic area with fantastic connections. Also had a very similar problem to yours playing Dynasty Warriors online where there were huge flashy insta-kill combos.
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I suppose I should have just written that the combat is better in Wulin, I havn't actually played Wushu in over a year. It's probably due to ping issues for me however, playing from Europe, but Swordsman combat feels really clunky and laggy for me so far. But I'll try to get to 50 at least in OB to see what it's like.
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Where is my Wudang class?
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So even down to the last hour of CBT or whatever, I was still figuring out new things about the game, it kind of feels a lot like Wushu in that way except better documented. And better localized. And less buggy despite there being some bugs. Are Perfect World in general known for being really bad because so far it seems like a huge step up from Snail? I know this is Perfect World Beijing who may be like a different group but they still use the same client program for logins, right? Is there some other game I should look at to know why people dislike Perfect World? And also do they have anything good, since they all seem to be F2P games(possibly also P2W games) and I won't have my good computer back until like the 1st? I need to kill three or four days and will put up with a lot of anime and tedious bullshit at the moment to have something to do. All my games are on Steam and also require more processing power than I have on this laptop. It did run Swordsman, though! Just uglier and slower. To sum up some of my experience with the two schools I did get to play a fair amount of during CBT, Shaolin and Wu-Tang, be a Shaolin if you want to be an unkillable rear end in a top hat who pinballs all over the place sweeping people up into nice neat piles for other people to murder and then hits them with a hadouken, and be a Wu-Tang if you want to be an unkillable rear end in a top hat who drops a sword on top of someone, vacuums everyone in a large AOE around the sword to the sword, stuns/knocks down everyone around the sword in a large AOE, acupunctures(a kind of very good hard cc) a bunch of people in a relatively large AOE with the sword, vacuums some more people with the OTHER sword vacuum skill and then I don't even know you just sort of aoe CC people constantly but you are less mobile and a little less personally tanky than Shaolin. Wu-Tang are probably a little better than Shaolin in 1v1, because their acupuncture comes out really quickly in comparison, but I'm still pretty sure that I just wasn't following up the Shaolin grab correctly, so I'm still not entirely convinced by initial assessments of Shaolin in 1v1. I think maybe I was supposed to hit them with something to knock them prone afterwards? Shaolin have more total skills than Wu-Tang, so I did not get to examine all of them as closely as I would have liked after my motherboard melted. I also played Zephyr, but did not get to do enough PVP with them. From what I did play, they seem like a very solid all around school, if somewhat fragile. Fragile being probably everyone who isn't Shaolin or Wu-Tang, though. Zephyr have a fair number of skills that seem like they would be very difficult to catch and keep hold of without hard CC at relatively long range, and could probably play a long range bombardment sort of role in group PVP very easily. They also have a nice AOE heal, although not QUITE as nice as the Five Venoms AOE heal. Still probably enough that you could play main healer in any of the instance difficulties we actually could enter at level 45. CBT did not last long enough to find out if the extra difficulty level the level 50 instance had(Alliance Leader) would have been hard enough to justify always wanting a Five Venoms along. I think you probably always want a Five Venoms along anyways, though, since their AOEs are so ridiculous in both PVE and PVP. Just not in the actually required way? Anyways, Zephyr seem probably more focused on single target DPS although they do have AOEs and you could definitely build both an AOE and single target bar, I think.
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Should note, If you want to be Fei from Xenogears and do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-_0Yo4ZMQ&t=85s then you should choose Emei.
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This....actually looks like fun. I'll probably give it a shot. Open world PvP is always a huge draw for me. EDIT: How the heck do you use Arc? I can't seem to download the game. Do I need to wait for early access date to actually open to download it? skystream92 fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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skystream92 posted:This....actually looks like fun. I'll probably give it a shot. Open world PvP is always a huge draw for me. Do you have a key from a starter/hero pack? After entering my closed beta key it just let me download the game, but since closed beta is down now I'm not entirely sure whether it will let you download it before the 1st. Basically I just redeemed my key, then went to Games>Swordsman>Play for Free. EDIT: I mean the Beta Key that they e-mail you.
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Misbiopy posted:Do you have a key from a starter/hero pack? After entering my closed beta key it just let me download the game, but since closed beta is down now I'm not entirely sure whether it will let you download it before the 1st. Basically I just redeemed my key, then went to Games>Swordsman>Play for Free. Didn't get a key when I purchased the starter/hero pack. I wonder if they won't send me the key until the early access begins.
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I don't think that's intended. I'd either check my email spam folder to make sure it didn't get sorted into that(mine did), or try opening a support ticket since they supposedly are actually in the office now.
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Jun 28, 2014 19:20
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Hy_C posted:Where is my Wudang class? Wudang is Wu-Tang Order Number 1 The game looks like wushu since they are both wuxia and that is a well defined genre. The flying skills are pretty much the same. There are schools that are the same since they are in the novels and movies. Scholars in wushu is harmony here Tong is Tang Wu-Tang is Wudang Shaolin is Shaolin Sun and Moon is like WV and RG had a rage baby E'mei is emei This game just adds more from the books.
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Just ran across this game, then I remembered Wushu. Dancing the night away in team practices with dem Goontangs. That one time we killed some world boss and I naively looted the head item, then promptly heard Grithok yelling something about "Who the gently caress looted the head" and me having to follow him all the way back to town to turn it in so he could get the book. Good times, count me in! Emei for life!
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The best part about that was the book was for some array that we never had any other abilities to. That and goons would bitch at me constantly for who needs to get that array. Now no one even visits that world boss.
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We thought the array would be used for something eventually. We were wrong. There are actual good arrays in Wushu now but aside from the Peach array which is great noone will ever put any of them up, because they require like five members of a school and noone is actually in a school other than Beggars. Anyone can learn the Peach array from a member of that faction, though. Guild arrays still don't exist, and none of the dumb arrays I collected are useful, though. Basically Wushu likes to promise that it will have content and then never actually add the content. Instead they add something else that noone other than pay to wins want in the game.
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Misbiopy posted:I don't think that's intended. I'd either check my email spam folder to make sure it didn't get sorted into that(mine did), or try opening a support ticket since they supposedly are actually in the office now. Okay thanks for the info. I did put in a support ticket, so let's see what happens. EDIT: Nvm I found it...it was put into promotions in gmail 
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  Five Venoms Writeup: (it's mostly negative, warning in advance) Set 1: W: Ranged targetted spam. Skill 1: Armor and poison damage passive increase, all classes get this, not anything to say Skill 2: Poison-douken, longrange passive poison thing, ehh Skill 3: Leash whip thing, You latch to a dude and jump to him and kick him back Skill 4: Flourish: Bigass aoe super heal on a half minute cooldown, amazing, you will always have this in your skill bars practically Set 1 is a hodgepodge of bleh abilities with flourish, the one good ability in it. The beginning is pretty bad for five venoms. Set 2: W: Longrange whip, pretty useful because I believe it can hit multiple dudes. Skill 1: Silver Thread: latch a dude, jump on him, step on his balls, kick him away, annoying spam especially when combined with the leash whip from set 1 Skill 2: Arachnidia: Grab a dude and flip him overtop of you to be behind you, pulls people or enemies into your group, nifty ability that's useful Skill 3: Spinspinspin: Poison dudes, draw them to you, and spin more, nifty useful ability that does surprising damage and your first big aoe move, set this up on self cultivation and go watch porn or something because you'll do just fine if I remember right Skill 4: Whipsweep: Big aoe that hits infront of you, can be used 3 times before it goes on cooldown, pushes dudes away Skill 5: Whipspam: You mash the button and whip a shitload of times, at the end you kick the dude in the air, pretty nifty, never actually use it. Skill 6: Big pink whipspam cutscene, you dance around for a bit and hit dudes in a big aoe, push them away, and lock them down, Also a good aoe move Set 2: Combination between whipping dudes and spinning, pretty nifty and ok by me, useful combo is the silver thread arachnidia whipspam sweep spin and repeat, use that a lot against almost everyone and you're pretty cool Set 3: AOE AOE AOE AOE AOE Skill 1: Poison AOE, drop wherever you target Skill 2: Fire AOE, drop below you, can be used in air Skill 3: Ice AOE, drop below you, can be used in air, also freezes people solid, goooooood ability Skill 4: Poison AOE, you can't do anything but enemies get stunned, and by stunned I mean they can roll out of it, good for killin' mobs Skill 5: Explosion: Fire AOE, that's about it Skill 6: Butterflything: You grow wings and explode, dudes get launched, same as above Skill 7: Knockout dust: You spit dust in peoples face and cause them to get block breaked and I think silenced, never got to use in pvp and in pve it sucked so Skill 8: Spiderman, you climb up into the ceiling (Even outside) and drop down somewhere close by onto people or whatever and hurt them Skill 9: Poison Spit A: You summon a snake, he spits poison in a direction, it's a thing Skill 10:Poison Spit B: You summon a butterfly, he spits poison in a direction, and 2 directions close to it, it's a thing also Skill 11: Entangle: You throw your whip in a direction, if it hits a dude he gets stunned and pulled to you, if he's dazed you launch him, I would love this ability if it wasn't so short ranged because people can roll and end up JUST out of range of it, and while rolling you can't hit them Set 3: HUGE hodgepodge of abilities that are weird and I can't even remember all of them, but it's pretty much exclusively AOE stuff which is nifty These are all the skills of the set that I can remember right now and the sets they came with, remember it's starting for set 1, 20 for set 2, 40 for set 3. PVE: the set is nice because you can afk forever and clean up mobs by just dropping fire, then ice aoe, then the poison aoe and let mobs die in your field, the AOE heal is I think the most useful healing in the game, and if you have 3 five venoms you can have a perpetual healing ring that (while it eats through chi pretty well) almost ensures you can never die in any situation the ice AOE works on almost everything, so you can have a venoms buddy drop ice on lots of things and laugh as you alternate it, then do the poison aoe alternated to almost perpetually lock every mob in the game down. Instances are also nice because bosses are not invulnerable to the ice drop except for ONE lady on a horse I think, which means at higher levels it might be trash. PVP: Arena PVP: Uuuuugh I hate five venoms for PVP because people think it's the topshit when I think it's dogshit. The big issue is pvp in this game is [VERY VERY VERY] reliant on combo, and making sure that people can't interrupt your combo. The issue is that the first set grab&jump, arachnida, and silver line are REALLY GOOD and don't do any damage at all, but they set you up RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR OPPONENT!!!!! And then he rolls away, and all of your AOE are EXTREMELY short ranged so you can't follow up with any important abilities that can do any damage and you can't use those abilities for half a minute where your opponent can now just wreck you. It's also funny because as I was pvping I learned that the 1 2 3 punch of jump&grab, arachnida, silver line can actually be interrupted immediately after arachnida by rolling which means the dickstomp never happens, and if you try to chase them to dickstomp them they can just wreck you. I saw a five venoms in PVP who was apparently the master, and every fight I saw her do she did jump&grab, arachnida, silver line, ice aoe, fire aoe, poison aoe and let them die, the issue is that in replication none of these can be used if your opponent rolls out, which happens all the time. Your grabs can't be blocked, but you can't do anything after the grabs and the grabs do no damage. Open World PVP: the ONLY way I actually killed people in pvp was in open world, if they were able to be avengekilled I could triplejump, glide over them, drop the ice, drop the fire, wait for them to try to roll out, entangle them into me and poisonaoe on them and do the 1 2 3 combo, and then when they try to do a move or whatever to wreck you, run away and wait for the ice to cooldown again, drop THAT on them and then they're dead. Also, none of your pulls actually pull people off horses, and will just leave you there standing wondering why they didn't get knocked off their horse. I am not playing five venoms in the actual game. Edit: OH RIGHT, The ONLY luck I had with PVP I do need to say Hit with the set 1 pullyoutothem Arachnidia to throw them behind you Silver thread to kick them in the balls Predict where they roll and hit them with entangle, and because it's not targetted if they roll behind you then your hosed, ALSO hit them slightly after they stop rolling but before they jump back, becasue the range is tight there and that's the only way to do it They should now be paralyzed, hit them with a few whops and then ice 'em, then hit them with fire, Then all your abilities are on cooldown, the dude's at half health, and you won't be able to replicate that again because he's just going to zephyrspam on you or run away from you and emei charge in or whatnot Forer fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Well that answers the Five Venoms or Tong question I had, time to shoot people in the face.
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Forer posted:
Can you describe what happens in this fight? Watching this the poison AOE seems crazy powerful when the target is stunned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIKVw7_kxWc
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Killsion posted:Can you describe what happens in this fight? Watching this the poison AOE seems crazy powerful when the target is stunned. They are. Forer just didn't know how to into 5venoms. Their big flaw is the same as Sun Moon where their pull can be tricky to land, but if they land it you are hosed. That player was also playing like poo poo by standing on the ground so much against a Harmony. Haroshia fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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How is Zephyr in PvP? Been thinking about rolling that.
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Killsion posted:Can you describe what happens in this fight? Watching this the poison AOE seems crazy powerful when the target is stunned. Oh right, I forgot the spider web ability Third set: Skill whatever: Spider web, You drop a spider web, it locks people down and doesn't do damage, it's the biggest of yoour abilities and people can STILL roll out from the center of it What happens in that fight with the poison AOE at 1:12 is the dude stands still and gets hit with entangle, I absolutely never got to use entangle on a person and NOT have them basically immediately laugh it off, and it's such a short range that if someone gets that close to you then they're already killing you, and at 1:20 I believe he would be able to roll away. That COULD be gamed more and more damage done by doing the ice, then fire, whacking him a bit and THEN doing poison to delay the time he can get up if he's not rolling but... Once again, rolling is op. That's the first part of stuff I'm seeing offhand FakeEdit: Basically the gimmick is, IF you hit them with the ice aoe, then you're gonna have a fun time. The ice aoe is SUCH a short range that you're never going to get anyone to walk in it willingly, and the only trick you can do is jumping and hoping they jump under you RealishEdit: OH RIGHT, And if you arachnidia people in the corner, THEN you can drop an ice on them for free since they can't get kicked back any further, so that does mean you can area deny people from standing around walls or you can push them INTO walls and then drop ice on them, since the walk over to them is short as hell. Forer fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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skystream92 posted:How is Zephyr in PvP? Been thinking about rolling that. From what I have seen, really good. Their acupuncture skill they get at 40 is on par with Harmony in terms of ease of landing, AND it can hit jumping targets. Only problem is it can be blocked, but people don't block much anyways.
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I'm pretty sure that if all it requires is for someone to be acupunctured, then there are going to be a million opportunities to use that combo in group PVP if coordinated. I'm also really not sure that can be rolled out of, since I've seen people do that combo and never seen anyone roll out of it. Zephyr looks like they are probably good at everything except tanking which is mostly a PVE thing.
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OH right, I forgot to mention, the POISON AOE (2): it's a big plant that explodes, it takes a while for the plant to APPEAR and after it appears it roots people, so you can add another skill to the list of Ice Fire PoisonA PoisonB that messes with peopleMisbiopy posted:I'm pretty sure that if all it requires is for someone to be acupunctured, then there are going to be a million opportunities to use that combo in group PVP if coordinated. I'm also really not sure that can be rolled out of, since I've seen people do that combo and never seen anyone roll out of it. Group PVP, five venoms will be HILLARIOUSLY useful because of so many different abilities that lock people in place and shits on them in a game where PVP is all about making sure your opponent can never press a button or you won't ever press a button. I never got to see that so its use is extremely questionable to me and if it requires more people to be good then I don't think it's good IF however, ANY of the skills you get at 70 or 80 that you learn, the lost arts have ONE MOVE, JUST ONE MOVE that lets you take a person, hit them from a long range and stun them RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE STANDING like the emei charge, Five venoms will be absurdly powerful because of how much they can do with that one stun. Place your bets though
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 Game plays itself. Drinkfist fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Jun 28, 2014 20:52
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Has anyone had any good experience with House Tong? If I join up I'd be tempted to go with them if only for the sake of being very out of place in the setting and the ability to slap honor dueling sperglords with a rocket in the face.
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I got to 50 as tong. In duels against me, I either completely locked people down or they had one or two chances to get in. The exception to this were classes with multiple charges. This is your combo which you can mix up. Baofeng from wushu was doing the same and a lot of people did not enjoy fighting either of us. Headshot: 0.25 second cast, stuns the target if they are not blocking. If they are blocking then you charge for 1.5 seconds to go through block. This tracks targets and can not miss. Death Coil: this is a root that is a skill shot. Your opponent can only dodge roll while entangled. Gunslinger: Rapid fire and good damage. You can move while using this and it always aims at your cross hairs no matter what way you are facing. Minigun: each bullet knocks the opponent back. The gun sweeps right to left to right and repeats. The opponent can jump over them or move to your left to hope to get out of the sweep. If you walk forward, or just tap forward, the gun resets to its most right position. You can keep tapping forward to keep the arc smaller. The minigun will turn with your character, unlike how gunslinger works. So if they are next to you, it is easy for them to avoid it by moving around you. Shrapnel: Fires a rocket at the enemy that knocks the opponent up. Skill shot. When you first cast this, you can keep casting it for a few seconds. Max of six rockets. This move can be done in the air to keep you from falling. Landmine: You drop a landmine at your feet, if the opponent steps on it, they get acupunctured (sap from wow, breaks upon damage). When you first cast this, you can keep casting it for a few seconds. Max of three mines. Vulture: A short range throw where you launch your enemy into the air and shoot them. This can be done while in the air. That is pretty much your 1v1 set up and if done right they have to wait for all of that before they can do anything and your cool downs are almost done then. I also some times use the dodge trap which teleports you backwards leaving an illusion that changes to an aoe snare/damage trap or bullet hell which is on a long 1 min cool down but can be used in the air and stuns anyone it hits. Third World Reagan fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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So are we basically on hold until 7/1 to get in? I don't see any play buttons on the Arc client.
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Yeah the beta doesn't start till the 1st.
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So how is 3v3 pvp anyway, it sounds like a lot of it would end up being smear the tong or whatever, and if you have an extra person then you win.
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You set up the team ahead of time in the arena and you start pretty much right next to each other. So blocking at the start is important. From there, hope you got a wudang or shaolin to CC things.
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Forer posted:So how is 3v3 pvp anyway, it sounds like a lot of it would end up being smear the tong or whatever, and if you have an extra person then you win. Nah I don't think so you have a lot of classes with aoe lockdowns which lets the tong focus fire someone down unharassed. I'd think in a 3v3 with them you should be focusing on the weakest one first to take advantage of the burst damage out the gate.
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Haroshia posted:They are. Forer just didn't know how to into 5venoms. Their big flaw is the same as Sun Moon where their pull can be tricky to land, but if they land it you are hosed. That player was also playing like poo poo by standing on the ground so much against a Harmony. Exactly, 5venoms are really strong, the build Forer talked about in the pvp part of his megapost was pretty much the build I gave him give or take and it wrecks everyone. Slight difference was no poison aoe thing though, because that requires you aiming it and that's time spent not exploding your enemy, 5venoms has really good on paper abilities for pvp, but you find you can't use them in actual pvp, hence why it took myself several attempts to create a build which actually did damage, I believe I fought against one of your characters with it Haro.
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Say what you want about the dominatrix school but they have an extremely useful ground placed heal that saved us many times in guild events and instances.
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The eternal question: E'mei or Tong? I kind of want to shoot people in the face, but I also kind of like healing and poo poo too. I think I will literally flip a coin.
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Emei shoot poo poo too just not from a gun! Also looking at some youtube videos I think I might go shaolin they look fun and punch the gently caress outta dudes.
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randombattle posted:Emei shoot poo poo too just not from a gun! Click the first picture in the op.
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Boogaleeboo posted:The eternal question: E'mei or Tong? You can have more than one character, it's insane.
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Third World Reggin posted:Click the first picture in the op. I know that's why I'm thinkin shaolin. Plus everyone is gonna be naruto or wudang anyway.
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Totally going to be a short dwarf toaist wizard
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