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When I first typed that post I had "fatties" in it but I decided to make it more hyperbolic instead
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Luckily they're so loving incompetent that any Clancy-wank PMC revolution would be defeated by three PCSOs and a lollipop lady on her day off.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:13
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Great company slogan, that. G4S: We'd be terrifying if we weren't so poo poo.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:46
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You have to have some admiration for the people at the top in G4S; be complete poo poo, get lots of money for it.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:58
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Spangly A posted:It's still ongoing. I really loving wish I could name names but I don't fancy a libel case right now. A friend of mine was a child prostitute and has seen sitting MPs on the news that she was raped by. As long as its not Big Dennis and Johnny Mac I'm fairly sure everyone else is terrible.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:08
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Spangly A posted:It's still ongoing. I really loving wish I could name names but I don't fancy a libel case right now. A friend of mine was a child prostitute and has seen sitting MPs on the news that she was raped by. Missed this post. That's horrific. And probably well known but ignored by his peers and the journalists around him.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:28
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Gonzo McFee posted:Great company slogan, that. Having worked for G4S for some years in the past, been one of the company's golden boys (I think they still use my profile in their global recruitment literature) and been worn down and broken by their incompetence, managerial ineptitude, cost-cutting, bullying and often flat out racist behaviour, let me tell you this: no matter how bad the company looks from the outside, it's nowhere near as bad as it is from the inside. Utter bunch of fuckers. Though hey, the 20k I won off them at tribunal did pay for a year off and a lot of therapy to get my head together after they screwed me about.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:50
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Should have put some of that money towards an exorcism, just to be sure.
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Jul 3, 2014 22:08
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Gonzo McFee posted:Missed this post. That's horrific. And probably well known but ignored by his peers and the journalists around him. There's a group and its fairly well organised, until recently she genuinely believed that reporting it would get her arrested because that's what her "madam" told her. The fact it was arranged in the same way as the posho escort services is what pissed me off the most tbh. She's never given us a list of names and I don't think she knows them all.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Missed this post. That's horrific. And probably well known but ignored by his peers and the journalists around him. This is the thing really, not 'why do people in power do it' - you can speculate on the psychology involved, but the short answer is that they actually do it because they can get away with it. The better question is why people who don't do it actually allow it to go on, either explicitly ignoring it or just not prying too deeply so they can claim ignorance. What's the psychology behind enabling this kind of poo poo?
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baka kaba posted:What's the psychology behind enabling this kind of poo poo? There's quite a few effects that allow humans to let all kinds of horrible poo poo happen. The biggest applicable ones that occur are a) denial: this poo poo is hosed up and I can't deal with this and if I don't poke it I don't have to care, b) rationalisation: it must be ok because it keeps happening and surely someone would do something, which ties to c) whatever the root cause of bystander effect is (not the effect itself: if you see something horrible happen it's automatically delegated to someone else. If nobody stands up, nothing happens. d) humans are known to allow vastly greater transgressions of morality by themselves and acquaintances than by strangers (the example I was taught was if you cut someone up in traffic you've had a bad day, if they do it they're a loving arsehole, and probably quite importantly e) blackmail. Politics is dirty. Don't open pandoras box. We're absolutely incredible at allowing repugnant poo poo to happen because we have so many coping mechanisms to ignore it, purely because not coping with it just leads you to be angry all the time and constantly getting arrested for assault, disturbing the peace, incitement, or whatever else the pclice feel like booking you for that day.
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baka kaba posted:This is the thing really, not 'why do people in power do it' - you can speculate on the psychology involved, but the short answer is that they actually do it because they can get away with it. The better question is why people who don't do it actually allow it to go on, either explicitly ignoring it or just not prying too deeply so they can claim ignorance. What's the psychology behind enabling this kind of poo poo? Every time you buy anything with coltan in it (pretty much everything electronic really) you're supporting a brutal decade old war in Congo rife with genocide, child soldiers and mind boggling quantities of rape. If the world would give a drat the UN mission there would be 10 times the size it is at the least and be able to be effective. So when you tell me why you haven't agitated for doing something about the situation in Congo recently you'll have your answer. Spangly A posted:We're absolutely incredible at allowing repugnant poo poo to happen because we have so many coping mechanisms to ignore it, purely because not coping with it just leads you to be angry all the time and constantly getting arrested for assault, disturbing the peace, incitement, or whatever else the pclice feel like booking you for that day. We live in a society that values order much more than it values justice. It's no surprise, for institutions need stability and order in order to be stable, and all institutions inherently want to perpetuate themselves. Those that are the best at it are the ones that last longest and become most dominant. If we would value justice more than order, and take up "no justice, no peace" as our mantra, we'd be willing to make large and sweeping changes very regularly. We might say we'd live in a state of permanent revolution. The perpetrators of injustice wouldn't be very happy with that, and wouldn't you know they happen to make up pretty much the entire political and economic elite. In sum, if you want to live in a fair world the first step must be to smash capitalism. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Spangly A posted:c) whatever the root cause of bystander effect is (not the effect itself: if you see something horrible happen it's automatically delegated to someone else. If nobody stands up, nothing happens. I'm pretty sure this is fear.
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Well I'm not talking in an abstract, degrees-of-separation sense - I'm talking more about people who are directly connected, moving in the same circles as those perpetrating the abuse, who effectively turn a blind eye to what they know is going on, or what they've heard about. A lot of these stories seem to take the form of open secrets, not powerful people skulking around in complete and absolute anonymity or in shadowy undiscovered groups. And to a lesser point groups like the police, who aren't necessarily connected but still have the obligation to investigate these things, especially when victims are coming forward. But I'm really talking about peers - in elite groups especially, where they have the power and influence to do something, but they choose not to. Not so much out of fear in their position, more out of expedience and political calculus. That's the hosed up mentality I'm talking about
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I honestly think it just comes down to people trying to protect their organisations from bad PR. I'm trying to think of examples of this sort of cover-up happening and the only ones I can come up with involve churches, schools and sports teams; all of which depend very heavily on their public image.
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Spangly A posted:We're absolutely incredible at allowing repugnant poo poo to happen because we have so many coping mechanisms to ignore it, purely because not coping with it just leads you to be angry all the time and constantly getting arrested for assault, disturbing the peace, incitement, or whatever else the pclice feel like booking you for that day. I vaguely remember a tv series that was on when I was younger called The Whistleblower. I actually only remember two things about it: the self-explanatory premise, and that the very last thing that happened was the titular corporate grass getting shot in the head by an unidentified sniper. makes u think
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Orange Devil posted:If we would value justice more than order, and take up "no justice, no peace" as our mantra, we'd be willing to make large and sweeping changes very regularly. We might say we'd live in a state of permanent revolution. The perpetrators of injustice wouldn't be very happy with that, and wouldn't you know they happen to make up pretty much the entire political and economic elite. In sum, if you want to live in a fair world the first step must be to smash capitalism. How would such a change deal with varied concepts of justice? It would come down to which group has the greater power to enforce their concept of justice.
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He never said it would be easy.
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Orange Devil posted:If we would value justice more than order, and take up "no justice, no peace" as our mantra, we'd be willing to make large and sweeping changes very regularly. I choose to interpret this as a call to set ourselves up as costumed vigilantes, Watchmen style. I'll be Batman.
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Somehow goon vigilantes don't seem very threatening.
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Saki posted:Somehow goon vigilantes don't seem very threatening. Wouldn't surprise me if these threads are monitored by NACTSO (The National Counter Terrorism Security Office). MI5 gets to deal with all the proper terrorists, so NACTSO's always left rather lamely attempting to talk up local protest groups and internet blowhards as being dangerous "domestic terrorist" threats that totally justify their budget.
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Umiapik posted:Wouldn't surprise me if these threads are monitored by NACTSO (The National Counter Terrorism Security Office). MI5 gets to deal with all the proper terrorists, so NACTSO's always left rather lamely attempting to talk up local protest groups and internet blowhards as being dangerous "domestic terrorist" threats that totally justify their budget. There's a sitcom in that. Someone call Armando Iannucci.
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Obliterati posted:There's a sitcom in that. Someone call Armando Iannucci. Yeah, it would have to be a kind of dark comedy though. I can't think of those guys without imagining them hitting breaking point one day as the scour the terrible internet histories of the average American. Maybe there's a new conspiracy in this actually; what if all the recent mass shootings are actually NSA agents gone mad from their job, wanting revenge on the public...
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Another day where the government sees the boundary of parody and goes beyond it - this time, the Serious Fraud Office have been fined half a million for withholding 4 million in VAT from HMRC. http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/article/serious-fraud-office-fined-reclaiming-wrong-vat/560731 quote:The Serious Fraud Office (SFO) was fined more than half a million pounds for owing HMRC £4m in VAT.
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baka kaba posted:This is the thing really, not 'why do people in power do it' - you can speculate on the psychology involved, but the short answer is that they actually do it because they can get away with it. The better question is why people who don't do it actually allow it to go on, either explicitly ignoring it or just not prying too deeply so they can claim ignorance. What's the psychology behind enabling this kind of poo poo? I don't have to do anything because someone else will. It's a commons problem.
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Saki posted:Somehow goon vigilantes don't seem very threatening. They'd all wear those loving Guy Fawkes masks off that terrible film.
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Umiapik posted:I choose to interpret this as a call to set ourselves up as costumed vigilantes, Watchmen style. I'll be Batman. I was telling you to clean your floor regularly, surely.
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Pissflaps posted:They'd all wear those loving Guy Fawkes masks off that terrible film. So they're all members of Anonymous?
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Zero Gravitas posted:Another day where the government sees the boundary of parody and goes beyond it - this time, the Serious Fraud Office have been fined half a million for withholding 4 million in VAT from HMRC. Hilarious, that's improved an otherwise crappy Friday in work.
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baka kaba posted:What's the psychology behind enabling this kind of poo poo?
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Zephro posted:Humans are social primates with strong dominance hierarchies, basically. *throws poo poo at the screen in zealous disagreement*
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Pissflaps posted:They'd all wear those loving Guy Fawkes masks off that terrible film. Think more Creepy horse masks and concrete dildos.
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Boing posted:I don't have to do anything because someone else will. It's a commons problem. Is it still a common's problem if the police threatened to murder anyone who did try and stop it? quote:“At one point they had me up against a wall by my throat with a gun at my head telling me in no uncertain terms that I was to back away if I knew what was good for me.
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Crashbee posted:Is it still a common's problem if the police threatened to murder anyone who did try and stop it? Well. That's a thing. Strange how I don't doubt it anymore.
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Crashbee posted:Is it still a common's problem if the police threatened to murder anyone who did try and stop it? Is this a credible source?
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Discendo Vox posted:Is this a credible source? I don't know anything about the witness, but the Express is a terrible lovely newspaper. However I don't doubt the story, this is the Met we are talking about.
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Discendo Vox posted:Is this a credible source? The Express? Naw. Although the way the guy talking to the express is describing it there will be other witnesses who can corroborate. And the Met has a history of being corrupt shitheads what with the murder of Daniel Morgan and the mysterious disappearance of massive amounts of files that may have proven corruption.
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Yeah, do remember that the Express has a habit of jumping on weird conspiracy theories for all they're worth. This may be the next Princess Diana or Madeline McCann.
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All the Express article is doing is printing Chris Fay's allegations. It's his credibility, not that of the Express, that matters here. e: The stuff about the raid of the Elm Guest House and Cyril Smith is all independently verifiable. e2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24074818 Gum fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Bristol woman Sara Gardiner fears her £28,000 Rolf Harris painting is now worthlessquote:A BRISTOL woman who invested her life savings in a painting by disgraced celebrity Rolf Harris says she fears it has been devalued by up to 90 per cent. Would have been better to put it into bitcoin.
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