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McDowell posted:Jewish State Like I said, it ends on its own (by definition). Absurd Alhazred posted:Who is going to be giving them that citizenship? I don't see that ending in anything but a brutal civil war that Palestinians will lose because Israelis are better armed. I would like to see less borders in some future time, but right now I don't see Israeli Jews accepting a State where Jews aren't in charge. If it has to be non-democratic, they'll take that route. Hell, they are taking that route with the Occupation right now, the only reason there's a semblance of the whole thing being democratic is that even according to Israeli law, the West Bank is under military occupation. That's effectively what's happening right now just drawn out. The states of Palestine that exist now (either Gaza + West Bank or each individually) are not tenable states. They're Indian reservations. computer parts fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Jul 1, 2014 02:44
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Aurubin posted:You guys forget that the majority of US support stems from evangelicals actively trying to create the conditions for the second coming. Support as in votes, maybe. Support as in money, eh there's a lot more rich Jews than rich Evangelicals (especially as a proportion to their respective populations) and just like any other rich people they donate to aid their interests.
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Jul 1, 2014 04:54
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Aren't there Arab Israeli citizens who aren't Palestinians?
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Jul 1, 2014 23:27
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Xandu posted:Sure there's Jews from other Arab countries, but generally when people refer to Arab Israelis, they mean Palestinians. No I mean there are Arabs living in Israel (not the Palestinian territories) that don't consider themselves Palestinians.
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Jul 1, 2014 23:56
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Aurubin posted:I've always been curious why, in relative terms, Israel/Palestine rated so highly on the scale of moral atrocities. Without rancor, I'd probably say that it's because it's white people oppressing a minority. Cause people sure as poo poo don't care about a place like Eritrea. Probably media attention and the fact that it's been ongoing for 70 years.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:10
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Saudi hate is pretty consistent across the board. A bunch of renewable energy rhetoric (including people from "clean coal") is essentially "Let's get off of oil so that we're not paying those Arabs money anymore". If there is conservative support for them it's more in a necessary evil sense.
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Jul 5, 2014 15:24
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illrepute posted:The Soviets created a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Siberia, the Americans came close to putting one in the Inside Passage of Alaska. Not great locations, but I'd certainly take Siberia over the war-torn ruins of Gaza. It's not even that desolate, it's the same latitude as Paris.
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Jul 11, 2014 04:47
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Volkerball posted:Hey you know that hospital that got bombed a couple days ago? Well they just got a phone call. Israel telling them to evacuate. It must've been Joe Biden.
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Jul 16, 2014 04:28
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Petey posted:How is the beach event playing in the American media today? It's not to the best of my knowledge.
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Jul 17, 2014 03:32
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ReidRansom posted:
Actually it's not quite true: http://www.msnbc.com/all-in-with-chris-hayes/watch/four-boys-killed-on-gaza-beach-306364483898 That's probably the most charitable video regarding it which is basically "here is the stuff that objectively happened, Israel says it wasn't intentional, the US isn't calling for an investigation because reasons".
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Jul 17, 2014 03:44
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Well, if anyone was wondering what the Indian wars would look like in the 21st Century...there you go.
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Jul 17, 2014 21:40
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Qmass posted:oh come on, Americans loving LOVE their high horse. The hunt for bin laden killed way more civilians around the world than Israel has killed Palestinians Only if you honestly believe Iraq was done to search for Bin Laden.
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Jul 17, 2014 22:35
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Pafet posted:funny Well, glad to confirm you're Jewish anyway.
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Jul 17, 2014 22:55
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I wonder when Israel eventually goes the way of South Africa will all those defending it pretend they never did or act like bitter Afrikaners. Presumably when they try doing this to the Israeli Arab population. e: I thought you asked *when* it will go the way of South Africa.
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Jul 17, 2014 23:59
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achillesforever6 posted:Ugh how do I counter the argument that the Palestinians started all of this? Say that even if they did start it they didn't do anything close to murdering children indiscriminately.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:10
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I find it funny that apparently a reasonable punishment for Hamas members is for the IDF to "demolish their houses". As though that's a reasonable thing to do for literally anything instead of just finding them and capturing them.White1ce posted:Yeah they only got on school buses filled with children and blew themselves up. Oh and that part about them firing dozens of missiles every day at israeli citizens. You can probably leave those parts out. Which is still better than murdering children on a beach from the comfort of a ship.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:21
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FADEtoBLACK posted:The problem wasn't the bomb or the capability of the targeting device, they hit exactly what they were aiming at. The problem exists in faulty intel and human error. It sounds like the intel was accurate as well.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:43
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Abyss posted:The civilian to combatant death ratio during a conflict hasn't changed in centuries (greater or equal to 50%), not sure why people are surprised that it's still happening. There's a pretty big difference between a casualty rate of 50% and a casualty rate of 1000% though.
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Jul 18, 2014 00:46
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The demographics issue is specifically related to Israeli Arabs. Israel doesn't want the Palestinians breeding because they want the land.
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Jul 18, 2014 02:55
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Lum_ posted:America is more right-wing than Europe (by a ridiculously large margin - the Tories and the Democrats are basically identical) and many Americans are reflexively anti-Arab/anti-Muslim which Israeli propagandists play off of masterfully. It is VERY hard to get the average American to sympathize with Israeli suppression of Palestinians, even when it's pointed out that a significant minority of Palestinians are Christian - apparently being "white" and saying the right things in sound bites trumps living in Bethlehem and trying to keep Christ's manger maintained. On the other hand, the issues Israel is having (maintaining an ethnically "pure" state) are more better mirrored in European nations than in the US.
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Jul 18, 2014 04:33
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Lum_ posted:The average American is absolutely not uncomfortable with the native American genocide, because thanks to our educational system they're not really aware that it happened and resent angry activists trying to rename wackily racist names of sports teams. The only people who are mad about the Redskins thing (mad at the activists anyway) are residents of Virginia.
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Jul 18, 2014 04:40
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PT6A posted:I can't help but be pissed off at Israel's bullshit, beyond the obvious reasons, for making it seem like supporting Hamas is the better option. I mean, Jesus Christ on a loving cracker, how do you make a bunch of people who were doing suicide bombings less than a decade ago seem like the good guys? You make them an allegory in Battlestar Galactica?
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Jul 18, 2014 06:32
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Hollismason posted:I thought the end result and the one no one mentions is that the only way we'll have peace in the Middle East is through multiple genocides? There will never be any sort of real peace in that region ever. It's not the only method, just the most likely. The other way is severe economic investment in the region so that the state apparatuses are strong and people respect the rule of law. Then when they confrontational you break them down and reform their society, Japan post WW2 style (though hopefully sans nukes). It's very unlikely though because as it stands the Middle Eastern economies are based around resource extraction rather than actually making stuff and resource extraction economies historically have been poor and weak (eg, the Ottomans or Russia in the 19th Century).
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Jul 18, 2014 17:23
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Those Hamas members are drawn exactly the same as how Jewish caricatures would be drawn 100 years ago.
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Jul 18, 2014 17:46
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ekuNNN posted:In the charter you posted earlier it actually says exiling the zionists. You see, if Israel becomes anything but strictly Jewish and hostile to outsiders that counts as the destruction of Israel.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:02
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The concept of an eye for an eye is in the Talmund. Israelis can't even follow their own book correctly.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:28
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:When people talk about human shields, they don't mean civilians going "Hey, don't bomb us, we're civilians!". Well, the IDF does at least.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:41
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Literally the only way the Israeli campaign makes sense is if their real targets are the buildings and not the people. (This is the truth because it encourages people to leave)
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Jul 18, 2014 18:47
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Amgard posted:And go.... Where? Away.
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Jul 18, 2014 18:49
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Amgard posted:Funny thing about Gaza... Death is an option for "away".
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Jul 18, 2014 18:52
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treizebee posted:China being harder on Israel then we are. China prefers that you claim the territory before you try to displace the people within it.
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Jul 18, 2014 21:22
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Petey posted:Can anyone else confirm that Facebook has blocked people from sharing this Onion article in News Feed? http://www.theonion.com/articles/palestinians-prepare-for-massive-ground-invasion,36495/ It doesn't block it but it doesn't format it as a link (because there's a comma in the URL I think).
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Jul 18, 2014 22:02
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TLM3101 posted:To be fair, no US president can afford to give any fucks about Palestine. There are far too many lobbying-interests and political blocks devoted to ensure Israel's immunity from repercussions to make any US intervention a possibility. To be fair also Obama has criticized him: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/11/sarkozy-obama-dont-like-netanyahu-can-bad-diplomacy-change-history/248108/
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Jul 18, 2014 22:09
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L-Boned posted:However, groups like the PLO and Hamas would not be in power if there was not conflict so they benefit from keeping the status quo. Finally, we have some common ground between Hamas and the Israeli government.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:09
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L-Boned posted:Peace, expulsion of terrorist groups, leadership in government. Ironically, the desires of Palestinians and Israelis probably aren't that different. The governments, however.... Anyone the Palestinians elect are deemed terrorist groups.
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Jul 18, 2014 23:22
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illrepute posted:Looks like Obama might be on the verge of growing a spine. He already thinks Netanyahu is a dumb rear end in a top hat he just can't say it out loud.
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Jul 19, 2014 06:40
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vintagepurple posted:Just got a guy going "using children makes you a coward, Hamas loses all respect in my eyes." Does anyone have IDF human shield links saved? You could show them this: 
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Jul 19, 2014 16:25
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:and it's interesting to see as of 2012 it seemed like there was less and less support of Israel in the United States and among Liberal American Jewish people. It FEELS like the amount of support among Americans has only increased in the two years compared to last time, or is that just the propaganda machine working overtime? It's because there's an active conflict and obviously the only thing the media is going to report is about how Israel should defend itself.
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HortonNash posted:Great, now I fully expect the IDF to announce: If they remade Death Note but set in Palestine that would be moderately interesting.
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Jul 19, 2014 20:45
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