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Mr. Nice! posted:His dieting stuff does have some merit, but it's not anything different than what a lot of other people are saying. The thing is, most people don't have the willpower to stick to something so strict by themselves. When they hire a guy like Dolce, he takes over their diet entirely. He manages everything going in the fighter, which makes it pretty easy to ensure they're eating well and eating things that will aid in a cut. I used to work with a pro-natural body builder whose diet and cutting regimen was almost exactly what Dolce's was, but he had the willpower and drive to manage it himself with his wife which I'm guessing a lot of fighters don't. Most of it is pretty straightforward, too. I helped a friend hit a weight loss goal just by having her follow three weeks til shredded pretty loosely. The advice amounts to "plan your meals, don't eat poo poo, think twice about what you eat, and don't eat a retarded amount of food." I think that where he earns his keep is by taking over every dietary choice for the fighter so that they can't gently caress it up themselves by going to a carnival and eating a whole pizza. I suppose if a fighter is worried about missing weight, and he keeps them from doing that, he has essentially saved 20% (20%?) of their purse. If a fighter is worried about a horrible water weight cut that leaves them drained and at a greater risk of a loss, he's protecting 50% of their purse money. In either case it's superstitious reasoning, though. Some of the "research" that he posts on his website is just the worst kind of naturalistic fallacy-driven bullshit, though.
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We had Matt Hughes. We've got Brown Pride. When are we gonna get a real kill whitey kind of brotha in the octagon ?
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 15:08 |
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Hmmm. Eat good foods and stay away from bad ones. Well then, please give me your money. Thanks.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 15:47 |
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Quinton no, where did you find a jar of nutella that big
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 15:49 |
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Quinton no, where did you find a jar of nutella that big Rampage shoving his hand in a jar of nutella like Winnie the Pooh is a hilarious mental image.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:01 |
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outy posted:UFC Embedded Episode 1 is up Poll on best part of this: A) Machida making breakfast in his fight shorts B) Alexis' stepson's saxophone solo
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:07 |
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Rampage is the exact sort of guy to take the light snacks that Dolce suggests that you can have once per day and turn them into the only thing that he eats. If I remember right, this was during his Glover camp:
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:09 |
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Look, he said a 'light snack'. Have you ever held funnel cake? It's light as hell!
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:15 |
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I read one of his books and it was awful. No real "here's what you need to eat and why" just a "here's what I like to eat". A good nutrition book should explain not only what to eat but how much to eat and how to calculate everything.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:15 |
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Grilled chicken breasts can be tasty and filling as well as very nutritioQuinton where did you find a live rooster, quinton no it has a family
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:18 |
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Mike Dolce just gives guys drugs
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:21 |
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TheReverend posted:I read one of his books and it was awful. http://www.amazon.com/The-Feed-Zone-Cookbook-Flavorful/dp/1934030767 I realize you weren't exactly looking for recommendations, but I like this enough to suggest it unprompted. It is not designed for cutting weight (well, not really; it does discuss cyclists getting down to racing weight), but Allen Lim is a good dude and everything in there tastes good.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:21 |
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Anthony Johnson's diet of 10 Stacker 2 pills a day.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:26 |
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ChampRamp posted:Mike Dolce just gives guys drugs See, I've been wondering that lately between his crazy powerlifter background and his close ties with "trt for everyone" Sonnen and Rogan. I feel like some of the weight cuts and performance increases that he's been associated with can't be explained with coconut oil and egg white omelettes. Though I'm also straining to think of any fighter he's been promoted as embedding with who has shown a meaningful performance increase. Nik Lenz, despite the hype train, still strikes me as mediocre. Not sure when he started working with Hendricks and to what extent he can take credit for his successes.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:34 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:His dieting stuff does have some merit, but it's not anything different than what a lot of other people are saying. The thing is, most people don't have the willpower to stick to something so strict by themselves. When they hire a guy like Dolce, he takes over their diet entirely. He manages everything going in the fighter, which makes it pretty easy to ensure they're eating well and eating things that will aid in a cut. I used to work with a pro-natural body builder whose diet and cutting regimen was almost exactly what Dolce's was, but he had the willpower and drive to manage it himself with his wife which I'm guessing a lot of fighters don't. Not just that but dolce takes care of the food prep (if not personally than through a proxy). its so much easier to stick to it when the food is made and ready for you
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:41 |
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Plus he's such an enthusiastic guy
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:42 |
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I'll check it out. Right now the one I like is Nate Miyaki's "Samurai Diet". It has a lot of stuff I don't agree with (like that no one should eat gluten) but he at least gives his reasons and explains. Ok enough derail. Weidman gonna win it. For real.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:43 |
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TheReverend posted:I read one of his books and it was awful. If he gave enough of the specifics away in his book so that anyone could easily adapt it to their lives hed be putting himself out of business
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 16:44 |
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david carmichael posted:If he gave enough of the specifics away in his book so that anyone could easily adapt it to their lives hed be putting himself out of business I think at the elite level you'll likely need a customized individual approach. That's where his big fee comes into play. For the average amateur mma doofus/ fitness enthusiast, why have a book at all? I'll say one nice thing about his book though, the 'supafly chicken salad' is pretty tasty.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 17:03 |
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There's a lot of research about "decision fatigue", where the more difficult decisions you have to make during a given day the more likely you are to make the "wrong" choices. During a training camp fighters are already under a ton of stress and having to do a lot of difficult things in any given day, hiring someone to take everything related to food completely out of your hands so you don't have to think about it is probably a good investment. Dolce just happens to be a guy who's made it his niche.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 17:05 |
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fatherdog posted:There's a lot of research about "decision fatigue", where the more difficult decisions you have to make during a given day the more likely you are to make the "wrong" choices. During a training camp fighters are already under a ton of stress and having to do a lot of difficult things in any given day, hiring someone to take everything related to food completely out of your hands so you don't have to think about it is probably a good investment. Dolce just happens to be a guy who's made it his niche. Yeah, this is true. I also saw one study about willpower, where it was shown that you can quickly exhaust your willpower on one matter, and you won't have anything left for someone else, even if it's a completely different part of your life.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 17:15 |
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El Roncho posted:We had Matt Hughes. We've got Brown Pride. When are we gonna get a real kill whitey kind of brotha in the octagon ? If he doesn't gas terribly, Kevin Casey has a chance of beating up a dude named both "Bubba" and "Bush" at the same time. That's close, right?
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 17:28 |
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Quinton no, where did you find a jar of nutella that big haha
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 18:08 |
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Just started thinking about the Rousey-Davis matchup in detail: Davis is the highest-ranked grappler that Rousey has ever fought in MMA (Kaufman is and was a brown belt, blue belt Carmouche took her back), she's tough, and loves to trade leather. She's not likely to get folded with a knee the way McMann did, and Rousey (who doesn't react well to being punched) is probably not going to want to trade with her. Is Davis perhaps more of a live long-shot underdog than the odds are giving her credit for?
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 18:56 |
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Knee injury scratches Thiago Alves from UFC Fight Night 49, Brandon Thatch now faces Jordan Mein other than the obvious "lol water is wet" in reference to Alves... , BECAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT DIE IN THIS FIGHT
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:24 |
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7 fights in 5 years... I feel bad for the guy.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:29 |
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CommonShore posted:Just started thinking about the Rousey-Davis matchup in detail: Davis is the highest-ranked grappler that Rousey has ever fought in MMA (Kaufman is and was a brown belt, blue belt Carmouche took her back), she's tough, and loves to trade leather. She's not likely to get folded with a knee the way McMann did, and Rousey (who doesn't react well to being punched) is probably not going to want to trade with her. Unless Davis has a Matt Brown ability to fight through a liver shot, I don't think there's evidence in saying Alexis wouldn't get dropped like McMann. I like her and I like her tiny mascot buddy, Chompers, but I still think Ronda's probably got a 80% chance of winning. Also, why would you not count Tate amongst the grapplers Rousey has faced?
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:38 |
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david carmichael posted:If he gave enough of the specifics away in his book so that anyone could easily adapt it to their lives hed be putting himself out of business Dolce claims in one of his books that he had the 'revolutionary' idea to eat a lot of good, healthy, nutritious food while he was training intensely in powerlifting, wrestling, and MMA. In doing so, he was able to easily cut to whatever weight class without any kind of fatigue or performance loss, as opposed to his teammates that were starving themselves. Here's my grocery list from last month: That'll be $35, please. But I agree with fatherdog, his niche is taking the food decision making off the table so it's less stress and worry for the fighter.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:41 |
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LobsterMobster posted:Unless Davis has a Matt Brown ability to fight through a liver shot, I don't think there's evidence in saying Alexis wouldn't get dropped like McMann. Didn't count Tate because I didn't see it listed anywhere that she actually has any belt in BJJ. With a bit more effort I found that she has a purple belt. A far cry (on paper) from Davis's black belt. I'm not sure if Davis can be compared to Matt Brown, but McMann isn't exactly Matt Brown either, and Rousey isn't Erik Silva. Davis has certainly better demonstrated that she can keep her poo poo together while taking shots, which I've never seen McMann do (though I haven't seen all of her fights).
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-Atom- posted:UFC Fight Night 49, Brandon Thatch now faces Jordan Mein Speaking of someone dying in a fight on that card, how come nobody told me Mike Pyle is fighting Demian Maia that night too? That's a very dangerous fight for Maia if he gasses again cause Mike Pyle becomes a mother loving animal the longer a fight goes on. I salute UFC making these Benson Henderson free TV cards always stacked.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:46 |
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Agent Tough Juice posted:7 fights in 5 years... I feel bad for the guy. Someday Rogan will unmask him in a post-fight interview to reveal Dominick Cruz
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Bubba Smith posted:Speaking of someone dying in a fight on that card, how come nobody told me Mike Pyle is fighting Demian Maia that night too? That's a very dangerous fight for Maia if he gasses again cause Mike Pyle becomes a mother loving animal the longer a fight goes on. I took a gander at that Fight Night card when the Thatch replacement came in and yeah, it's surprisingly an above average card. Somehow I missed the Maia announcement too, or maybe it's just a symptom of all this got dang MMA we can't even retain cool rear end matchups like that one.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:48 |
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-Atom- posted:I took a gander at that Fight Night card when the Thatch replacement came in and yeah, it's surprisingly an above average card. I think it was just announced today.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 19:53 |
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I had no idea thatch was fighting alves and am now sad it's not going to happen.
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 23:17 |
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CommonShore posted:Didn't count Tate because I didn't see it listed anywhere that she actually has any belt in BJJ. With a bit more effort I found that she has a purple belt. A far cry (on paper) from Davis's black belt. Belt rankings are at best a vague guide to grappling ability for MMA, cf. Pettis-Henderson II. Tate is a very good grappler with about as many submission wins over credible competition as Davis. edit: also I had to look for this information but Genki Sudo was a brown belt the whole time he was competing in MMA. quote:I'm not sure if Davis can be compared to Matt Brown, but McMann isn't exactly Matt Brown either, and Rousey isn't Erik Silva. Davis has certainly better demonstrated that she can keep her poo poo together while taking shots, which I've never seen McMann do (though I haven't seen all of her fights). Getting dropped by a liver shot has nothing to do with toughness. Donald Cerrone ate over 200 significant strikes in three rounds with Nate Diaz, but he was still fighting back effectively to the final bell. He's a very, very tough fighter. Anthony Pettis stopped him inside one round by landing a series of body kicks to the right side of his body--the first few killed his offensive output, and the last one landed flush to the liver and turned off his body just like flipping a switch. If Davis is unfortunate enough to wind up in the same position McMann was in, she'll drop and probably be finished in the same way. The possibility should definitely worry Davis, since if Rousey decides she wants to do that rather than going for throws, I'm not sure Davis has any tools to stop her. Schenck v. U.S. fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Dangersim posted:I had no idea thatch was fighting alves and am now sad it's not going to happen. Thatch vs Mein probably owns even more
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# ? Jul 3, 2014 00:23 |
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Dangersim posted:I had no idea thatch was fighting alves and am now sad it's not going to happen. He wasn't. Thatch is the replacement for Alves.
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# ? Jul 3, 2014 00:30 |
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Aldo injured lol Just reported on UFC Tonight. Nothing else has been reported yet on what they are gonna do
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# ? Jul 3, 2014 01:04 |
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EricHall posted:Aldo injured lol Son of a BITCH
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That loving sucks
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