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Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

Evil Mastermind posted:

So apparently the D&D Basic set has a "thank you" to RPGPundit at the end. I don't have screenshots but Adam Keobel mentioned it on G+.





Seriously, gently caress this hobby.
Seriously, why can't people just stop pretending he has anything worthwhile to say? At his very best, he's finding needlessly vitriolic ways to say stuff that you can find being said by other people who aren't utter shitheels.

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Ettin
Oct 2, 2010
I dunno man, somehow I get the feeling that WotC namedropping an aging racist in exchange for playtesting and advertising is not a meaningful or long-lasting relationship. :v:

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 19, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.
Maybe July will finally be the month I get off my butt and create a DUST thread.

gnome7
Oct 21, 2010

Who's this Little
Spaghetti?? ??

Kellsterik posted:

Princess Tutu (プリンセスチュチュ Purinsesu Chuchu) is a metafictional, ballet-themed magical girl, dramatic-musical anime series

Yes. It is also a series where (Serious, major spoilers:) faerie tales are real and anything anyone writes down becomes the truth, which is why anyone with the ability to write gets their hands cut off.

Everything in the first half of the show is about how the characters are literally puppets dancing on a string - the hero only saves the day because she's supposed to, tragedy strikes because its more interesting that way, and the prince becomes a puppet of the ravens because the local author thinks its hilarious, and all of this causes a major identity crises in half the cast, along with some serious attempts at breaking reality to get away from this rear end in a top hat's view of how stories should be. Ergo,

ProfessorCirno posted:

Princess Tutu is amazing.

EDIT: vvv sorry. Princess Tutu is important.

gnome7 fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 3, 2014

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
Speaking as someone who watches probably too much anime, I move we stop talking about anime and start talking about the prospective Retrocausality Kickstarter instead. I never got around to playing it, but I really want to - is it as much fun as it looks?

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

ProfessorProf posted:

Speaking as someone who watches probably too much anime, I move we stop talking about anime and start talking about the prospective Retrocausality Kickstarter instead. I never got around to playing it, but I really want to - is it as much fun as it looks?

Sorta bad news: After much discussion, I've decided to run Breakfast Cult instead before the Fate bubble bursts, and Retrocausality after.

I mean it's still happening, but you're probably looking at Q4 2014 now. :shobon:

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
Oh well. What's Breakfast Cult about, anyway?

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010
It's a FAE game about cosmic horror and high school anime mysteries I made for a different design contest. The contest was here and there's a pbp here; I'm about to sleep so someone else can probably put it better. :v:

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

But how many people that play d and d will read even a single word of that dude's opinions

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Paolomania posted:

So ... how-literary-critics-see-themselves the game?

How Tropers see themselves The Game

Darth Various
Oct 23, 2010

Evil Mastermind posted:

So apparently the D&D Basic set has a "thank you" to RPGPundit at the end. I don't have screenshots but Adam Keobel mentioned it on G+.

So, do they call him "RPGPundit" or use his real name?

Edit: vvv Hah!

Darth Various fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 3, 2014

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Darth Various posted:

So, do they call him "RPGPundit" or use his real name?

I'm not downloading it to find out, but apparently it's RPGPundit. Because we all know how he feels about his real name.

Krabkolash
Dec 7, 2006

With this hand I rolled 8d20



AND GOT 160.
Also Zak S.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

Oh yeah, I forgot about him too.

So that's two people who've publicly said they hope people "like me" will die or commit suicide in the credits.

e:

Evil Mastermind fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 3, 2014

Spincut
Jan 14, 2008

Oh! OSHA gonna make you serve time!
'Cause you an occupational hazard tonight.
Wow, I'm kind of amazed that WotC still has the same website layout from...4e's release?

jadarx
May 25, 2012

Evil Mastermind posted:

I'm not downloading it to find out, but apparently it's RPGPundit. Because we all know how he feels about his real name.

Here's the exact block for those who don't want to download
Additional consultation provided by
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Evil Mastermind posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about him too.

So that's two people who've publicly said they hope people "like me" will die or commit suicide in the credits.

dnd being as classy as ever, really

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

jadarx posted:

Here's the exact block for those who don't want to download
Additional consultation provided by
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S

Wasn't there even more freelancers involved?

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Evil Mastermind posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about him too.

So that's two people who've publicly said they hope people "like me" will die or commit suicide in the credits.

e:


Looks like Detect Evil works after all am i rite

Mormon Star Wars
Aug 13, 2005
It's a minotaur race...

Ettin posted:

I'm trying to decide if I should launch the Retrocausality Kickstarter first or Breakfast Cult (my FAE cosmic horror/high-school-kids-murdering-each-other game). :negative:

Retrocausality already has great reviews and a potential audience base (and is already finished), it might be good to kickstart that one so you can put the improved version on sale.

Gau
Nov 18, 2003

I don't think you understand, Gau.
Yeah, it has an Ennie under its belt. Willen-wol-have.

DocBubonic
Mar 11, 2003

Tempora mutantur, et nos mutamur in illis

Davin Valkri posted:

I like how you capitalize "Bishie" like it's some kind of title or position, like all parties should have a "Bishie" as they have a "Rogue" or "Wizard".

Also I just realized the weirdest part of the second "rescue". The person he was trying to save from the gunfire didn't get hit once. Were they just not aiming for her or does my bad luck with FATE dice carry over to GURPS ones?

Only the good parties have a Bishie.

The Nazi was firing at about hip level, which would mean the bullets went over her. Also I did roll that another character was hit, but since he didn't sacrifice his defense, he dodged.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

Evil Mastermind posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about him too.

So that's two people who've publicly said they hope people "like me" will die or commit suicide in the credits.

e:


Who's Zak S.? I know the Pundit is a retard who says some incredibly vague bullshit about "storygames" (which I still don't know what the gently caress that is), but not that dude.

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
Porn mogul turned grognard lord.

Gau
Nov 18, 2003

I don't think you understand, Gau.

SunAndSpring posted:

Who's Zak S.? I know the Pundit is a retard who says some incredibly vague bullshit about "storygames" (which I still don't know what the gently caress that is), but not that dude.

First I need to know if we can agree on what the word who means in regards to identification of a person?

Gau fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jul 3, 2014

TheSoundNinja
May 18, 2012

Actually, what is the story behind RPGPundit? I've never heard of him, somehow. Is it because he's just an AVGN but for RPGs, or is it because I am a member of some storytelling cult?

Tulul
Oct 23, 2013

THAT SOUND WILL FOLLOW ME TO HELL.

TheSoundNinja posted:

Actually, what is the story behind RPGPundit? I've never heard of him, somehow. Is it because he's just an AVGN but for RPGs, or is it because I am a member of some storytelling cult?

He's a relatively prominent OSR dude who gets mad about people playing things that aren't D&D as God and Gary Gygax intended it. Calls people "swine" a lot because he read a lot of Hunter S. Thompson and hasn't realized that trying to write like Hunter S. Thompson is a terrible idea and as mentioned is kind of weird about telling people his real name. He's not worth paying attention to in any way, although you can find something by him if you really want by skimming grognards.txt for thirty seconds.

Also, I completely stopped paying attention to Next a year or two back, is it still them desperately trying to backpedal on everything they accomplished in 4E to get that sweet Pathfinder money, or did they get over that?

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

SunAndSpring posted:

Who's Zak S.? I know the Pundit is a retard who says some incredibly vague bullshit about "storygames" (which I still don't know what the gently caress that is), but not that dude.
He does the D&D With Porn Stars blog. His tastes in RPGs are kind of old-school but also just eccentric, but the major thing is that he's one of those people who's completely oblivious if not actively in denial of the fact that the way he communicates is just way off from how a normal person acts, both in terms of acting like an rear end in a top hat and using bizarro world nega-logic. He's gotten banned from most every RPG forum that does anything at all in the way of banning people. Someone thought it would be fun to buy him an SA forum membership, and IIRC he lasted less than a day. RPGnet put up with him for longer, but even though Ettin put together a very clear explanation for his ban, Zak still doesn't seem to understand why it happened. He and Pundit/Tarnowski are two really toxic people, and if you strip the toxicity away you're left with fairly unremarkable people who everyone could safely ignore.

"Storygames": A guy named Ron Edwards started a forum called The Forge to encourage people to independently publish RPGs and to discuss what makes RPGs tick. The resulting community had its good and bad points (which are closer to the good and bad of general gamers than anyone wants to believe), but it did produce a bunch of nifty little games, many of which challenged traditional RPG design trends. People sometimes called these "indie" RPGs, which was always a vague way to do it. The term "story games" was originally a term that designer Clinton R. Nixon came up with as an umbrella term for RPGs and other games that involve story stuff (like Once Upon a Time say), but Andy Kitkowski used it as the name of a forum he started as a sort of companion to The Forge for more casual discussion of games and such. The Forge has since closed because Ron felt that it had accomplished everything he'd set out to do with it (Ron is a weird guy), but Story Games is still around and one of the main centers of that community. Some of the designers who were prominent with the Forge are still around and making games (like Vincent Baker and Ben Lehman, and Ron Edwards is still making his own weird little games), some have worked in the industry proper (hence the Cortex Plus games), some have gone on to work in video games and such, others have dropped out of tabletop RPG publishing, and plenty of new people are making new games while drawing inspiration from the earlier games. "Story games" is every bit as arbitrary of a label as "indie RPGs," but it's what people have started using. There are indie/story games that are hard to really call RPGs (Parsely, Universalis, etc.), but they're the exception to the rule unless you're a rabid RPG traditionalist.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011
They still, vainly, think 5e will sell as well as 3.5. Everything looks like it's going to do well, but only 4e well, and therefore fail in the eyes of Hasbro.

Gau
Nov 18, 2003

I don't think you understand, Gau.
Tarnowski (Pundit) literally believes that there is a socialist feminist conspiracy to stop people from playing Dungeons & Dragons in favor of storygames (which he maintains are not RPGs because immersion).

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

Guilty Spork posted:

He does the D&D With Porn Stars blog. His tastes in RPGs are kind of old-school but also just eccentric, but the major thing is that he's one of those people who's completely oblivious if not actively in denial of the fact that the way he communicates is just way off from how a normal person acts, both in terms of acting like an rear end in a top hat and using bizarro world nega-logic. He's gotten banned from most every RPG forum that does anything at all in the way of banning people. Someone thought it would be fun to buy him an SA forum membership, and IIRC he lasted less than a day. RPGnet put up with him for longer, but even though Ettin put together a very clear explanation for his ban, Zak still doesn't seem to understand why it happened. He and Pundit/Tarnowski are two really toxic people, and if you strip the toxicity away you're left with fairly unremarkable people who everyone could safely ignore.

"Storygames": A guy named Ron Edwards started a forum called The Forge to encourage people to independently publish RPGs and to discuss what makes RPGs tick. The resulting community had its good and bad points (which are closer to the good and bad of general gamers than anyone wants to believe), but it did produce a bunch of nifty little games, many of which challenged traditional RPG design trends. People sometimes called these "indie" RPGs, which was always a vague way to do it. The term "story games" was originally a term that designer Clinton R. Nixon came up with as an umbrella term for RPGs and other games that involve story stuff (like Once Upon a Time say), but Andy Kitkowski used it as the name of a forum he started as a sort of companion to The Forge for more casual discussion of games and such. The Forge has since closed because Ron felt that it had accomplished everything he'd set out to do with it (Ron is a weird guy), but Story Games is still around and one of the main centers of that community. Some of the designers who were prominent with the Forge are still around and making games (like Vincent Baker and Ben Lehman, and Ron Edwards is still making his own weird little games), some have worked in the industry proper (hence the Cortex Plus games), some have gone on to work in video games and such, others have dropped out of tabletop RPG publishing, and plenty of new people are making new games while drawing inspiration from the earlier games. "Story games" is every bit as arbitrary of a label as "indie RPGs," but it's what people have started using. There are indie/story games that are hard to really call RPGs (Parsely, Universalis, etc.), but they're the exception to the rule unless you're a rabid RPG traditionalist.

So why does the Pundit thinks that a bunch of obscure semi-RPGs are somehow going to take over mainstream tabletop gaming?

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Guilty Spork posted:

He does the D&D With Porn Stars blog. His tastes in RPGs are kind of old-school but also just eccentric, but the major thing is that he's one of those people who's completely oblivious if not actively in denial of the fact that the way he communicates is just way off from how a normal person acts, both in terms of acting like an rear end in a top hat and using bizarro world nega-logic.

There is also the part where he's relentlessly hostile to people who argue against misogyny, racism, transphobia and homophobia in the RPG industry, and uses his followers to organise harassment campaigns against those people.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

DocBubonic posted:

Moral of the story is that GURPS combat can be lethal.

The last GURPS game I was in involved a demonic wolverine latching onto my character's groin because I forgot to buy armor that explicitly provided protection to that area, nearly killing my character in the first fight.

GURPS.

Mormon Star Wars
Aug 13, 2005
It's a minotaur race...

Tulul posted:

He's a relatively prominent OSR dude who gets mad about people playing things that aren't D&D as God and Gary Gygax intended it.

TO BE FAIR he hates the OSR, being the one that coined the term "OSR Taliban" to refer to those terrorists that won't move on to the new edition of D&D. :smaug:

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

It should be pointed out too that Mearls is a fan of Pundit's blog. So there's that.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

I played in a similar game but it was two chaos wolverines one of which melted into an acid puddle and the other of which exploded.

GURPS.

gnome7
Oct 21, 2010

Who's this Little
Spaghetti?? ??

NutritiousSnack posted:

They still, vainly, think 5e will sell as well as 3.5. Everything looks like it's going to do well, but only 4e well, and therefore fail in the eyes of Hasbro.

I really, really doubt that Next will sell as well as 4E did during its lifetime. I'd even Toxx myself that it won't, but that'd be disingenuous since 4E's specific sales numbers are completely unknown and Next's likely will be too.

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

Evil Mastermind posted:

It should be pointed out too that Mearls is a fan of Pundit's blog. So there's that.

How can you be a fan of Pundit? Like, legitimately, I am curious. What particular facet of his giant rambling posts that don't go anywhere is engaging enough for someone to go "wow, I should read more of these!"

I mean for God's sake I can't even get to the end of one, I cannot fathom the sort of mind that would regularly read them. You'd have to be the kind of person who'd find enjoyment in going through an endless parade of boring, poorly-written text that- oh right, Mearls designed 5e, well I guess that kinda explains that.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Captain Foo posted:

I played in a similar game but it was two chaos wolverines one of which melted into an acid puddle and the other of which exploded.

GURPS.

This is the game I was talking about, RIP Tairn's Dungeon Fantasy

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whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:

Fuego Fish posted:

How can you be a fan of Pundit? Like, legitimately, I am curious. What particular facet of his giant rambling posts that don't go anywhere is engaging enough for someone to go "wow, I should read more of these!"

I mean for God's sake I can't even get to the end of one, I cannot fathom the sort of mind that would regularly read them. You'd have to be the kind of person who'd find enjoyment in going through an endless parade of boring, poorly-written text that- oh right, Mearls designed 5e, well I guess that kinda explains that.

Maybe you're a fan of people blending pipe tobacco?

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