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Depends on how much he was donating and had set aside to be donated in trust after death doesn't it? Wikipedia says he gave over $300 million to various conservative groups but also that the number is from 2002. This article has some numbers from 2009 saying its more like over $600 million adjusted for inflation. Sounds like most of his influence was during the 70's, 80's and 90's according to that article and the wiki though he did give millions to the Tea Party too. Its good he is gone finally but given people he supported and the things they did I wish it'd happened earlier.
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Vahakyla posted:What are things the Democratic Party and the Republican Party agree on? Are there some? Corn subsidies! Obama has thought about reducing the subsidies for putting corn in food but increasing the subsidies for corn-based ethanol, a similarly terrible policy, but the Republicans didn't go for it. One of my favourite pieces of political satire from the SCP Foundation is the one that says the real reason for America's corn policy is to please Srqnabotf, Maize God. The government knows we're on the verge of a corn Rapture, where everyone's fate in the afterlife is based on the amount of corn they grew, ate, and used in life.
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Jul 4, 2014 15:12
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BiggerBoat posted:You should cross post this in the Right Wing Media thread. Maybe find a similar graphic reporting on unemployment when Bush was in office. There was unemployment during Bush's term? That doesn't sound right, it was the time before America died to Barack Hussein Obama, the golden age of prosperity. 
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I don't think anyone mentioned Israel policy, the D/R differences are largely a matter of degree.
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quote:Richard Mellon Scaife, the Pittsburgh philanthropist and reclusive heir to the Mellon banking fortune, whose support for right-wing causes laid the foundations for America’s modern conservative movement and fueled the 1998 impeachment of President Bill Clinton, died on Friday. He was 82. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7gnMSzf_c
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Your only choices are R or D every election and it's going to stay that way forever. Actually my House choices are between the Republican incumbent and an independent teabagger. Dems didn't even try and the libertarian didn't get enough signatures 
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Corn subsidies! Obama has thought about reducing the subsidies for putting corn in food but increasing the subsidies for corn-based ethanol, a similarly terrible policy, but the Republicans didn't go for it. Yeah, the HFCS thing is pseudoscientific nonsense, but corn policies are pretty dumb just on a practical level. And about the only thing that makes it dumber is argument of "I know, I know! We shouldn't feed the corn to poor people. We should burn the corn instead."
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Jul 4, 2014 15:31
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Happy 4th of July from Brandon, Florida.  
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Jul 4, 2014 15:48
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Mo_Steel posted:There was unemployment during Bush's term? That doesn't sound right, it was the time before America died to Barack Hussein Obama, the golden age of prosperity. Every graph of the Bush years shows fairly stagnant unemployment right up to 2007-2008 and then an almost vertical ramp up. Then in 2009 the Obama's stimulus package went into effect and the unemployment rate slowly moves back down. This of course is using the unemployment rate that currently is at 6.1 
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Warcabbit posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/us/richard-mellon-scaife-influential-us-conservative-dies-at-82.html What was the guy's obsession with Clinton, anyway?
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Depends on how much he was donating and had set aside to be donated in trust after death doesn't it? Wikipedia says he gave over $300 million to various conservative groups but also that the number is from 2002. This article has some numbers from 2009 saying its more like over $600 million adjusted for inflation. Personally I'm just hoping that without him around to subsidize it, his local newspaper goes under so I don't have to look at its ugly styling or blatantly conservative editorial pages.
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Warcabbit posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/us/richard-mellon-scaife-influential-us-conservative-dies-at-82.html Assuming their heirs aren't just as bad. I'd rather that one of the conservative justices died though as that'd have a much more meaningful impact for the US. It'd also be awesome to see the Senate go nuclear to appoint an Obama nominee before the end of the year unless they manage to hold on to the majority. Ballz posted:Happy 4th of July from Brandon, Florida. poo poo like this needs to be illegal. Freedom of Speech is cool and all but that really shouldn't cover glorifying treason and secession just as it doesn't cover plotting to murder someone. We really need a national "gently caress the Confederacy" day.
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Evil Fluffy posted:poo poo like this needs to be illegal. Freedom of Speech is cool and all but that really shouldn't cover glorifying treason and secession just as it doesn't cover plotting to murder someone. George Washington committed armed treason against His Royal Majesty George III. Why do you hate America? 
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Jul 4, 2014 17:39
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made of bees posted:George Washington committed armed treason against His Royal Majesty George III. Why do you hate America? Intercontinental independence and establishing an anti-Monarchist Republic is very different from seceding to create an empire based on slave-labor.
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Evil Fluffy posted:We really need a national "gently caress the Confederacy" day. February 8th would be a good day. February is National Black History Month and the 8th is William Tecumseh Sherman's birthday.  quote:Sherman summed up the goal of his military maneuvers in grim terms: "We cannot change the hearts of those people, but we can make war so terrible...[and] make them so sick of war that generations would pass away before they would again appeal to it." Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Ballz posted:Happy 4th of July from Brandon, Florida. poo poo like this makes living on the other side other side of the bay worth it. I left south Georgia for a reason, goddammit.
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Jul 4, 2014 17:43
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Mo_Steel posted:February 8th would be a good day. February is National Black History Month and the 8th is William Tecumseh Sherman's birthday. I like this idea. Everyone, mark your calenders!
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Evil Fluffy posted:poo poo like this needs to be illegal. Freedom of Speech is cool and all but that really shouldn't cover glorifying treason and secession just as it doesn't cover plotting to murder someone. We really need a national "gently caress the Confederacy" day. It should be August 20th and we can call it "Starting a Fight You Can't Win Day"
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McDowell posted:Intercontinental independence and establishing an anti-Monarchist Republic is very different from seceding to create an empire based on slave-labor. I wasn't being entirely serious, I thought those two sentences out of context were kinda funny on a day commemorating the signing of a document that was basically a confession of treason. But in seriousness, talking about how the Confederacy was treason is good for trolling flag-waving morons who are also Neo-Confederates, but it's really weird to me how otherwise reasonable people will start talking about treason in a way that I normally associate with Teabaggers. The Confederates weren't bad because ~treason~, they were bad because they started a war over to defend their right to own other human beings as livestock.
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^^But the War of Northern Aggression wasn't about slavery. It was about states rights!  ^^Bel Shazar posted:It should be August 20th and we can call it "Starting a Fight You Can't Win Day" Why August 20th?
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McDowell posted:Intercontinental independence and establishing an anti-Monarchist Republic is very different from seceding to create an empire based on slave-labor. Funnily enough, I've seen people on this forum (including you, iirc) saying that the US is both of those.
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Bel Shazar posted:It should be August 20th and we can call it "Starting a Fight You Can't Win Day" Or how about a giant celebration that lasts from Aug 20 to Feb 8? Like Lent but we spend the time remembering how much of a bunch of gently caress heads they were/are?
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Ballz posted:Happy 4th of July from Brandon, Florida. You fuckers lost, you don't get to celebrate independence.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:01
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made of bees posted:I wasn't being entirely serious, I thought those two sentences out of context were kinda funny on a day commemorating the signing of a document that was basically a confession of treason. But tea-baggers are treasonous.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:You fuckers lost, you don't get to celebrate independence. It's more celebrating a culture than anything. It's kind of a stupid culture ("Yeah we'll TOTALLY REBEL AGAIN, just you wait and see!") all told but it's basically "no, gently caress YOU dad!" all rolled up into a bizarre subculture. It's often most strongly adopted by people that really don't understand things like "self-awareness" or "analyzing anything." Or irony. One of the most perplexing people I've ever known was a guy that had a tattoo of a skull wearing a rebel flag. He was very proud of it, said he designed it himself, and it was indicative of how much of a rebel he was. This was a guy that was a career police officer, in the National Guard, wasn't originally from the south, and lived a significant portion of his adult life on the coast of California. Yyyyyyup. Total rebel. I've met a lot of people that wore/owned/displayed rebel flags and they've all been pretty similar. There isn't much chance they'll ever be actual rebels and almost all of them vote Republican and screech about "traditional American values." Yeah. Totally rebellious.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:09
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Berke Negri posted:But tea-baggers are treasonous. So was John Brown.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's more celebrating a culture than anything. It's kind of a stupid culture ("Yeah we'll TOTALLY REBEL AGAIN, just you wait and see!") all told but it's basically "no, gently caress YOU dad!" all rolled up into a bizarre subculture. It's often most strongly adopted by people that really don't understand things like "self-awareness" or "analyzing anything." Or irony. One of the most effective things in terms of image the Republicans have done is paint the established order as "liberal", thus conservatives get to be the cool rebels and underdogs fighting the man.
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made of bees posted:So was John Brown. John brown is America's greatest hero and I shall hear no such slander.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:John brown is America's greatest hero and I shall hear no such slander. Right, and he's a hero because of the treason he committed, which is why saying we should ban the celebration of treason is stupid.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's more celebrating a culture than anything. It's kind of a stupid culture ("Yeah we'll TOTALLY REBEL AGAIN, just you wait and see!") all told but it's basically "no, gently caress YOU dad!" all rolled up into a bizarre subculture. It's often most strongly adopted by people that really don't understand things like "self-awareness" or "analyzing anything." Or irony. Rebel flag/confederacy love and identification is a weird thing. I work with a dude who's mom is Brooklyn-born Jewish and he's got a rebel flag tattoo. Florida is a very strange place and the news stories you hear about the crazies don't go nearly far enough towards showing that.
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made of bees posted:Right, and he's a hero because of the treason he committed, which is why saying we should ban the celebration of treason is stupid. How did John Brown commit treason?
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July 3 was the day Lee was defeated at Gettysburg and July 4 was the day Vicksburg fell. Those two defeats pretty much broke the Confederacy's back. We can definitely celebrate the North's triumph in July y'all 
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Stultus Maximus posted:How did John Brown commit treason? Well technically attacking a government arsenal with the aim of launching a rebellion would be considered treason. To anyone not bound to definitions of words, he simply realized what had to be done before the rest of the country.
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Stultus Maximus posted:How did John Brown commit treason?
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Stultus Maximus posted:How did John Brown commit treason? quote:Brown was charged with murdering four whites and a black, with conspiring with slaves to rebel, and with treason against Virginia. [...] After his raid on Harper's Ferry.
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Hey, if farting on a poster of King George is treason, an armed insurrection certainly is. 
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Ofaloaf posted:Seizing a federal arsenal, firing on troops and attempting to incite a general revolt isn't treasonous? Yes but it was against literal slaveowners so john brown tends to get a pass.
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Discendo Vox posted:Funnily enough, I've seen people on this forum (including you, iirc) saying that the US is both of those. 70% good 30% bad The CSA has the ratio flipped.
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Swan Oat posted:July 3 was the day Lee was defeated at Gettysburg and July 4 was the day Vicksburg fell. Those two defeats pretty much broke the Confederacy's back. We can definitely celebrate the North's triumph in July y'all May the South never rise again, traitorous bastards.
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Yea, legally speaking he did commit pretty serious treason, morally speaking nah he was pretty well on the good path there.
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