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I was banned from posting on Washington Times after calling John Wayne a wife beating draft dodging drug abusing blowhard in the comments section there. So not a paper big on the truth...
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Jul 4, 2014 11:09
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Delete Games and replace YOSPOS with LF
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Jul 4, 2014 11:18
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thehustler posted:Hello, I am not from America but it certainly seemed that the Republican congress have been trying to stall everything Obama has been trying to do but then says he's not achieved anything. It's typical short-term thinking in order to win the next election rather than trying to actually change your country for the better. I don't know if there's ever a term limit that's "balanced", and this isn't an argument for totalitarianism, but it's basically an infinite campaign season where poo poo never gets done because as soon as you get elected, the first thing you do is to start pandering to your constituency to win the next election. Which would be great if the constituency was in favor of nice things, but jfc the Tea Party.
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Jul 4, 2014 12:45
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Some more post modern tunes for you, OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_VTfrF6TWU
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Jul 4, 2014 12:53
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I think it's not all that useful comparing the current opinion people have on Obama with their opinions they now hold years after the fact regarding other presidents. For all we know they might just as well mellow out in their attitude towards Obama depending on who the next president becomes.  [Also full disclosure, as a filthy foreigner I think the worst president was Truman closely followed by Clinton. Obama is merely in the running for third.]
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Jul 4, 2014 12:59
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Randler posted:I think it's not all that useful comparing the current opinion people have on Obama with their opinions they now hold years after the fact regarding other presidents. For all we know they might just as well mellow out in their attitude towards Obama depending on who the next president becomes. how in the world is your answer not reagan or jackson or bush
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Jul 4, 2014 13:09
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wheez the roux posted:how in the world is your answer not reagan or jackson or bush Because Nukes.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:10
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The TV show "The Tyrant" is about an Arab man who works in America as a successful Paediatrician before reluctantly returning home to his family who are the ruling dynasty of a Middle Eastern Nation. He is slowly seduced by the evils of absolute power. The man's name? Barry.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:14
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wheez the roux posted:how in the world is your answer not reagan or jackson or bush Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:27
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computer parts posted:Because Nukes. Including the firebombings since Apr-1945 would probably make Truman's bodycount insurmountable, but wouldn't one of the Vietnam-era Presidents have a higher total than the two atomic bombs? Nixon or LBJ? Randler posted:Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president. I'd say that American domestic policy still matters to a foreigner insofar as its influence on everywhere else. Neoliberalism and conservatism can transcend borders.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:28
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Randler posted:Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president. You might want to look at Reagan's foreign policy re: South America, the Middle East, water rights everywhere and his drastic increase in defense spending that heated up the Cold War among other things. I mean its really nice that Germany got reunited later on but its probably not the only metric to judge his foreign policy by.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:34
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Truman is the worst because the Marshall Plan didn't really work guys.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:35
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'd say that American domestic policy still matters to a foreigner insofar as its influence on everywhere else. Neoliberalism and conservatism can transcend borders. Yeah, I mean the United States government spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the 50s exporting its businesses and culture wherever it could (which makes the whole idea of free market no government business hilarious) including its racial politics, so to think that American domestic policy has no impact on people's lives outside the US is nuts. Also I'm sure someone has mentioned this but sitting presidents are always the worst president. Remember when Bush II compared himself to Truman because they had similar approval ratings while in office? Yeah.
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Jul 4, 2014 13:40
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Randler posted:Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president. 
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Jul 4, 2014 14:00
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I mean its really nice that Germany got reunited later on but its probably not the only metric to judge his foreign policy by. I guess it's not just Americans that are gently caress You, Got Mine, eh? 
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Jul 4, 2014 14:11
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Randler posted:Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president. Dunno, the Reagan:Thatcher power couple did screw the world pretty indiscriminately with their policies. They should be considered as worthy additions to any worst leader group no matter where you're from. They did work hard to earn it, after all. It would be unrespectful not to include that pair of fuckers. Obama is just an American centrist (that is, a rightward corporatist anywhere else) that has a rabid opposition trying to undermine his every single step. Kinda hard to be the worst when you have your hands tired with all that bullshit. trucutru fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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Jul 4, 2014 14:16
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trucutru posted:Kinda hard to be the worst when you have your hands tired with all that bullshit. Exactly. Someone should draw up a list of how many EOs Obama has issued that unfortunately only extends to Federal workers
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Jul 4, 2014 14:29
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I'm wondering if this is just perception bias on my part, but is the increased polarization of voters on approval of the current President a thing? It seems like irrespective of how they do their jobs, any future presidents will face almost immediate disapproval from the opposing party. 
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Jul 4, 2014 15:28
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Randler posted:Because, as I mentioned, I'm not an American. Therefore domestic policies do not really enter my evaluation. International policies and whatever they did that impacted my country do. So I'm not going to say that Reagan, the man who supported German reunification against fierce opposition from other Western countries, is the worst president. So basically, you don't care about any policies that don't affect you personally?
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Jul 4, 2014 15:45
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Sir Rolo posted:I'm wondering if this is just perception bias on my part, but is the increased polarization of voters on approval of the current President a thing? The polarization of voters comes and goes in American history. It's not any worse than it was in post-Civil War America, or just after WW2, or in the 60s, or now. Different, sure, but not worse.
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Jul 4, 2014 16:09
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Quickscope420dad posted:WWII was never a president IDIOT But it was a cat that scared the poo poo out of Snoopy My Q-Face posted:I was banned from posting on Washington Times after calling John Wayne a wife beating draft dodging drug abusing blowhard in the comments section there. So not a paper big on the truth... The last time I was in DC a few weeks back the front page had stuff on Benghazi and how Hilary was one of the 1%. Also it's lost billions of dollars since it started just so it can be a conservative mouthpiece in DC. Also, looking at the latest job numbers, how can he be the worst president on that alone And gotta love the fact after all these years Nixon still has that much negative approval
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Jul 4, 2014 16:14
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This is a good post
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Jul 4, 2014 16:20
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Think of how much you remember from what you personally did 10 years ago or so, compared to what you remember from a year ago or a few months ago. It's a pretty drat big difference. Now apply that to remembering what someone else did and you'll realize why these kinds of polls will always lean towards the sitting president pretty heavily.
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Jul 4, 2014 16:24
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AshB posted:So two-thirds of your rationale is literally things the President cannot control or reasonably be expected to. There are things he could be doing though to try and change that. Going out and actively pointing out the things that the opposition is doing in their districts, rallying the voters that do support him and pointing out the flaws in what the deadlocked congress is doing. He's the president, people will listen to him, and if he could whip up the chunk of the population that is either apathetic to politics or the D's in very red districts, or hell, even the moderate R's to point out that everything he is trying to do is being stymied by a small group of people, he could be actually passing things. The problem is that there is only a very small sect of the population that realizes that the issue isn't with Obama himself, but the deadlocked congress. If more of the people knew that everything that is trying to be done is being blocked on the concept of it alone, there's a better chance of poo poo Getting Done. Instead, he lets most of the american people believe that he's the one at fault. I'm not a huge fan of Obama, simply because he really hasn't done anything. If it wasn't for the fact that he was the first black president, he'd be remembered about as well as Ford - a not terrible president, a not outstanding president, and overall a fairly ho-hum guy. He's certainly better than any of his opposition, but he hasn't done anything to help himself. Even when the government was shut down, the average person thought it was Obama's fault, because the only media coming out that pointed out that the only reason the government was shut down was because of a bunch of republican reps that dug their heels in and play ball was the news. A few primetime pressers would have changed that.
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Jul 4, 2014 16:32
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This is of course a counter-factual, but it's not a stretch to imagine that Obama and his staff already considered trying to hit back (and I mean that in any possible sense, not necessarily an aggressive response) and figured that that would just further reinforce the right's depiction of him as an 'imperial' President.
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Jul 4, 2014 16:40
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AA is for Quitters posted:There are things he could be doing though to try and change that. Going out and actively pointing out the things that the opposition is doing in their districts, rallying the voters that do support him and pointing out the flaws in what the deadlocked congress is doing. He's the president, people will listen to him, and if he could whip up the chunk of the population that is either apathetic to politics or the D's in very red districts, or hell, even the moderate R's to point out that everything he is trying to do is being stymied by a small group of people, he could be actually passing things. quote:I'm not a huge fan of Obama, simply because he really hasn't done anything. http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
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Jul 4, 2014 16:54
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ChaosSamusX posted:So basically, you don't care about any policies that don't affect you personally? Generally I don't really care that much about policies that do not affect either me or my country. I don't think that's an odd stance to take.
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Jul 4, 2014 16:54
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Randler posted:Generally I don't really care that much about policies that do not affect either me or my country. I don't think that's an odd stance to take. What exactly did Clinton do to Germany?
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Jul 4, 2014 16:59
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CaptainCarrot posted:It's so cute that you think more than about five people in the Republican caucus give a poo poo about what anyone who isn't a Teaper thinks. The republican caucus will care when that sweet donor money dries up because the fact that they're being run by the batshit caucus becomes really well known to people who aren't politically involved. It's a small minority of people who are Tea Party types, and they have overrun the party because they shout the loudest. Getting people who just write the same check every year to support a candidate without ever looking at what/who they're supporting to notice that their previously moderate rep is now way right wing because otherwise he'll be primaried from the right is a good way to stop that money from coming in. And Obama has done a lot. So did Ford. Ford put through the Equal Rights Ammendment. Ford made sure draft dodgers weren't punished. Ford pulled out what was left of the troops in Vietnam. But no one gives a gently caress or remembers Ford. There are actually a lot similarities between Ford and Obama in that both faced strong opposition from congress who refused to pass stuff that he wanted, and overrode vetoes of things he didn't, inhereted a war no one wanted and did his best to clean up the mess, inhereted the crappiest economy to date, and tried to do what they could to support every American. Neither is a poo poo president. Both did accomplish stuff. But what they accomplished is largely going to be forgotten as time marches on.
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Jul 4, 2014 18:44
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 Those halcyon days of early 2009. 
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Jul 4, 2014 18:50
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OP, would you say that you have lost faith in America ps you are a bad troll
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Jul 4, 2014 19:02
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Mo_Steel posted:
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Jul 4, 2014 19:03
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OP is too scared to post in this abortion of a thread and is just going to complain elsewhere on the forums about how D&D is a liberal hivemind. OP come back and defend your terrible ignorant opinions you coward.
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Jul 4, 2014 19:05
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There isn't some protocol against posting a thread in D&D and never actually discussing?
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Jul 4, 2014 19:08
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FADEtoBLACK posted:There isn't some protocol against posting a thread in D&D and never actually discussing? yes  Interests: Sexy women that play games
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Jul 4, 2014 19:10
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So basically is the OP jrodefeld, except he's a hardcore Republican and almost always posts in games? Then again at least jrodefeld would try to roll with the punches for a while
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Jul 4, 2014 19:11
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Mo_Steel posted:
quote:The funny thing is that it's actually really hard to close a prison when you're not allowed to move people to the mainland and yet Obama is criticized because of this.
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Jul 4, 2014 19:11
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I know there's lots of people with opinions literally as dumb as the OP but let's be honest the likelihood that the OP isn't trolling is pretty slim
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Jul 4, 2014 19:16
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So basically is the OP jrodefeld, except he's a hardcore Republican and almost always posts in games? Then again at least jrodefeld would try to roll with the punches for a while no jrodefeld actually expends his full 2 watts of brain power when posting. He tries so hard but he's just so dumb.
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