Is it fascism yet posted:

pretend i lolled at whoever said fallout games had good writing.

The Sharmat posted:

segments like that should be brought up whenever someone says that voice acting and pre-rendered cutscenes ruined story telling in games

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

Having to voice act everything is a huge limiting factor in modern RPGs.

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

That was me. Fallout 1 and Fallout New Vegas are pretty good, on different levels and for different reasons though.

The Sharmat posted:

basically yeah, almost no one has learned how to actually write a video game yet some people are getting closer though and I think the guy that wrote the huge vomited pile of *emphasized* *text* that was posted awhile ago have actually learned a lot about that and can produce better stuff now than what's normally considered their best work due to nostalgia goggles

Is it fascism yet posted:

lol

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 have extremely bad writing. Fallout 1 and New Vegas are pretty dece, and are also fun games that put gameplay first. Frankly, you can suck my rear end if you disagree.

Is it fascism yet posted:

ill be honest here and say that i only ever tried 2 and 3, but i cant imagine how the others could be miracoulisly good

Stuntman posted:

I feel like the OP completely neglects one of the newer advancements in the field of writing in vidcons: Twine. Essentially, Twine is a very accessible program that enables those with little development experience to create text-based adventures. Instead of the incomprehensible parsers of old and adventure game logic, however, Twine creates adventures that require little more than clicking links to advance. Because of the ease of use and even easier method of playing the final product, it's allowed for marginalized voices to finally break through and be heard. Since it's been out, we've seen amazing interactive fiction focusing on topics that have been mostly neglected by traditional video games and new, innovative ways of storytelling. Some Really loving Good™ games that are currently out include:

Even Cowgirls Bleed: A great deconstruction of modern "reach out and touch you with his gun" vidcon stories.

Everything you swallow will one day come up like a stone: Counting-based game about suicide.

MASTABA SNOOPY: Snoopy-based society.

Howling Dogs: A loving masterpiece. That's all I'll say or else I risk spoiling stuff.

The Sharmat posted:

from what I've seen New Vegas actually had like, themes and poo poo

which is pretty elementary in any other form of fiction but it's not that common in video games

Is it fascism yet posted:

ill be honest here and say that i only ever tried 2 and 3, but i cant imagine how the others could be miracoulisly good

Gaspar Lewis posted:

Is it fascism yet posted:

ill be honest here and say that i only ever tried 2 and 3, but i cant imagine how the others could be miracoulisly good

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

New Vegas is actually cool because instead of being a linear series of setpieces that you have zero control over, the main quest is reactive enough that you can kill every NPC in the game and still have a coherent ending. It's not just a guided tour where you aren't allowed to do anything crazy like Oblivion, Fallout 3 or Skyrim.

The Sharmat posted:

yeah it's the rare case where the writing actually takes advantage of the potential strengths of the medium instead of being a chopped up book/movie with a bunch of generic combat and minigames shoved into the gaps

Is it fascism yet posted:

im not a gib fan of genre fiction haha

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

RPGs where your actions have a real effect on the world around you that makes sense, THAT is cool videogame writing, not stupid crap like trying to make your game like Real Literature or what usually happens, a loving comic book movie (lmao).

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Lt. Danger posted:

new vegas is good and cool and really fleshed out. fallout 1 is pretty cool in a really bare-bones kinda way. playing it is like reading Ray Bradbury or something

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So of the three key aspects of a game - visuals, gameplay and story - which would you say was your priority with The Order 1886?

I think story and visuals are very high. Gameplay is something that... it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it. We love games, but we also love telling stories, so I think story is always going to be at the top because it's what we start with. It's at the top of the pyramid and everything else supports that. I think it'd be more challenging to make a game for the gameplay's sake, then try to make a story that fits in there.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

fronz posted:

playing new vegas is not like reading ray bradbury you dork

01011001 posted:

I think it'd be more challenging to make a game for the gameplay's sake, then try to make a story that fits in there.

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

SunAndSpring posted:

I feel like people have no idea how to write a video game and instead fall back on the writing styles of other media like books (Planescape: Torment) or movies (The Last of Us) or anime (Final Fantasy) or tv shows (BioWare and their continued worship of anything Joss Whedon).