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SedanChair posted:Name seven. http://www.nbra.info/ Ok.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:23
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No literally, name seven. Use that site if it helps. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 7, 2014 19:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54
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Jul 7, 2014 19:27
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Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Uncle Tom Is that what you're looking for, SedanChair?
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Jul 7, 2014 19:31
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Yes? Black Republicans are Uncle Toms WHOOOA INTENSE CONTROVERSY
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Jul 7, 2014 19:34
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SedanChair posted:Name seven. Hey now, Romney won 4% of the black vote in Alabama.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:35
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vintagepurple posted:Jastiger, you're focusing on "the South" as a problem instead of on certain attitudes. You're painting the South as a monolithic, unchanging bloc whose only hope is to be bulldozed and turned into another California. I don't want them to become a new California. I want to go back in time and make sure we made the Southern Aristocrats pay so that 200 years later we don't have to deal with the crap we see now. It IS a cultural thing as you say, its just a constant and perpetual (though hopefully ending soon due to rising technology and immigrants populations) thing with the South to consistently drag the US into terrible policy directions. I don't want to exterminate the South, I want them to stop singlehandedly pulling down American politics with theocracy and Austrian economics nonsense. I want more Huey Long and less Mitch McConnel.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:52
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I would like to add my opinion that the geographical boundary of the south in Texas is not just I-35, but I-10 as well. Once you get south of Houston along the coast an into that triangle formed by the Gulf and the border with Mexico it becomes "North Mexico" very quick.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:53
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Jastiger posted:
Unfortunately, as has been pointed out at least a dozen times in this thread alone, they're far from singlehandedly doing it! It is in fact a problem endemic to America as a whole! What you really dislike is conservative political thought, which is pervasive throughout several different regions in the United States.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:06
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SedanChair posted:No literally, name seven. Use that site if it helps. What is your point??
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Jul 7, 2014 20:11
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Wrong thread
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Jul 7, 2014 20:13
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Jastiger posted:
Huey Long would be more receptive to a theocracy than Mitch McConnell.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:15
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Stressing the racism of one environment inherently obscures the problems of racism everywhere else. I'd agree that racism generally plays out differently along urban/rural, South/North, etc. divides, but one isn't 'better' than the other. We can eliminate the Bull Connors and Theodore Bilbos but that doesn't do poo poo to fix discrimination in housing, employment, medicine, etc. in Chicago, Toledo, Oakland, Fargo, or wherever the gently caress else, nor does it actually address the implicit racist ideology held by a large majority of Americans. Racism doesn't just manifest in physical problems like poverty; conversely, poor minorities aren't the only ones who suffer from racism. SedanChair posted:Noticing the most in-your-face and appalling forms of racism (which are found in the South) is the first step. It's like reading the unedited version of Black Boy. It was suitable for Richard Wright's white Northern publishers to cut out the last part of his book, where he traveled north and found more insidious forms of racism. But you can't get to the insidiousness without confronting the overt culture of poison and hatred that is the white South. Maybe, or maybe not. Along with Richard Wright, many Civil Rights leaders emphasized problems outside of the south. MLK Jr. once famously said that Chicago was the most racist place he ever visited; other African Americans made similar arguments about other northern or western cities. Historians and sociologists have argued for years now that the emphasis on 'southern racism' is often detrimental because it subtly encourages other whites to think that racism means burning crosses into yards, lynching, or spraying people with fire hoses. Only recently have we seen a greater recognition of 'northern racism,' like in the Ta-Nehisi Coates piece on reparations, and we're just now starting to see much better historical treatments of the Black Panther Party's efforts on the west coast, for example. We've sentimentalized the CRM and racism by focusing on the south. I would guess that many (most?) Americans recognize that 'southern racism' is bad while simultaneously committing to 'colorblindness' or some weird notion of 'postracialism.' The New Right hijacked the Civil Rights Movement in the 1970s, rewrote history, and put this narrative into place. We're still dealing with the repercussions, and we're still getting bogged down in the idea of a dude in a white hood instead of our smiling neighbor who 'doesn't see race.' Even if more Americans expressed outrage about explicit racism, we still wouldn't be digging at the roots of the problem.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:18
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nucleicmaxid posted:Unfortunately, as has been pointed out at least a dozen times in this thread alone, they're far from singlehandedly doing it! It is in fact a problem endemic to America as a whole! What you really dislike is conservative political thought, which is pervasive throughout several different regions in the United States. True, I DO really dislike Conservative thought, but I don't see Conservatism as necessarily anti-intellectual. The Southern bloc has really made it so.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:27
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Jastiger posted:True, I DO really dislike Conservative thought, but I don't see Conservatism as necessarily anti-intellectual. The Southern bloc has really made it so. Wrong again, as made evident over a dozen times through this thread. See the post above yours for a breakdown on why your specific jingoistic attitude is actually super damaging to the cause you feign support for.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:32
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nucleicmaxid posted:Wrong again, as made evident over a dozen times through this thread. See the post above yours for a breakdown on why your specific jingoistic attitude is actually super damaging to the cause you feign support for. The post above mine is 100% right concerning racism. Not so for the rest of the issues that were brought up in the thread concerning anti intellectualism, tribalism, anti-federalism, and war mongering and all the other social factors like education rates, obesity, childhood mortality, etc.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:34
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XyloJW posted:What is your point?? What is the point in bringing up that black conservatives exist? If they are, for all intents and purposes, statistical outliers, then to bring them up is really just obfuscation and asking the person to 'name them' is a humorous way to point that out. It also sounds very teaparty-esque to deflect claims of racism with "well look we have Herman Cain, how can we be racist?!"
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Jul 7, 2014 20:35
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XyloJW posted:What is your point?? That much to the GOP's chagrin, black Republicans are not a thing.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:36
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nucleicmaxid posted:Total War has a very similar effect. He didn't ship them to an Auschwitz like place, but he did some pretty terrible things in order to win the war. Whether that was justified or not is a little more up in the air considering what was actually happening at the time, but to try and say that you should start burning down cities and more or less salting the earth during today's South is pretty extreme. Sherman's March was a good idea. It was one of the best ideas that Northern commanders came up with during the war. Not only was the March limited to specific targets (foraging from large plantations, destroying military infrastructure), but it did more than any other single Union operation to destroy the institution of slavery. The March to the Sea freed countless enslaved people, crippled the Confederacy's war effort, and hastened the end of the war. So perhaps you can understand the reaction from non-Southerners when Southerners bend over backwards to reinvent the historical record of the March and mythologize it to the point of inventing family histories and imagining it as the anything approaching "salting the earth." Hell, look at how committed you are to imagining that maybe the March wasn't justified and insisting that it was universally terrible and most certainly not a good idea. Dealing with racism certainly requires more than just saying that the South it bad and certainly the rest of the United States is deeply implicated in the white supremacist society that we currently live in. Acknowledging that the South has had a unique experience with racism, however, does not automatically excuse Northerners and Westerners from being racist. But given that historical denialism has been one of the classic tools of denying racism, it gets exhausting listening to Southerners creating an alternate history of the Civil War.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:41
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Yeah, it's inconvenient to my thinly veiled complaint thread to point out that many of the things I'm saying are spurious correlations borne out of some personal dislike of what I imagine an entire region of the country to be.tsa posted:What is the point in bringing up that black conservatives exist? If they are, for all intents and purposes, statistical outliers, then to bring them up is really just obfuscation and asking the person to 'name them' is a humorous way to point that out. Transsexuals are also statistical outliers.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:41
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Naked Lincoln posted:So perhaps you can understand the reaction from non-Southerners when Southerners bend over backwards to reinvent the historical record of the March and mythologize it to the point of inventing family histories and imagining it as the anything approaching "salting the earth." Hell, look at how committed you are to imagining that maybe the March wasn't justified and insisting that it was universally terrible and most certainly not a good idea. It doesn't really help when a long running meme in D&D by non-Southerners is literally "let's nuke the South just like Sherman did in the Civil War".
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Jul 7, 2014 20:47
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Jastiger posted:The post above mine is 100% right concerning racism. Not really, sorry. You've provided no evidence, you're just making baseless claims. Those are all found in other areas of the country that skew conservative, you just have a boner for making GBS threads on a certain people. Much like the Tea Party. Naked Lincoln posted:Sherman's March was a good idea. It was one of the best ideas that Northern commanders came up with during the war. Not only was the March limited to specific targets (foraging from large plantations, destroying military infrastructure), but it did more than any other single Union operation to destroy the institution of slavery. The March to the Sea freed countless enslaved people, crippled the Confederacy's war effort, and hastened the end of the war. So perhaps you can understand the reaction from non-Southerners when Southerners bend over backwards to reinvent the historical record of the March and mythologize it to the point of inventing family histories and imagining it as the anything approaching "salting the earth." Hell, look at how committed you are to imagining that maybe the March wasn't justified and insisting that it was universally terrible and most certainly not a good idea. I actually said, very specifically, that it was justified and ok due to the circumstances around it happening. I just also said a second march to the sea, where southern infrastructure is destroyed (Jastiger's original stated plan) would be absolutely insane. I went a little overboard calling it a war crime, as I got annoyed at Jastiger's bigotry - bigotry really upsets me, so having an entire region of millions called bigots by a guy who is himself clearly just a bigot with no actual experience or understanding of the region he's bigoted toward made me use a bit of hyperbole. My main point is that being condescending about the south (or any group, actually) without actually having evidence to back you up just makes you look like a jackass, and that's no way to actually effect real change. Also, I, and the other Southerners in the thread, have been quite vocal about our distaste for racism, up to and including calling out the terrible past of our region. We've just also been loathe to shoulder the blame entirely alone, while smug non-Southerners pat themselves on the back and talk about how the subhumans in the South might some day realize how wrong they are.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:51
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SedanChair posted:That much to the GOP's chagrin, black Republicans are not a thing. So does Allen West not count as black, or does he not count as Republican?
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Jul 7, 2014 20:52
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computer parts posted:It doesn't really help when a long running meme in D&D by non-Southerners is literally "let's nuke the South just like Sherman did in the Civil War". It's just as historically revisionist to claim that Sherman only burned 'military' infrastructure, anything used by bushwhackers, bandits, militia, etc. counted as military and local commanders had discretion to do as they pleased. It also doesn't help anyone when foragers come by and sieze all of your military livestock, destroy the military roads and railroads, and tear up your military farmhouse. Sherman's March was absolutely total war performed against civilians, and while we're lucky that starvation and generational poverty was the worst result compared to the massacres that crop up when this happened elsewhere and when, it's odd how much people fetishize the march as some kind of petulant power fantasy against a symbolic caricature of the south. It's one of the more puzzlingly hypocritical aspects of internet liberals that they would nominally be against needless collective punishment except against dastardly racist white southerners.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:52
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People who pretend Sherman was in any way just or moral in his march are literally saying it's ok to destroy an entire civilian population's livelihood and food sources because you're mad at their leaders. Like, it's cool if you think that, freedom and all that jazz, but just be honest, say it's ok to starve a bunch of poor people to death as long as you're the invading force.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:02
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Who What Now posted:So does Allen West not count as black, or does he not count as Republican? You'd think Allen West would be one of the last examples of desirable politicians, what with the rhetoric about how religious tolerance will destroy America (comments about Coexist bumper stickers and other statements about religion) and how american news agencies should be censored (ignoring the bit where journalism is dead anyway).
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Jul 7, 2014 21:06
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Who What Now posted:So does Allen West not count as black, or does he not count as Republican? Since he lost his seat he doesn't count for much at all 
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Jul 7, 2014 21:09
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So when you say black republicans do you mean literally any black person who supports the republican party and votes for them or do you mean black republican politicians who are currently in power, that's a key thing to make clear. By your logic I can say Log Cabin Republicans don't exist because I don't see any elected officials from them.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:11
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So when you say black republicans do you mean literally any black person who supports the republican party and votes for them or do you mean black republican politicians who are currently in power, that's a key thing to make clear. He's trolling. It's all effortless shitposts with shifting goalposts. I'm not trying to dismiss people who disagree with me, but SedanChair is adding nothing at all to the conversation save to rile people up.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:13
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nucleicmaxid posted:He's trolling. It's all effortless shitposts with shifting goalposts. I'm not trying to dismiss people who disagree with me, but SedanChair is adding nothing at all to the conversation save to rile people up. And you're adding nothing but to conflate Sherman's march with some kind of genocide. You might have a lot of fancy constructs in your mind but a white Southern apologist can't really disguise himself.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:16
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SedanChair posted:No literally, name seven. Use that site if it helps. SedanChair posted:That much to the GOP's chagrin, black Republicans are not a thing. So you asked for evidence, on two occasions, with the full intention of dismissing that evidence as not being enough?
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Jul 7, 2014 21:16
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^^^^^^^^^ Pretty much, yes. SedanChair posted:Since he lost his seat he doesn't count for much at all Ok, humor me, what excuse would you have said prior to his losing his seat? -EDIT- "A black man doesn't count." -A Real Thing Someone Said In TYOL 2014 Who What Now fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 21:17
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I'd like to see what seven people come up with, that's all. Allen West, there's one. I'll spot you another three: Alan Keyes, Ward Connerly, Herman Cain.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:19
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SedanChair posted:I'd like to see what seven people come up with, that's all. Allen West, there's one. I'll spot you another three: Alan Keyes, Ward Connerly, Herman Cain. I'd like to see you shut the gently caress up.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:21
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I don't know why people in this thread constantly bring up the idea that Southerners are less racist or more used to being around black people when I go to the largest university in the south and it's 93% white. I know college attendance is more related to economic level than race, but it's weird having gone to a highly diverse northern high school and go to a college were you can be hard pressed to find a single minority in any of your classes. The women to man ratio is interesting however, UCF has 3 women for every 2 men on campus. And the Campus is very, very liberal.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:21
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^^^What does that have to do with the south?SedanChair posted:I'd like to see what seven people come up with, that's all. Allen West, there's one. I'll spot you another three: Alan Keyes, Ward Connerly, Herman Cain. Again do you mean literal black people who are republicans because I live like right by a very sweet black family that happens to all have Cornyn signs and poo poo in their lawn and had a McCain sticker on their car (though to be fair I think they straight didn't vote in 2012 because they hated Romney a lot too so maybe you can use that as your loophole!). I mean, minorities who vote republican are a thing that exists, are you seriously trying to shift the goalposts to currently elected officials now?
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Jul 7, 2014 21:23
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XyloJW posted:I'd like to see you shut the gently caress up. What's your point? e: I'm sick of people invoking black Republicans as though they were a meaningful constituency, as if they meant that even one Republican was not racist, as if they were not the most virulent racists themselves. That's all. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 21:23
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SedanChair posted:I'd like to see what seven people come up with, that's all. Allen West, there's one. I'll spot you another three: Alan Keyes, Ward Connerly, Herman Cain. Ok, so, again, do these people not count as black or Republican?
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Jul 7, 2014 21:25
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SedanChair posted:I'd like to see what seven people come up with, that's all. Allen West, there's one. I'll spot you another three: Alan Keyes, Ward Connerly, Herman Cain. Clarence Thomas, Dale Wainwright, Condoleeza Rice, Jennifer Carroll, Claude Allen, Janice Rogers Brown, Randy Daniels. edit: Oh, a mod told him to shut the gently caress up. I'll just ignore him from now on.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:So when you say black republicans do you mean literally any black person who supports the republican party and votes for them or do you mean black republican politicians who are currently in power, that's a key thing to make clear. There are also a lot of black southerners who hold conservative viewpoints on certain issues but still don't vote republican (if they bother voting at all) because republicans are pretty clearly the party of rich white guys only. Speaking of black southerners, I die a little inside when various "lol, gently caress the South!!" maps or graphs get posted on SA to goon jeers, because frankly what you're saying there is "lol, gently caress the poor and especially minorities!!" As a southerner it's very jarring to hear your ideological allies demonizing your home while preaching the end of bigotry, because by and large our homes are full of poor, underprivileged families who really need progressive help. Lots of the poo poo that gets posted would get called out as classist or racist if it was directed elsewhere. It's easy to get defensive when it seems the rest of the country treats you as a terrible joke. It seems to me that a lot of people buy into Lost Cause crap because there's not a lot of middle ground between Lost Cause and "LOLLOLOL fat syrup-drinking cousinfuckers!"
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