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Just give the Peltians all the technology. Get the Andors and Skylaxians on board, too. Annihilate the Acutians and Thoraxians.
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Is there a Games thread for this game? I searched like 10 forum pages there and got nothing and yet it seems like this game has some goon following.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:20
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I vote diplomacy. If you're Italy, go for Tunisia.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:24
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The Thoraxians are actually pretty cool and not that hard to get into the Federation with Skylaxian aid... we need at least one superpowered friend to help us lead the Peltians to glory.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:25
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Some other FYIs: After game start, it IS possible to give spaceflight tech to any race you want. The first few such missions are pretty simple to do, and you can do them very quickly, giving the original spacefaring faction rather less of a head start. However, every time you give a new race spaceflight tech, you reduce relations with every race already in space because hey, you're taking our head start away! So if we go prancing around later throwing hyperspace engines at everyone like Father Christmas, it won't really matter that much if we diplomatically got away from the original starfaring race - they're still going to loathe us like sin, albeit maybe a little teeny bit less. For that matter, the first few guys we gave starflight to aren't going to be amazingly impressed with us, either (though they probably won't hate us outright because giving them spaceflight was still a pretty sweet deal).
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Jul 8, 2014 00:28
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Diplomacy with the Peltians!
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Jul 8, 2014 00:34
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Have to admit, after reading up on this game the premise sounds very interesting, but I keep hearing very mixed things about what it's like to actually play. Very interested to see how the LP goes.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:37
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Cythereal posted:Have to admit, after reading up on this game the premise sounds very interesting, but I keep hearing very mixed things about what it's like to actually play. Very interested to see how the LP goes. The curse of the Arcen game.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:42
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Tomn posted:Some other FYIs: It only reduces your relations if you get caught. It's not very hard to not get caught.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:56
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Viscardus posted:Your fear is unbecoming of a Hydral. Our race may be dead, but all that means is that we and we alone are the true master of the solar system. Why should we fear the Evucks - or, as the case may be, the Burlusts? Because they will achieve spaceflight a few months or years before the other races? Bah! Mere blinks of an eye to us! You are the coward, throwing the lives of innocents away for the sake of a sharper sword to cower behind. Why not bravely stand behind our words, and lead the system to a new era of peace through example? We need power, but there are those who would lend us that power if we only proved worthy of it. Let us be worthy. Let us steal a ship from a bunch of befuddled burrowing owls and apologize profusely with bribes. That is the path of true courage.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:02
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Give the Burlusts spaceflight tech, then steal their ship. Then crank things up to ultraviolence. Shoot them, burn them, eviscerate them, do whatever needs to be done to escape and then some. Let none stand in your way. They love that poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:14
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Eiba posted:You are the coward, throwing the lives of innocents away for the sake of a sharper sword to cower behind. Why not bravely stand behind our words, and lead the system to a new era of peace through example? What lives am I throwing away? What sword am I cowering behind? Your words lack all reason. I have advocated none of what you seem to think; your mind is confounded by phantoms of your own devising, and it is against them that you seem to be arguing. I am proposing to build a federation of those races who have done ours no harm, armed and ready to face those who have. I wish to be proactive, not to cower in fear at the thought of anyone but the Peltians achieving spaceflight - recall, if you will, that our race has had spaceflight for many lifetimes. And yet you fear a lesser race having access to it for a few months? Do you also fear that they may develop lasers? The printing press? The wheel? Your fears are wholly irrational. You propose to antagonize a future ally merely so that the race you perceive as weakest is the first to follow us into space. This is cowardice, pure and simple, and your attempted obfuscation does nothing to disguise it.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:23
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Viscardus posted:It only reduces your relations if you get caught. It's not very hard to not get caught. You sure? I distinctly recall slipping through the security nets all right and still getting a -10 hit to everyone with spaceflight each time. Did it get patched since I tried it? Eiba posted:Do I fear? Yes, of course I fear! I fear what every being of compassion must fear if they are to have a conscience- I fear the needless slaughter of innocent beings. Andorian spotted.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:24
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Tomn posted:You sure? I distinctly recall slipping through the security nets all right and still getting a -10 hit to everyone with spaceflight each time. Did it get patched since I tried it? It must have changed, then, because I'm currently playing a game in which I gave spaceflight to every race without any penalties.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:52
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It changed in one of the early patches, when they made tweaks to what the spaceflight mission actually was, and shortly afterwards tweaked it to avoid the relationship hit entirely if you successfully ran the blockade. Also, watching this one with interest - never gotten far in this, always had my favoured races sink into mires of RCI disasters so watching this with interest to see what I'm doing wrong.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:01
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Viscardus posted:What lives am I throwing away? What sword am I cowering behind? Your words lack all reason. I have advocated none of what you seem to think; your mind is confounded by phantoms of your own devising, and it is against them that you seem to be arguing.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:08
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Viscardus posted:What lives am I throwing away? What sword am I cowering behind? Your words lack all reason. I have advocated none of what you seem to think; your mind is confounded by phantoms of your own devising, and it is against them that you seem to be arguing. If by stealing from the Peltians, we give them space flight, the neighbors of the Peltians will be at their mercy... and I trust in the Peltians' mercy. Or at least indecisiveness. I do not fear for our individual Hydra. I fear for the people of this system. If you do not understand that, why are we even trying to form a federation in the first place? Tomn posted:Andorian spotted.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:09
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Eiba posted:Pretty much. The space communist owls may be most adorable but... I really gotta go with the Andor when the choice comes. Why not both? Pacifist utopian robots and communist agrarian owls sound like excellent founding members of the Federation.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:16
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Diplomacy with the Peltians! Look at those cute little guys! I want to give them every chance they can get. Plus it should be easier to patch things up with them than with other races.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:24
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Cythereal posted:Why not both? Pacifist utopian robots and communist agrarian owls sound like excellent founding members of the Federation. Pacifist robots and communist owls should be the basis of our federation in any case. A strong foundation.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:34
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Eiba posted:Wiz implied our factions might eventually be federation advocates from the various races. If the races are our parties... yeah. I'm getting ahead of things though. Glory to the Acutian empire. Utopia is simply another form of socialism. The most cost-effective way of eliminating socialism is planet cracking
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Jul 8, 2014 02:42
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Okay, since I'm sort of getting tired of responding to Eiba in character, here's the deal: getting spaceflight first is not, as far as I can tell having played the game, that big an advantage, at least if the Hydral goes around giving it to other races as well (which I would advocate). There is no risk that the Burlusts or Evucks or whoever are going to start vicitimizing other races before they get spaceflight unless we let them. I'm 100 years into my game and no one has even taken a planet yet. It is not a game that moves particularly quickly. If you advocate stealing from the Peltians, you are deliberately making an enemy of the Peltians. That is how it works. Yeah, you can recover from it if you really want to, but that is what the choice is about. Maybe Eiba realizes this and is just pretending he doesn't for the sake of drama, but if there is anyone reading this who didn't know that, please note that I am objectively correct.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:44
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Eiba posted:Wiz implied our factions might eventually be federation advocates from the various races. If the races are our parties... yeah. I'm getting ahead of things though. Honorable diplomats also sound like a good addition, but knowing goons I doubt anyone concerned with honor is going to be thrilled. Maybe the isolationist Boarine?
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Jul 8, 2014 02:45
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Our ideal Federation should be everyone but the Cappiebots, Evucks, and Burlusts. That's how I ran my game and everything turned out awesome there, so...
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Jul 8, 2014 02:49
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Viscardus posted:Your fear is unbecoming of a Hydral. Our race may be dead, but all that means is that we and we alone are the true master of the solar system. Why should we fear the Evucks - or, as the case may be, the Burlusts? Because they will achieve spaceflight a few months or years before the other races? Bah! Mere blinks of an eye to us! So are you the evil head or something?
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Jul 8, 2014 03:04
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HaitianDivorce posted:So are you the evil head or something? No, I'm just the head on the far right.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:13
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Viscardus posted:No, I'm just the head on the far right. I don't see the difference.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:16
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gently caress the Peltians, awesome philosophical isolationist boar-men should be the backbone of our federation. 
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Jul 8, 2014 03:23
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Y'know, this whole sentient-being-with-multiple-heads thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense from an evolutionary standpoint. What kind of environmental pressure leads to that? I guess the answer is "a world where decapitation is really common", but that just raises more questions than it answers.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:24
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YeOldeButchere posted:Y'know, this whole sentient-being-with-multiple-heads thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense from an evolutionary standpoint. What kind of environmental pressure leads to that? I guess the answer is "a world where decapitation is really common", but that just raises more questions than it answers. So you're our smart and philosophical head then
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Jul 8, 2014 03:25
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WeaponGradeSadness posted:gently caress the Peltians, awesome philosophical isolationist boar-men should be the backbone of our federation. Boarines have a matriarchy! She is just a cute little ice-pig-lady trying to take care of her wards in a cruel and unforgiven galaxy. (Boarines like never get a good planet for them.) Boarines take a lot of work to get in the fed (RCI work which is just  ) but if you can swing them they are hella solid.I'd spoiler their mechanic but if things get going they can topple burlusts from the position of kings of wreck poo poo mountain
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Jul 8, 2014 03:33
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I wonder if rival federations can form in this game that you then have to deal with. Like the Acutians, Burlusts, and Thoraxians join up to create The Empire of Evil to oppose you if your federation gets too strong.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:36
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Cythereal posted:I wonder if rival federations can form in this game that you then have to deal with. Like the Acutians, Burlusts, and Thoraxians join up to create The Empire of Evil to oppose you if your federation gets too strong. Wonder no more: yes.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:10
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Peltian Diplomacy Because maybe we should start with playing nice with the guys who are super agreeable. Rather than making the murderbeasts hate everything in space.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:39
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Acutian Diplomacy because if we build them up now it will be more fun to get sweet revenge on them later.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:53
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Viscardus posted:Okay, since I'm sort of getting tired of responding to Eiba in character, here's the deal: getting spaceflight first is not, as far as I can tell having played the game, that big an advantage, at least if the Hydral goes around giving it to other races as well (which I would advocate). There is no risk that the Burlusts or Evucks or whoever are going to start vicitimizing other races before they get spaceflight unless we let them. I'm 100 years into my game and no one has even taken a planet yet. It is not a game that moves particularly quickly. In RP terms, we're giving these people the opportunity to attack their neighbors sooner. Whether that's likely in the game or not is irrelevant to that RP argument. (I'm not saying you're wrong, there's just some different values going into this decision.)
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Jul 8, 2014 04:53
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Veloxyll posted:Peltian Diplomacy Isn't "making murderbeasts hate everything" sort of the M.O. of any SA LP, if at all possible?
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Jul 8, 2014 04:58
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rlloyd3 posted:Isn't "making murderbeasts hate everything" sort of the M.O. of any SA LP, if at all possible? Goon-driven political motion has all the self-awareness, tact, subtlety, and diplomatic nuance of an Ork WAAAAAAAGH! most of the time.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:14
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Most of the time it's BEING the horrible murderbeasts. Which reminds me, I should catch up on the Democracy 3 LP
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YeOldeButchere posted:Y'know, this whole sentient-being-with-multiple-heads thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense from an evolutionary standpoint. What kind of environmental pressure leads to that? I guess the answer is "a world where decapitation is really common", but that just raises more questions than it answers. Natural selection is not the only force at work in evolution, nor should we assume that just because adaptations are conserved that they are beneficial. Clearly the Hydrals evolved from a lower order of life that had multiple heads for some reason, either because of an environment that favored multiple ganglia/sense clusters or, in my personal opinion because of a more exotic mechanism like the formation of a chimeric organism. It would hardly be the first time in the history of life that multiple organisms developed such a close relationship that they eventually became one organism. If we had access to Hydral genetic science we could discern whether Hydrals' distant ancestors evolved multiple heads due to selection pressure or whether their genes show traces of a colonial or parasitic stage of life leading to permanent chimerization. I get to be the science head.
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