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Design Spots posted:
Turning greyfield (stuff that has been built on then abandoned) into farmland is actually hard and very expensive - you've generally got to redo drainage, safely remove services (sewer lines, cables), get contamination surveys (because builders WILL dump toxic poo poo all over the place), remove tons of rubble, and replace a whole bunch of missing topsoil that generally often stripped off the land before it's sold to property developers. Even worse if the area had some minor industry (like a car shop) that gets abandoned and leaks motor oil into the soil, effectively ruining it for decades to come.
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cynic posted:Turning greyfield (stuff that has been built on then abandoned) into farmland is actually hard and very expensive - you've generally got to redo drainage, safely remove services (sewer lines, cables), get contamination surveys (because builders WILL dump toxic poo poo all over the place), remove tons of rubble, and replace a whole bunch of missing topsoil that generally often stripped off the land before it's sold to property developers. Even worse if the area had some minor industry (like a car shop) that gets abandoned and leaks motor oil into the soil, effectively ruining it for decades to come. Counterpoint: Food grown there is probably still healthier than the pink sugar wafers and little hugs they consume in Detroit.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:11
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cynic posted:Turning greyfield (stuff that has been built on then abandoned) into farmland is actually hard and very expensive - you've generally got to redo drainage, safely remove services (sewer lines, cables), get contamination surveys (because builders WILL dump toxic poo poo all over the place), remove tons of rubble, and replace a whole bunch of missing topsoil that generally often stripped off the land before it's sold to property developers. Even worse if the area had some minor industry (like a car shop) that gets abandoned and leaks motor oil into the soil, effectively ruining it for decades to come. also while the sum total of acerage that is open is massive, shots like that are pretty drat rare, as most of the neighborhoods still have tons of houses in them, they are just burned out shells or whatever.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:12
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Yeah, I don't know what they're gonna do with all that land. The farming thing is a neat idea, but it would be pretty expensive to clear away all the burnt out houses, much less tear up the streets/underground pipes and utilities. Move everyone towards the city center and just pretend the derelict lots don't exist. Would also be a good spot for an Escape From New York-style futureprison.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:19
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Hope Detroit strikes it rich being the base of most fantasy/sci-fi movies for the next 30 years with that new greenbelt, most unique place in the modern world.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:20
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How profitable is farming though? Is there a market demand for more corn? The government sometimes pays people money not to farm to avoid huge grain surpluses in some years. You could buy up a bunch of land and register it as a farm and get paid not to farm it guess good business strategy
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Jul 8, 2014 15:22
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Nonsense posted:Hope Detroit strikes it rich being the base of most fantasy/sci-fi movies for the next 30 years with that new greenbelt, most unique place in the modern world. lol this was literally going to happen and then Sndyer got rid of the tax breaks for movie studios
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The only solution is to just return it to a rural area. That's what the population density is dictating. The city should clean every plot before releasing it for sale though. That would take a huge amount of money that they probably don't have but what else is there (besides letting it sit there forever and let the soil contain contaminants). The sci-fi movie thing would rule though. Speaking of rust belt's making movies, Captain America Winter Soldier had a lot of poo poo filmed in Cleveland. We let them shut down the Shoreway (the main freeway from the west side to downtown) for like $8. Kind of botched that one, but I guess the first one is free? e: Oh, it was $20 http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/captain-america-paid-cleveland-20-to-film-on-closed-shoreway-for-two-weeks I'm going to rent the shoreway for a couple weeks and turn it into a big outdoor party.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:26
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Move out and let it return to the earth, 20 years later open the weirdest nature preserve yeah you can go walk around in there just make sure a bear doesn't clock you with an old muffler assembly and take your wallet
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Jul 8, 2014 15:28
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I've lived in the suburbs of Detroit my whole life and I honestly can say that I believe my opinion holds more weight than yours.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:33
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Monkey Fracas posted:Move out and let it return to the earth, 20 years later open the weirdest nature preserve You'd come back and the grandchildren of today's residents would still be there wearing gmc and ford trucker caps they fashioned out of twigs and berries still waiting for industry to return
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Jul 8, 2014 15:33
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WoodrowSkillson posted:lol this was literally going to happen and then Sndyer got rid of the tax breaks for movie studios They cut back on film subsidies, not tax breaks. Trying to buy friends, especially Hollywood ones, is a terrible loving idea.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:lol this was literally going to happen and then Sndyer got rid of the tax breaks for movie studios haha that guy is out to murder all blacks and hip-hop listening whites
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Design Spots posted:
just want to walk around the empty lots planting trees, slowly turn the suburbs into rural forest
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Jul 8, 2014 15:36
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The population needs to get removed (mass graves OK) and the housing needs to be bulldozed. Starting over is the only way forward at this juncture.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:37
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Detroit should build Apple products, not China.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:38
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R-Type posted:The population needs to get removed (mass graves OK) and the housing needs to be bulldozed. Starting over is the only way forward at this juncture. That's terrible, I mean what if you buy house and find out it's been built upon a Detroit mass grave and you're haunted by rapping ghosts.
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Jul 8, 2014 15:40
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Nonsense posted:Detroit should build Apple products, not China. How do you train hard rear end thugs to build electronics when all they know is bitches, weed and money?
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Jul 8, 2014 15:42
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For one thing American workers are scared stiff about leaking potentially cool new products, and losing their jobs, unlike greedy chinese workers who poo poo all over american enterprise All chinese know is poverty and communism, yet they still make the highest margin consumer products on the planet
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Jul 8, 2014 15:44
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I like all these people who "Don't give up on Detroit" or don't want to "Give up on the city that made them" but literally do nothing for it, just talk about it for PR reasons. Not that I care if they actually do give to the city, but really, please, just stop acting like people other than people that live there actually care about it.
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The reason the film stuff got pulled was because the state government had no idea what it was getting into in the first place, and it all blew up in their faces. The idea behind film tax breaks was that the studios would come in on that, and spend all their money on michigan stuff. The reality is that Hollywood brings all their own stuff with them, including even the goddamn toilets. The only things they were spending money on were the property rights that they were getting the obscene deals on. So obscene that Michigan lost money everytime.
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etalian posted:This is the best PR video for Cleveland: Actually, his follow-up video is way more appropriate for this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM
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cynic posted:Turning greyfield (stuff that has been built on then abandoned) into farmland is actually hard and very expensive - you've generally got to redo drainage, safely remove services (sewer lines, cables), get contamination surveys (because builders WILL dump toxic poo poo all over the place), remove tons of rubble, and replace a whole bunch of missing topsoil that generally often stripped off the land before it's sold to property developers. Even worse if the area had some minor industry (like a car shop) that gets abandoned and leaks motor oil into the soil, effectively ruining it for decades to come. Someone from Detroit needs to go out and find a G.E.C.K.
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Jul 8, 2014 16:28
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Count Freebasie posted:Someone from Detroit needs to go out and find a G.E.C.K. Perhaps OCP should now step in
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Count Freebasie posted:Actually, his follow-up video is way more appropriate for this thread. "Our main export is crippling depression."
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avatarinwin posted:I've lived in the suburbs of Detroit my whole life and I honestly can say that I believe my opinion holds more weight than yours. ive been in SE MI my entire life as well, within 15 miles of the city at all times. it owns.
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also:quote:Desperate calls for help from the United Nations aren’t just for war-torn and developing nations anymore. The city of Detroit—a city that has been on the brink in many ways—in an effort to balance its books, has begun shutting off water access to city residents behind on their payments. While that may seem like what happens to anyone when they don’t pay their bills, Detroit is a unique case—nearly half of the 323,900 residents who use the utility are delinquent, according to the Detroit Free Press. To make matters worse, Al-Jazeera America reports, Detroit’s average monthly water bill is nearly double the national average of $40. The Detroit City Council approved a 9 percent hike last week. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/23/detroit_shuts_off_water_for_residents_united_nations_asked_to_help.html
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the water system is meant to serve more people than it does. its still gotta be maintained. they need more people in the system to keep the costs per user down.
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FogHelmut posted:the water system is meant to serve more people than it does. its still gotta be maintained. they need more people in the system to keep the costs per user down. in the article it says that half the population are deliquant on the water bills (lol)
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I prefer to think of it as a successful Fallout simulator, op.
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Nonsense posted:Hope Detroit strikes it rich being the base of most fantasy/sci-fi movies for the next 30 years with that new greenbelt, most unique place in the modern world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TbxI_oRSKI
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FogHelmut posted:the water system is meant to serve more people than it does. its still gotta be maintained. they need more people in the system to keep the costs per user down. Pretty much this. Also, the surrounding cities get their water from Detroit, paying a high rate to subsidize underutilized water infrastructure in Detroit. My gut is telling me that when the state took over Belle Isle, the water supply inlet at the east end of the Isle was a huge motivator. Favorite thing about Detroit: When Also, I know this guy from Detroit... Between he and his baby mama: 14 kids, zero jobs.
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KillTylerDurden posted:Favorite thing about Detroit: When I would absolutely love a video of this.
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Gonkish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9uzDelNvDg Holy poo poo this is amazing and so depressing. naem posted:How profitable is farming though? Is there a market demand for more corn? The government sometimes pays people money not to farm to avoid huge grain surpluses in some years. Not at all. Most places need government assistance so yeah welp gently caress. Al Borland fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Design Spots posted:
Generally the people who end up working on those farms are illegal immigrants or the urban poor, and they aren't so pleased.
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It is time to make robot cop a reality, he already saved Detroit 3-4 times he can do it again.
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Saved? Delta City would have saved Detroit, Robocop is an evil motherfucker.
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Tenzarin posted:It is time to make robot cop a reality, he already saved Detroit 3-4 times he can do it again. Yeah but 2 1/2 of the times he saved Detroit weren't very entertaining.
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Al Nipper posted:Only Lovers Left Alive is set in Detroit and there's quite a few striking shots that could only be achieved there. Driving around suburbs with no streetlights and empty husks of homes, with wolves and deer running around. And disposing of bodies in random pools of toxic waste. according to that movie detroit is coming back, this is a great time to invest there
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Al Nipper posted:Only Lovers Left Alive is set in Detroit and there's quite a few striking shots that could only be achieved there. Driving around suburbs with no streetlights and empty husks of homes, with wolves and deer running around. And disposing of bodies in random pools of toxic waste. I was thinking all those empty buildings would be a great place to hide bodies.
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