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DiabloCthulhu posted:1980: immigration starts and 340,000 settlers are sent to Mars.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:07 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 10:24 |
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...So, in 5 years he manages to convince the majority of 340,000 people that Earth is trying to get them? Right. 340,000 people who, given the circumstances, are likely very well educated? Either this Professor has brainwashing technology or Urobuchi, or whoever's behind this plot, has lost any sense of scale. He should have gone with the time travel idea, rather than "completely new culture forms overnight." The action's been good, but stuff like this is completely destroying any sense of immersion, in what's supposedly a serious show.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:18 |
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So basically, The Vers Empire are really just a bunch of Space LARPers who, through crazy repetition, believe that they are the true decendants of the old ancient. Or in other terms, the Vers Empire right now is a bunch of LARPing space hippies.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:18 |
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There's the implication that there's something more sinister about the alien tech, but yeah the Mars situation is all kinds of silly.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:20 |
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I guess it does explain why the Earth authorities thought they could beat the Vers. They still outnumber them by like 3000 to 1, and all evidence of the Vers' super fighting robots was covered up by some unknown entity.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:30 |
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Well this is kinda bullshit. That's really not long enough at all.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:45 |
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Genocyber posted:Given how they refer to a planet Vers, it's safe to assume they're not from Earth (recently). From what I understand, there is another planet Vers that found Mars before humans moved there so the humans there are now part of the Vers empire. I think. Its bot all that clear at the moment.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:51 |
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Kinda wondering if the supertech does actually influence their personalities, especially with the feudal system of government. Maybe all the colonists got reprogrammed into worker bees for the aldnoah god character/royalty? The complete indifference/scheming towards the princesses situation seems to undercut that possibility though. Hell, maybe there was an ancient civiliation, they digitized themselves or otherwise backed up their conciousness/memories and overwrote the current "Vers Empire" so it's new and old at the same time? Total baseless speculation but it'd be nice if there was some kind of explanation.That timeline posted reminds me of the colony situation in Gundam storylines, but yeah it feels way too accelerated.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:54 |
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ViggyNash posted:From what I understand, there is another planet Vers that found Mars before humans moved there so the humans there are now part of the Vers empire. I think. Its bot all that clear at the moment. I think you're confusing setting info with Desuwa's theory. To be fair, their theory makes a lot more sense than what's actually going on.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:55 |
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ViggyNash posted:From what I understand, there is another planet Vers that found Mars before humans moved there so the humans there are now part of the Vers empire. I think. Its bot all that clear at the moment. From the official timeline it's pretty clear that there is no other planet and the empire was founded by the ridiculously charismatic Prof. Ray Regalia (love the last name) on Mars; it's most likely his unbelievable rise to power has something to do with Aldnoah or some other anime hand wave magic.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 22:56 |
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DiabloCthulhu posted:timeline Not gonna lie, I find this really dumb. I honestly didn't think my theory was really out there, I saw it as just the natural reading from episode one, until episode two rolled around and cast more doubt on it. This timeline just feels poorly thought out. Like I didn't even think I was making a theory, I thought my "theory" was the only way the setting would make sense and feel natural. So much for that. Desuwa fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jul 15, 2014 |
# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:01 |
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:That timeline posted reminds me of the colony situation in Gundam storylines, but yeah it feels way too accelerated. Aldnoah.Zero: High Speed Gundam
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:18 |
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So any space rear end in a top hat older than 35 was born on earth and there's no one more than 2 generations removed? And they're talking like they've become their own species with special racial slurs and everything.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:19 |
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That's overly complicated for a show about stompy robots. I would have kept watching anyway just for the battles, but all the interesting mechs were beaten by the laser-spamming, matter-disintegrating bore-bots.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:20 |
DiabloCthulhu posted:Here's the translation (taken from here): Just spent an hour translating everything up to 1985 for nothing
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:20 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:So any space rear end in a top hat older than 35 was born on earth and there's no one more than 2 generations removed? And they're talking like they've become their own species with special racial slurs and everything. Aldnoah.Zero: High Speed Gundam Space Racism. Hopefully, there's a logical explanation at the end.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:29 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:So any space rear end in a top hat older than 35 was born on earth and there's no one more than 2 generations removed? And they're talking like they've become their own species with special racial slurs and everything. I imagine the 340,000 people were all Tumblr users and theyre back to check our privilege.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:29 |
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One possible explanation for the rather swift change from Terran to space-sneering Martian comes from a Ray Bradbury short story, Dark They Were, and Golden-Eyed where settlers from the US who live near ancient Martian cities, are gradually transformed into Martians themselves. Possibly, not only does the Prof. discover the ancient technology of Aldnoah but also the rest of the settlers' mental states are rapidly changed.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:38 |
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Yeah "some kind of mind control" is the only way this makes any sense, especially considering how intense the selection process must have been to select 340,000 settlers out of billions of people.
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# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:45 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:So any space rear end in a top hat older than 35 was born on earth and there's no one more than 2 generations removed? And they're talking like they've become their own species with special racial slurs and everything. How long do you think it's gonna take for people who discover absurdly powerful space technology to believe they're chosen ones above other mere humans? Hell, how long does it take to form a cult that believes they're chosen ones etc etc, and they don't even have fancy gadgets. Honestly, my biggest surprise is that this "discovery" is shocking to people. The idea of an entirely different culture seemed like extrapolated information since it was first brought up in the summer thread. This is really just cementing all the information we were given. EDIT: vvv I feel like those logistics were never going to make sense, but yeah they used a lot of bad numbers. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jul 16, 2014 |
# ? Jul 15, 2014 23:46 |
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Yeah holy poo poo that timeline Discounting ridiculous Deus Ex plot twists that poo poo is incredibly ridiculous. Screw that, even that isn't enough to justify effing 300 000 colonists getting lifted up to the Moon to enter Mars through the gate in this kind of timeframe: 72: Mars ruins discovered 75: International treaty 80: 340 000 colonists lifted up to Moon to enter Mars. Just lifting them up would be a feat I can't imagine humankind achieving even united as one. Not to mention the facilities needed on the Moon and Mars. gently caress's sake, using this as a source (Sorry for non-Imperial measurements here), assuming worldwide average weight (which is low by Western standards) of 62 kg, you'd spend 340,000*62*25,000$ to send people in space just by weight alone by current standards That's 5,27*10^11$. Gross world product is 7,1*10^13 for comparison. Ah screw it, it's just an anime. Dessel fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 16, 2014 |
# ? Jul 16, 2014 00:05 |
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The AnimeSuki post linked above suggests that the mystery of Prof. Regalia completely changing 340,000 people's outlooks overnight is a plot point. The logistics of getting 340,000 people up there in the first place in 1980 is probably not a plot point, but I'm willing to roll with it.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 00:32 |
Dessel posted:Yeah holy poo poo that timeline They found matter-annihilating robots and a Stargate up there. Being able to ship 340k people to the Moon is the least unrealistic thing about this.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 00:32 |
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And here I thought that the backstory was supposed to be a cross between Turn-A Gundam and Mass Effect's First Contact War.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 00:36 |
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Edward IV posted:And here I thought that the backstory was supposed to be a cross between Turn-A Gundam and Mass Effect's First Contact War. No moonlight butterfly for you.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 00:38 |
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Well to give it a little perspective, we've had quite a few dictators in the past century or so who managed to either convince or strong arm their countries into doing atrocious things in about the same time by manipulating already existing grievances. Reminder that this backstory mostly occurs during the Cold War. The idea that any moment someone in charge might get mad and wipe humanity off the face of the earth was a thing that really weighed upon people's minds at the time. Given a group of humanity's elites (they already know they're better than the average), the existing climate of countries poised to glass each other at the drop of a hat, the discovery of insanely advanced technology and a very charismatic leader I can totally see a sort of fascist movement to clean the Earth of inferior humans with the superior technology they feel they were destined to have. A kind of "we are the best of humanity and we have a chance to wipe the slate clean and make a better society" kinda deal except they gotta fumigate the place first with disintegration fields.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 02:27 |
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Furious Lobster posted:From the official timeline it's pretty clear that there is no other planet and the empire was founded by the ridiculously charismatic Prof. Ray Regalia (love the last name) on Mars; it's most likely his unbelievable rise to power has something to do with Aldnoah or some other anime hand wave magic. Oh, whoops, didn't see that timeline translation. I still think there had to be some kind of outside interference, maybe the mars tech itself, but there's no other way things could escalate and diverge this quickly.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 03:28 |
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DiabloCthulhu posted:Here's the translation (taken from here): After this and Gargantia I'm starting to think Urobuchi is a big Layzner fan. Guyver fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jul 16, 2014 |
# ? Jul 16, 2014 03:58 |
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Guyver posted:Someone got their Gundam in my Layzner. Hopefully the bored kid gets some bullet deflecting tonfa and a haro. All this talk about it makes me want to go check Layzner out, actually.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 07:09 |
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Eej posted:Well to give it a little perspective, we've had quite a few dictators in the past century or so who managed to either convince or strong arm their countries into doing atrocious things in about the same time by manipulating already existing grievances. Reminder that this backstory mostly occurs during the Cold War. The idea that any moment someone in charge might get mad and wipe humanity off the face of the earth was a thing that really weighed upon people's minds at the time. This actually makes a lot of sense, but it still seems weird. Like that guy at the beginning slapping around a dirty terran for daring to take an interest in his daughter was probably born on Earth himself. I guess everyone just wants to feel superior.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 10:27 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:This actually makes a lot of sense, but it still seems weird. Like that guy at the beginning slapping around a dirty terran for daring to take an interest in his daughter was probably born on Earth himself. Princess Asseylum is not his daughter. I think he was smacking Slaine around on racist principles, and nothing more. He seems rather nationalist, so it makes sense. e: DiabloCthulhu posted:Setting is definitely not one of the strong points of this show. Some kind of brainwashing shenanigans were certainly involved (and maybe still are), but it's still silly. Though I don't really care about setting here and how silly it is. The setting isn't bad, but it hasn't been explained enough. All we know for sure is that the Vers empire is technologically superior because they found some tech on Mars, and they now hate Earth's guts and want to wipe out the planet. A David and Goliath war between planets essentially. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 16, 2014 |
# ? Jul 16, 2014 13:15 |
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Lurking Haro posted:Just spent an hour translating everything up to 1985 for nothing Setting is definitely not one of the strong points of this show. Some kind of brainwashing shenanigans were certainly involved (and maybe still are), but it's still silly. Though I don't really care about setting here and how silly it is. DiabloCthulhu fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jul 16, 2014 |
# ? Jul 16, 2014 14:41 |
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T.G. Xarbala posted:All this talk about it makes me want to go check Layzner out, actually. Speaking of, how is Layzner? The SRW J story sounded good on paper so I'm thinking of giving it a shot.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 18:49 |
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Layzner is probably the best show Ryousuke Takahashi's done not called Votoms. The story is decent as far as 80's Sunrise robot shows go but where it shines is the animation and direction. You can find some of the best mecha animation from the 80's in Layzner.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 19:13 |
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i haven't seen layzner or dougram but i'm sure it's better than FLAG, but it will have to try hard for me to like it more than gaogaigar.
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# ? Jul 16, 2014 19:17 |
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Episode 2 solidified this show for me, definitely interested in seeing Martians obliterate everything around our stoic protagonist. Wonder if we'll get to see humans use chemical or biological weapons to counterattack. Or maybe we'll get the ID4 response of computer virus! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6y8fc3n-mI
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 04:06 |
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Has there ever been a giant robot anime where battles were won with tactics and clever tricks instead of just getting a better robot? Code Guess had it for a bit in the beginning but then it really went the other way.
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 12:26 |
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Wasn't there a Gundam that was basically Counter Strike with giant robots? I remember a friend telling me something about it.
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 12:51 |
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This show does make me think of gundam wing a lot, mainly in how it's only fun when the villians are around.
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 12:57 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 10:24 |
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Dr_Amazing posted:Has there ever been a giant robot anime where battles were won with tactics and clever tricks instead of just getting a better robot? Code Guess had it for a bit in the beginning but then it really went the other way.
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# ? Jul 17, 2014 13:20 |