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Admoon posted:So did everyone forget about this show once Five showed up? Nah, I still think it's the best thing this season. I don't even think five is all that bad(still not good though). Last episode was probably the best so far. I think most people were just expecting something other than Penguindrum by way of James Patterson novel, which is pretty much exactly where the show ended up.
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Redcrimson posted:I think most people were just expecting something other than Penguindrum by way of James Patterson novel, which is pretty much exactly where the show ended up. See, this is exactly what I expected (and hell, even wanted it to be), and I confess that the introduction of Five killed my interest in the show. There's just something about her character that's just so aggressively intolerable to me.
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Darth Walrus posted:I like how this episode addressed how Five is so much less natural and more 'anime' a character than the rest of the cast. The Athena Project was designed to dehumanise its subjects, turning them into tools for the government (the names are a bit of a clue), and whilst Nine and Twelve managed to retain some of their humanity by escaping, Five ended up as the sole completed model. I wouldn't be surprised if that weird pseudo-schoolgirl outfit was designed by a corporation to make her more marketable or something. I think this is definitely what they were going for, and it was clear from the first episode that Nine and Twelve were from some weird anime universe that the rest of the cast wasn't. I wouldn't call them particularly great anime characters, but they were competently put together. I was looking forward to Five coming from the same kind of place, but she feels totally off and not in a good way. She's supposed to be smart and dangerous but also frail and feminine, but the writer seems unable to make that work in a way that doesn't completely cancel each other out. I could buy that she has the FBI under her control if the FBI was as anime as she was and goofily subservient, but they seem to be playing it so straight that her antics just don't make sense. As for Twelve, his turn into something more human doesn't really make any sense, and ruins that kind of devilish tone that made him fun to watch in the first place. However, the romantic bomb disarmament on a ferris wheel, despite being totally loving stupid, was hugely convincing in and of itself. This show is so weird in that it can pull off stuff like that, but then gently caress up so many big picture ideas.
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I don't watch a whole lot of anime, but on the recommendation of a friend I started following this series around the time episode 2 was released and I've really enjoyed it. Though I do have to say Five has put a damper on my enthusiasm. Five just sticks out like a sore thumb as the most egregiously anime character in a cast that otherwise feels fairly grounded in reality. That's not to say the two supergenius 17-year-old plotters who are always two steps ahead of the authorities were a bold new character archetype never before seen in anime, but in the early episodes, the mystery of why they're waging this terror campaign and the effect it had on the world around them was enough to keep me willing to suspend my disbelief. Shibazaki's still interesting, though. 
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There's something really weird about hearing your mother tongue being sung in anime, but it was a nice song, and seemed to fit the mood.
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Sep 14, 2014 15:54
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I'm still enjoying the show just fine. However, I do wish something would bring some joy to poor Lisa other than a brief moment of being totally comfortable with her own death.
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darkgray posted:There's something really weird about hearing your mother tongue being sung in anime, but it was a nice song, and seemed to fit the mood. What language was that? It was an awfully pretty song.
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Candy Dawn posted:What language was that? It was an awfully pretty song. Icelandic. Disclaimer: Technically it's not my mother tongue, but my mother's tongue. I never really learned to speak it myself!
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Sep 17, 2014 23:14
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I hope the balloon goes off how many episodes is this going to be?
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Sep 18, 2014 23:35
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SmokaDustbowl posted:how many episodes is this going to be? Next episode is the end. It's a noitaminA show.
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darkgray posted:Icelandic. Thanks, it's so pretty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnqSTzq6-w
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I don't know if it was just an animation error, but it was really disorienting when Five completely disappears right when the car blew up. There are like, 20 frames where you see a car explode with Five nowhere to be found, despite the shot being identical to the one before her fiery closeup. I wonder if the original plan was to have it gib her and it got cut out too late to reanimate.
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Daedalus1134 posted:I don't know if it was just an animation error, but it was really disorienting when Five completely disappears right when the car blew up. There are like, 20 frames where you see a car explode with Five nowhere to be found, despite the shot being identical to the one before her fiery closeup. I wonder if the original plan was to have it gib her and it got cut out too late to reanimate. Don't worry it'll be fixed in the DVD/Blu-ray release when it's out :v What a waste of a decent villain character and pointless love sub-plots can gdiaf. Really, all that time and no resolution at all? Is the USA going to go to war w/Japan now? Or Japan commits suicide by proxy? I guess, there is one more episodes and maybe a 5-10min epilogue if we're lucky. No hope for OVAs atm. SmokaDustbowl posted:I hope the balloon goes off I doubt it b/c it'd be one awkward way to kill the cast end w/a extremely dark theme and all. Well, that and it'd be kinda boring if everyone dies all at once from a story stand point. Alder fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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CCheshire posted:I doubt it b/c it'd be one awkward way to kill the cast end w/a extremely dark theme and all. Well, that and it'd be kinda boring if everyone dies all at once from a story stand point. Not only that but it'd be dumb as hell considering that Nine previously risked his life and the mission to diffuse the subway bomb to save innocent people. It would be pretty hard to come up with a good reason why nuking the city is a valid option, considering that. Though there's a good chance it could be another fakeout. Then again considering the direction the show has been taking, who even knows anymore.
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Srice posted:Not only that but it'd be dumb as hell considering that Nine previously risked his life and the mission to diffuse the subway bomb to save innocent people. It would be pretty hard to come up with a good reason why nuking the city is a valid option, considering that. Though there's a good chance it could be another fakeout. I'm seeing something along the lines of the balloon somehow gets high enough the detonation is mostly harmless and they just EMP Tokyo/Tohoku into the stoneage to prevent the government from stopping the release of some huge datadump of all the bad things the government had been up to. Or something like that.
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wait this isn't the cs:s thread
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How do people feel about the ferris wheel scene/sequence in episode 9? I thought it was pretty poignant and effective, even if largely through production quality, until 5 interjected. Still probably my highpoint of the show. Best episode between that scene, the conflict between 9 and 12, and the detective work.
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Sep 21, 2014 07:21
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ScottyWired posted:
cs:s is poo poo
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Sep 21, 2014 07:31
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Hocus Pocus posted:How do people feel about the ferris wheel scene/sequence in episode 9? Five just blowing them up after they spilled the beans would have been more in character, but I guess even in anime as profoundly stupid as this one the Americans can't just keep on destroying Japan.
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Hocus Pocus posted:How do people feel about the ferris wheel scene/sequence in episode 9? I thought it was pretty poignant and effective, even if largely through production quality, until 5 interjected. Still probably my highpoint of the show. Best episode between that scene, the conflict between 9 and 12, and the detective work. I think that scene was very well directed, which is good because if it wasn't it would have been hard to take seriously seeing as how it's the third episode in a row that Five tried to kill Lisa with a bomb.
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Srice posted:I think that scene was very well directed, which is good because if it wasn't it would have been hard to take seriously seeing as how it's the third episode in a row that Five tried to kill Lisa with a bomb. Hey, she got to spend her time being paid to do what she loved- trying to kill Lisa with a bomb. That's as good as life gets, really.
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Sep 21, 2014 19:16
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Hocus Pocus posted:How do people feel about the ferris wheel scene/sequence in episode 9? I thought it was pretty poignant and effective, even if largely through production quality, until 5 interjected. Still probably my highpoint of the show. Best episode between that scene, the conflict between 9 and 12, and the detective work. I thought we'd finally get a explanation about why Twelve betrayed Nine and hopefully it isn't the power of Love to redeem hatred or something. Um, Lisa ended up w/little to low character development during ep. 9. The only time she gains resolution is when she is ready to die so Sphinx can complete their plans instead. This is not really what I'm looking for in potential MCs usually they have some self-agency before the finale. Although the entire series is too short really to work on backgrounds stories other than the Athena Project subplot. So it goes.
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CCheshire posted:I thought we'd finally get a explanation about why Twelve betrayed Nine and hopefully it isn't the power of Love to redeem hatred or something. Except that is almost assuredly the reason? Twelve betrays Nine because he has moved beyond their original goals. Their terrorism was never about wanton destruction or overthrowing the government, it was a statement of being. A "single voice shouting into the storm", as it was put last episode. Twelve originally attaches to Lisa because he sees her as a kindred spirit, an abandoned soul rejected by the society that gave birth to her(it's not a coincidence that her father has long since skipped town). Twelve and Lisa find solace in their mutual isolation, and Twelve grows beyond the childish temper tantrums that Nine still clings to. Twelve embraces a tangible human connection to Lisa as his identity, rather than the abstract identity of Sphinx. You can see this reflected in Nine's relationship to both Five and Shibazaki, except that Nine's single-mindedness prevent him from actually making tangible connections to either of them.
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I would've found the ferris wheel scene a lot more poignant if I liked Lisa more as a character. Five was a missed opportunity, too. Still the best anime of the season for its music and direction, but it's let down by the script.
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Well, that was pretty meh. Nice production, at least.
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Loved the ending. Loved the show. Can't wait to get my hands on the soundtrack.
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I don't get people's beef with this show. That was pretty much resplendent. It ended more or less exactly how I figured it would, but I was honestly surprised with how well the show was able to tie everything back to its individual threads in the end.
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There were some great visuals and music, but the denouement was rather blah.
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Sep 25, 2014 21:27
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Wanna see that death toll after wiping a highly urbanized nation clean of all electronics. Must be in the high thousands.
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Grim Up North posted:Wanna see that death toll after wiping a highly urbanized nation clean of all electronics. Must be in the high thousands. It would be be waaayyyy higher than that. Quick internet search says there are around 400 000 people with pacemakers in Japan. Then there is everyone connected to or dependent on a machine to keep them alive (dialysis, ventilators etc). Then there are all the secondary deaths due to the complete shutdown of the healthcare, sanitation, communication and transportation systems in a nation of 127 million isolated on an island (all aid efforts must come in over sea to ports that will at least initially be offline). Billions of dollars of infrastructure and equipment would need to be replaced to get the country back on its feet. Not to mention the 10s of thousands rendered blind from staring into a nuclear fireball. But this is a show, so whatever. It was very pretty. MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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This entire show, for me, has been a great example of what happens when you give a really average script a fantastic treatment. Ending was a bit so-so, but at least it was tidy.
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I was really impressed by the ending. Did not expect the atomic bomb to actually go off, and in a way that makes sense to me. Best show of the season?
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Hocus Pocus posted:This entire show, for me, has been a great example of what happens when you give a really average script a fantastic treatment. Ending was a bit so-so, but at least it was tidy. Yeah, the direction was consistently top-notch but I felt that overall the script should have been a lot more tighter. I think if this was a movie instead of a tv series it would have worked out a lot better. Still not sure how I feel about the ending, was kinda unsatisfied by it but maybe it's the sort of ending I'll like more after thinking it through for a bit. Though I think regardless, the one thing I can say for certain is that Patlabor 2 is the better anime about terrorism 
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ETB posted:That closing song, man. If it helps, the lyrics "bless, bless, bless" mean "goodbye, goodbye, goodbye" in Icelandic.
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Redcrimson posted:I don't get people's beef with this show. That was pretty much resplendent. It ended more or less exactly how I figured it would, but I was honestly surprised with how well the show was able to tie everything back to its individual threads in the end. I get it, but at the same time I think that the show got way more flak than it deserved. It has it's faults for sure, five was a pretty meh character who wasn't nearly as well developed as she should have been for an antagonist to Nine and Twelve, and the beginning could have been a bit tighter, but all in all the show definitely is stronger than its faults. I think Watanabe's name just gives off too high of expectations to things and so shows with his name attached just get hit with a higher level of scrutiny. It's not a 10/10 show by any means, but it's definitely head and shoulders above the tons of cookie cutter crap that's out there, and still has tons of merit on its own.
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The show definitely has flaws, and Five was definitely an under-utilized character, but the show just articulates its ideas so well that it seems silly to bring them up. Yeah, the show falls apart if you parse it on a pure plot level. I feel like that's just an indication of the show being more interested in other goals though, not of actual incompetence. If the show not actually being about teenage terrorists doesn't click for people, then yeah, the show isn't really going to work for them.
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Redcrimson posted:I don't get people's beef with this show. That was pretty much resplendent. It ended more or less exactly how I figured it would, but I was honestly surprised with how well the show was able to tie everything back to its individual threads in the end. Animation: 8/10 OST: 8/10 Plot: 6/10 Characterization: 6/10 One of the main issues is how unbalanced the four protagonists ended up and how their interactions were awkward. We est. Nine and Twelve's relationship but I still feel that Lisa deserved better considering how she ended up being sidelined for 2/3 of the series. Although I thought she'd be the easiest to relate to considering well she is the more average compared to the others. The detective well we do actually get to meet his distant family which is nice because we rarely see them in these kind of series even if it was just for infodumps. He does find his own resolution and solves the entire govt conspiracy at least. @Love: It's fine to relate to someone's situation but at the same time it feels forced (yes I know 11 episodes). For example, Lisa ends up feeling like a metaphor for his lost childhood/inability to relate to people than a living person who he has a connection towards. Uh, not going to discuss about the questionable science going on w/everyone looking up into the sky during the explosion as it's been covered already. Almost forgot how once again USA shows up again to remind us who the real villain is
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Alder posted:
Here's the funny thing though The USA aren't the "real" villains. The show certainly can lead you to believe that, but they aren't. Nine and Twelve were the "villains" the whole time who wanted a spotlight shone on them and they did terrible things to do it. Five was technically the real villain here, and the shooting at the end was to cover up poo poo she did, which the USA guy kept saying the whole time she went overboard. I think the show did a good job of passing blame onto every character and group, and didn't portray the US as some snidely whiplash thing to me.
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A mediocre story with really stylish direction and animation. I guess experimenting on children is bad, terrorism is bad, the powerful will protect their interests/cover their asses and are bad also. Who would have thunk.  .I just came away a bit empty. Also, I really didn't like that Lisa was useless till the end, and was just there as an object for Twelve's love/reminder of humanity. She had the most interesting characterization in the first episode, and I feel that it was wasted.
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