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I was just having an argument with my mother about the Trayvon Martin case. She says that he was a thug and a gangbanger. I vehemently disagree. She said she would change her mind if I provided evidence that he was not, or evidence that George Zimmerman was a violent shithead. Could someone link me to a takedown of this talking point?
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:06 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 12:26 |
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I'm sorry but your mother was right. Trayvon wore a hoodie, so he was obviously a thug, which is barely removed from a rabid animal and thus needed violently put down.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:10 |
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being a thug and a gangbanger shouldn't merit the death penalty for the temerity of wearing a hoody, and being a violent shithead shouldn't merit an automatic void of the right to claim self-defence, so something has gone wrong in your argument already
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:11 |
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Well George Zimmerman shot an unarmed teenager, that's usually a pretty good sign of being a shithead.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:13 |
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Sorry OP, your mom is an incurable racist. Best course of action is to prevent your own children from associating with her.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:14 |
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I thought Trayvon Martin was a ghost not a gang buster
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:20 |
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she might have a gun, better shoot first
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:20 |
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Uh why don't you just ask her why she thinks he was a thug and a gangbanger? You're falling into the trap of letting people with horrible opinions push the burden of proof onto you. It legitimizes their viewpoint if you allow it and respond to it.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 06:32 |
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1 weird trick a MOM found to determine who lives and who dies! Thugs HATE it!
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 07:23 |
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There is a thread for asking D&Ders for debate advice/facts already, you could try posting there.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 07:39 |
He was a literal child op
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 08:08 |
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Exclamation Marx posted:He was a literal child op This point will not win an argument because it is being deliberately misleading.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 08:38 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:While you are technically correct (admittedly the best kind of correct), non-autists typically use the word "child" to refer to someone younger. By way of example a google image search for "black child" gives I know you're not from here, but "child" is actually the correct term to refer to youth under 18 for state and federal agencies with whom I work on a regular basis, hth The only reason to hem and haw about Martin being a child is to play into the idea that black male youth are intimidating.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 08:54 |
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SedanChair posted:I know you're not from here, but "child" is actually the correct term to refer to youth under 18 for state and federal agencies with whom I work on a regular basis, hth Good thing most people go by common definitions and not legal ones. Anyway, the best evidence of Trayvon Martin not having been a thug or gangbanger is that there's absolutely no evidence of Trayvon Martin having been a thug or gangbanger.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:01 |
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SedanChair posted:I know you're not from here, but "child" is actually the correct term to refer to youth under 18 for state and federal agencies with whom I work on a regular basis, hth Did you read my entire post? Be honest.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:03 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:Did you read my entire post? Be honest. I did; unless you're calling everyone in child welfare services autistic, you don't seem to have a point.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:07 |
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OP is arguing with his/her mother, not with his/her legal counterpart at court.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:09 |
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His mother's past saving though. He should just call Martin a child in front of her and let her make a fool of herself.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:11 |
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To what end? There is no audience of people to be shocked and appalled when his mum protests at the use of the word child. He doesn't win any PC Points to be redeemed for cash. It will achieve the opposite of what the OP wants. If someone asked if I would be afraid of an unarmed child, I would say no, because I would be picturing something like Which, oddly enough, is the same as the GIS result. At this point the oh-so-clever internet lawyer types triumphantly cry "aha! So there is no reason for anyone to be threatened by seventeen year old!" The reason most people get pissed at this argument is the Exclamation Marx's of the world know exactly what people picture when they hear the word child, and aren't arguing in good faith by using that word as opposed to a more descriptive one (teenager).
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:22 |
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I don't know if a page of almost entirely white kids is the slam dunk you think it is?
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:41 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:If someone asked if I would be afraid of an unarmed child, I would say no, because I would be picturing something like So we SHOULD be afraid of unarmed black kids/teenagers/young adults or whatever the gently caress will satisfy your shithead pedantry? You're a loving child. OP, you probably should have posted in this thread instead of making a new one.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:41 |
http://i.imgur.com/qLnKLLH.jpg e: oops didn't look past the Trayvon pic exmarx fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Jul 12, 2014 |
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 09:49 |
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What the gently caress tag and link that poo poo.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 10:09 |
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Carbon Tax is working really hard to justify why it is completely sensible for him to cross the street whenever he sees a 14 y/o Aborigine coming towards him. OP for the child definition thing to work ask her about the three Israelis kids who were killed last week first. Then when she is very likely all 'oh those poor children!' being up Trayvon again.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 11:11 |
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I didn't mention race at all you utter fuckwits. I'm just saying why, if the OP intends to convince his mother of something, this argument is a loser. Now I remember why I stopped reading this cesspool of SJW-ness. For the record I don't give a poo poo what the color of your skin is, I would be more intimidated by a 17yo white guy dressed as a thug then I would by a 17yo black guy dressed nicely. I'm sure D&D can twist that statement into making me a racist somehow.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 11:57 |
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List of poo poo Zimmerman has actually done: - Beaten and threatened to shoot his wife: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/09/nation/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-update-20130909 - Then his girlfriend: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/police-video-samantha-scheibe-george-zimmerman - Helped a family from an overturned SUV, only to be told they wanted nothing to do with him: http://gawker.com/george-zimmerman-just-saved-someone-from-a-car-accident-868879251 - made over 100k in 'painting' copies of royalty free vector images: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/12/george-zimmermans-painting-sold-for-100099.html - Regardless of George himself, His brother and father both are enormous racists: http://youtu.be/P6cfOSnRJj8 Also, you know, he shot the gently caress out of an unarmed teen while masquerading as neighborhood watch (he wasn't and had no right to be in the neighborhood, something every pro-zimmer person conveniently forgets). So, if this list doesn't work, IDK OP. Armani fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jul 12, 2014 |
# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:07 |
The Carbon Tax posted:I didn't mention race at all you utter fuckwits. I'm just saying why, if the OP intends to convince his mother of something, this argument is a loser. Now I remember why I stopped reading this cesspool of SJW-ness. Do you support gay marriage yet?
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:08 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:I didn't mention race at all you utter fuckwits. I'm just saying why, if the OP intends to convince his mother of something, this argument is a loser. Now I remember why I stopped reading this cesspool of SJW-ness. "For the record I'm a huge crybaby and totally not a racist because white youths scare me more than black ones for some inexplicable reason, why won't the D&D social justice warrior hivemind leave me alone?"
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:20 |
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/TAaZKXF.png[/url] GOATSE WAS HERE e: Hi Xylo, no hard feelings I hope (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) Xylo edit; Sup, AMU.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:30 |
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Ha haaaaa
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:37 |
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I'd agree that the Trayvon was a child argument is weak in the sense that it doesn't address the OP's mom's argument. These, Armani posted:List of poo poo Zimmerman has actually done:
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:54 |
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As long as the OP can get their mother to goatout.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 12:55 |
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When you lose arguments in real life you should be required to stretch your anus. Go and prove your mom wrong OP
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 13:03 |
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I think that The Carbon Tax just set a new record for fastest forum meltdown.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 13:50 |
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Why won't somebody stop the boats?
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 14:01 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:For the record I don't give a poo poo what the color of your skin is, I would be more intimidated by a 17yo white guy dressed as a thug then I would by a 17yo black guy dressed nicely. I'm sure D&D can twist that statement into making me a racist somehow.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 14:02 |
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SedanChair posted:I know you're not from here, but "child" is actually the correct term to refer to youth under 18 for state and federal agencies with whom I work on a regular basis, hth I think you're missing his point You're correct in saying Trayvon was a child. That's an inarguable fact. It's not being disputed. The mental imagery one associates with the word "child" is usually a person significantly younger than 17. So if you wanted to be more specific you'd say teenager or adolescent or something like that. Can we at least agree on that? e: oh hello goatman my old friend
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 14:09 |
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Engaging The Crybaby Tax's argument for even one moment, we're not trying to be specific, we're trying to convince some goon's racist mom that Trayvon Martin wasn't a thug and a gangbanger. For all intents and purposes, "child" is the superior nomenclature because it has pathos, and that's on top of being technically correct. I mean, ask Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin if they considered their 17 year-old son a child. OP, tell your mom that the burden of evidence isn't to disprove Trayvon Martin was whatever stereotype for black urban youth is roiling around in that vacuous head of hers, but to prove that he was one from the initial position of him not being whatever. In little kid terms, "innocent until proven guilty". As for establishing that George Zimmerman is a violent shithead, he's been charged with aggravated assault, domestic violence and battery as recent as winter of last year.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 14:29 |
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The Carbon Tax posted:e: Hi Xylo, no hard feelings I hope This thread has been a great success thus far.
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 14:53 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 12:26 |
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Astarath posted:I think you're missing his point How about now
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# ? Jul 12, 2014 15:46 |