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enraged_camel posted:Right, paying thousands of dollars makes sense, until you realize that the vast majority of that money goes to support an insane and xenophobic bureaucracy that is under a lot of pressure to turn as many people away as possible, even if they are qualified. Actually the whole thing with USCIS is that they're self funded by those fees - they didn't stop work during the shutdown but they're chronically understaffed.
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Jul 16, 2014 05:42
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on the left posted:The places where the queues are decades long are places where we've already taken in a disproportionate amount of immigrants, so even if we vastly expanded immigration, there's no real reason to cut lines in those countries. Immigration to the US shouldn't be just comprised of China, India, and Mexico. Well actually there's a pretty good reason why China and India should ideally be where a large part of your immigrants come from.
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Jul 16, 2014 15:49
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Talmonis posted:Gotcha. Yeah it isn't currently feasible to fund infastructure projects, but it would be if we cut military spending to a reasonable first world level, and raised capital gains taxes. Other first world military spending is subsidized by our own (specifically the Navy but also any other conflicts in which the US and Europe are involved).
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Jul 16, 2014 18:51
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:While I may not agree with on the left's stance on immigration, attacking his wife is uncalled for. It is absolutely understandable that he and his loved one would be upset that she is lawfully trying to enter the country and is stuck behind bureaucracy while immigrants who have illegally crossed the border are apparently being bussed to different towns in different states without the town's knowledge ahead of time and immigrants are not even required to attend their deportation trial. There was a story on MSNBC last night about a girl who went through Mexico to get to the US and was violently raped repeatedly on her travels here. Somehow I think his wife would prefer bureaucracy.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:07
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Nonsense posted:Not even this is a sure thing. My friend married his Canadian wife, and the agent involved in their case screwed them and she's not allowed in the country, and she already has a degree, and it wasn't like they had any kind of contingency plan, they assumed it would be a normal process considering this magical 'preference'. It's actually easier if you don't marry them until they come into the US, at least in terms of providing evidence to give them a visa.
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Jul 16, 2014 23:01
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icantfindaname posted:This is why it's significantly easier to get into Canada legally than it is the US? It's easier to buy a permanent residency to Canada but that doesn't help poor people that much.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:14
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Mercury_Storm posted:I agree with on the left. Immigrants are subhuman scum and we should be setting shrapnel landminds along with poisoned water bottles along the border. Perhaps, some sort of, how can I put it... final solution may be in order as well? Any path to citizenship is obviously one to many, they're all taking our jobs anyways right?! See, I too get my opinions from freerepublic dot com. 2/10, didn't mention the tire fire wall.
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Jul 17, 2014 02:22
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How about instead of deporting people and then fixing the immigration system you fix the immigration system and then work with people to actually be legally in the country?
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Jul 17, 2014 03:26
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on the left posted:You shouldn't do it for the same reason we shouldn't tell companies "Every 5 years we will have a tax evasion amnesty where you can settle with the government for 10% of what you owe". How about we fix the immigration system to be more fair, and spouses have to wait the same length as any other immigrant? Or is that suddenly unfair and too demanding?
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Jul 17, 2014 03:46
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on the left posted:Part of my family are illegal immigrants to the US, and they really should be deported. That the US hasn't done so is a mark against the immigration enforcement system. Do you mean the rapists or people you actually care about?
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Jul 17, 2014 04:33
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Cercadelmar posted:I'm wondering, how do you feel about the DREAM act? He's already said "great but we should be using Homeland Security to deport them before they stay here for five years". on the left posted:5 years is fine if we actively try to prevent people from being able to successfully stay in the country that long by enforcing the laws.
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Jul 17, 2014 06:53
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Jarmak posted:Clearly nothing has changed in the US in the last 100-200 years that might alter the effect of such a mass migration. Things that have changed: there are now less
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Jul 17, 2014 16:14
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Talmonis posted:You also don't see poor African Americans or Asian Americans in those positions, and it's due to the fact that they don't pay living wages for backbreaking work. The only reason they get away with pay that little, is because of the captive immigrant population who are unable to purchase insurance, and are typically living multiple families to a single apartment or house. If they didn't have the threat of deportation looming, and were able to be documented, that would be resolved and they'd need to be paid a lot more. Wages would go up as they should, and competition would increase for those jobs.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:40
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Amused to Death posted:
Yes, but they're much more evenly distributed than Asians (primarily in the West/California) or Black people (primarily in the Southeast). Plus this is ignoring the fact that average household and personal income of Asians are higher than any other group so it's far less likely that they'll be in manual labor anyway.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:53
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Talmonis posted:You're a citizen, you cannot lose your rights unless you're a criminal (who should also be able to vote). You can't expect a nation to accept a mass influx of new people who are incapable (or unwilling) of paying into the system enough to not be a cost burden. No other nation does so. The system is designed to take care of only so many people. Open immigration without restriction would see other countries dumping millions of the most desperate, disabled and handicapped on our shores to avoid paying for their care themselves. Yes, tying residency to employment when unemployment is between 7-12% is a good idea.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:19
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Talmonis posted:If we have mass unemployment, adding more people without jobs is a terrible idea. What you're proposing is that if anyone came to the country within 3 years of a recession they should pack up and leave.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:31
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Talmonis posted:And what you're proposing is paying for unemployed foreign nationals to live here at the expense of the employed. You'll validate the bullshit claims of every Tea Party racist around. The Tea Party racists are already validated because unemployed
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Jul 17, 2014 18:52
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mcmagic posted:Huh? WTH are you talking about? His argument was "we can't do this because otherwise Tea Partiers will feel vindicated in their complaints!" Tea Partiers already feel vindicated in their complaints.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:58
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