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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
Isn't Mercury covered in poison? Or is that Venus?

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

PostNouveau posted:

Isn't Mercury covered in poison? Or is that Venus?

Venus is a hell hole thanks to the thick atmosphere which ensures planetwide 1000F degree temps.

The only possible life on Venus would be in the atmosphere, floating high above that molten hell.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

redshirt posted:

Yes but more. There's a satellite above it right now proving there are areas of Mercury that are perpetually shaded and there's plenty of water ice in these locations.

dude...there ain't nothing but extremes and vacuum on merc, the moon has perpetually shaded ice too

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


possible options

1. aliens exist
1a. deem us too hilarious to kill because that would end their schadenfreude
1b. deem us too pathetic to live
2. aliens don't exist
2a. species that is the universe's peak in intelligence is the same that routinely struggles to come up with maximum 140 characters to describe their feelings on the latest episode of big brother

Every possible option is hilarious

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

dude...there ain't nothing but extremes and vacuum on merc, the moon has perpetually shaded ice too

There could be life on our Moon as well, since there is water. I believe life is galactic and occurs wherever there is water on a solid body - but maybe even water clouds in space.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

redshirt posted:

There could be life on our Moon as well, since there is water. I believe life is galactic and occurs wherever there is water on a solid body - but maybe even water clouds in space.

Look, I love nature and science as much as anyone but I think you've lost touch with just how astoundingly unlikely life is.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
colonize the sun

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

Look, I love nature and science as much as anyone but I think you've lost touch with just how astoundingly unlikely life is.

I believe in life my friend.

Bacteria will grow anywhere. Burning heat, freezing cold, mixed up in gasses, it doesn't matter: Life thrives.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Gazpacho posted:

colonize the sun

No blood for photons.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

redshirt posted:

I believe in life my friend.

Bacteria will grow anywhere. Burning heat, freezing cold, mixed up in gasses, it doesn't matter: Life thrives.

Yeah, once its there already. Do you think it started in those places?

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

Gazpacho posted:

colonize the sun

Dyson Sphere around the Sun.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
Dyson Swarm, differential torque would shred a sphere jesus how are you wrong about everything

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

Yeah, once its there already. Do you think it started in those places?

That's a big question, sure. I believe life spontaneously generates given the right conditions, but it can also be easily seeded via comets and space dust.

lonesomedwarf
Mar 22, 2010

pretty obvious we come from mars originally. cydonia, anyone? lol. there was an ancient war and there was a planet that got blowen up, now its the asteroid belt. then we hosed up that planet and went to this one. and we're doing a good job here too. read prison plant for more info dox.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

Dyson Swarm, differential torque would shred a sphere jesus how are you wrong about everything

We can quibble about schematics, or we can hash out the meaning of life.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
There isn't another planet.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

redshirt posted:

That's a big question, sure. I believe life spontaneously generates given the right conditions, but it can also be easily seeded via comets and space dust.

Okay you know what, this is a salient point. I'm of the opinion that things just haven't been ticking long enough for life to have spread all over the place it can and assumed you were advocating a position that life had arisen on all those lovely places.

If we find life elsewhere in the SS, I'll be more astounded if it isn't our cousins.

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls


Why would space be so huge just to have one planet with life on it? Doesn't make sense!

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

Okay you know what, this is a salient point. I'm of the opinion that things just haven't been ticking long enough for life to have spread all over the place it can and assumed you were advocating a position that life had arisen on all those lovely places.

If we find life elsewhere in the SS, I'll be more astounded if it isn't our cousins.

Yeah sure I wouldn't be surprised at all if we do discover some microbe in the ice of Europa and its DNA is perfectly compatible with ours. Then we discover the same on Mars, the Moon, asteroids, etc, and we come to realize life spread like dandruff over the entire SS.

But from what?

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

redshirt posted:

Dyson Sphere around the Sun.
you must be one of those small-thinking "practical" people, i'm talking manned station inside the photosphere

lonesomedwarf
Mar 22, 2010

guys, what if consciousness is a random cosmic accident and it has never happened anywhere before and we're the only self aware creatures anywhere ever. its horrib;le and terrifying

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

lonesomedwarf posted:

guys, what if consciousness is a random cosmic accident and it has never happened anywhere before and we're the only self aware creatures anywhere ever. its horrib;le and terrifying

well we'll never be able to know for sure will we?

life could always be the next galaxy over

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

Why would space be so huge just to have one planet with life on it? Doesn't make sense!

It's ridiculous actually. Considering we now think A. Basically every star has some number of planets and each of those planets will have some numbers of moons and B. We keep finding life in ever more extreme situations. Microbes that live 4 miles underground and eat rock.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
i like this thread so i bring youse guys this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxLAGchWnA

this poo poo is finally going up in 2018, cost/schedule overruns be damned

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
poo poo is like technology origami

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

i like this thread so i bring youse guys this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTxLAGchWnA

this poo poo is finally going up in 2018, cost/schedule overruns be damned

I just read an article about all the testing. And how the testing needs to be tested. And that needs to be tested. And it's testing all the way down.

Cuz there ain't no fixing the Webb once she's launched.

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

we were teh alien life all along... really makes ya think

lonesomedwarf
Mar 22, 2010

The Protagonist posted:

well we'll never be able to know for sure will we?

life could always be the next galaxy over

that's true

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

The Protagonist posted:

Look, I love nature and science as much as anyone but I think you've lost touch with just how astoundingly unlikely life is.
How do you know based off a sample size of 1? Getting the proper ingredients and environment for basic life isn't a herculean task; all you need are some of the most common elements and compounds in the universe, and some means of shelter against radiation and extreme weather. Complex, multicellular life and especially intelligent life are where things start to get comically difficult.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jul 17, 2014

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Negative Entropy posted:

How do you know based off a sample size of 1?

Negative Entropy posted:

Getting the proper ingredients and environment for basic life emerging is a herculean task

Granted I'm thinking about complex, self-reflective life in general but even a 'simple' self replicating molecule is beyond the pale when it comes to trying to imagine the possible outcome space of random energy in a vacuum

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

The Protagonist posted:

Granted I'm thinking about complex, self-reflective life in general but even a 'simple' self replicating molecule is beyond the pale when it comes to trying to imagine the possible outcome space of random energy in a vacuum

All I've been talking about is microbes. That form of life is common.

So called sentient life, otoh, is no doubt rare. What - once every 500 stars or so?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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how would young earth creationists react to alien life

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

Fojar38 posted:

how would young earth creationists react to alien life

Jesus Juice.

Or Jesus Seed.

Or the aliens are viewing Jesus through their weird alien eyes.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Fojar38 posted:

how would young earth creationists react to alien life

the same way they did to heliocentrism, the moons of Jupiter, geology, evolution, etc...

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

redshirt posted:

So called sentient life, otoh, is no doubt rare. What - once every 500 stars or so?

Once every 500 Galaxies or so would be a better bet.

Think about how rare it is here. In hundreds of millions of years of complex life Earth has had one instance of an advanced species capable of launching satellites and making internet porn, and there's a good argument to be made that intelligence could prove to be a fast track to a dead end. Sure we only have a sample size of one, but that one sample covers a lot of time.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

Fojar38 posted:

how would young earth creationists react to alien life
print more bibles

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Fojar38 posted:

how would young earth creationists react to alien life

Just more of Satan's tricks. That ol' rascal!

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

it's me

im the aliens

Donovan Trip
Jan 6, 2007
i hope they exist and make me live forever so i can just keep hangin out smokin weed

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Sekkira
Apr 11, 2008

I Don't Get It,
I Don't Get It,

A CRUNK BIRD posted:

Hm yeah it would only be the most important discovery in the history of the world if they were like a little closer. human being

100 light years is pretty loving close. Bur I'm not saying it'll be any less of an important scientific discovery just because the distances are impossible at this point in time. I'm saying as a general populous, we're not likely to see anything result from that discovery within our lifetimes unless they've been waiting and can cross that vast distance easily or we make some kind of ridiculously huge technological breakthrough.

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