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gregday posted:The Great Filter solution to the Fermi Paradox means we are probably hosed. This is true. But we can always hope that there's some really badass and cool-looking alien robots who will come and wipe us out as soon as they notice that we're one of those things that might spread through the whole galaxy if we're not stopped. Galactic antibodies would be a great way to die. I hope it's that, and not one of the really lame reasons, like "life just loses interest in exploring the galaxy because they eventually invent the internet and after that they are too busy jacking off".
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Jul 17, 2014 11:18
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Why is it taking so long to send something to Europa ? We landed a probe on Titan which is farther away. I like Mars, but it's getting too much the attention. loving scientists, I'm so mad right now 
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Jul 17, 2014 11:50
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Planetary protection advisory boards don't like the idea of landing anything anywhere there's stuff that is probably alive. Because we might accidentally kill it all. Serious.
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Jul 17, 2014 15:49
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goatface posted:Planetary protection advisory boards don't like the idea of landing anything anywhere there's stuff that is probably alive. Because we might accidentally kill it all. That's hosed up if true ! How are we supposed to find out then, astral projection ? Wouldn't Jupiter's intense radiation sterilize any spacecraft we send there ? kill you're neighborhood NASA scientist
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Jul 17, 2014 15:54
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humans came from mars.. woah
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Jul 17, 2014 15:59
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I don’t doubt that’ there’s life in the universe but I’m not interested in intelligent life. We need life we can eat.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:04
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We still do it. We land poo poo on Mars when we think there might be stuff alive there. You just have to argue it through another set of boards, and not include anything on the mission that might kill the hypothetical microbes, and sterilise everything before you launch it in the hopes of reducing bacteria to tens per square metre of surface (you can't do this, but you do a bunch of poo poo and hope it works well enough to satisfy people). Then, after ~10 years of planning and building and a few years in space, you get to Mars with your multi-billion dollar spacecraft and ton of lander and find that your loving detectors are contaminated anyway.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:08
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Decebal posted:That's hosed up if true ! How are we supposed to find out then, astral projection ? Wouldn't Jupiter's intense radiation sterilize any It's an issue of chemical contamination, not biological. There's no real risk of carrying smallpox to the new world when it's literally a new world. Terrestrial bacteria has evolved to interact with terrestrial organisms. The ending to War of the Worlds wouldn't happen because Earth germs aren't built to infect anything but Earth residents. There's pretty much zero chance of ever contracting or transmitting space aids. Contamination will gently caress up tests for local bacteria though, so it's still important to spray your probes with Lysol before launching. Lord Frankenstyle fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 16:08
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goatface posted:Planetary protection advisory boards don't like the idea of landing anything anywhere there's stuff that is probably alive. Because we might accidentally kill it all. Tell me this rule is called the prime directive
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Jul 17, 2014 16:10
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I for one feel so safe knowing the US Air Force is protecting our planet  
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Jul 17, 2014 16:10
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the bets part about aliens woudl be degradation of religion if you dont support looking outside this planet youre a loving selfish rear end in a top hat
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Jul 17, 2014 16:14
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1gnoirents posted:the bets part about aliens woudl be degradation of religion Naw. Finding aliens would just give the religious nuts a new enemy to fight against and claim they are being oppressed by. They live for that poo poo. Plus with the Republicans cannibalizing their own, and the way they're losing ground to the socialist fist of the homosexual agenda, they'd love to have an enemy to fight that's a thousand light years away and who don't speak the language. They'd finally have a battle they can pretend to be winning.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:36
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All these worlds are yours except Europa because U2 sucks rear end.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:36
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we are actually under a galatic nature perserve and the aliens dont want to communicate with a sapient species that just figured out nuclear weapons and cant even agree on not blowing each other up.
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Jul 17, 2014 16:49
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OMFG FURRY posted:we are actually under a galatic nature perserve and the aliens dont want to communicate with a sapient species that just figured out nuclear weapons and cant even agree on not blowing each other up. [citation needed]
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Jul 17, 2014 17:00
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Frankenstyle posted:Naw. Finding aliens would just give the religious nuts a new enemy to fight against and claim they are being oppressed by. They live for that poo poo. My own suspicion is that we are alone in the physical universe and that if something along these lines occurs it will be demonic or satanic in nature. Perhaps it will be a part of a final end times scenario. Perhaps they will “arrive” with tales of how we were really created, directly contradicting the Word of God. Regardless of any such claims, I urge one and all to trust the Bible, specifically the Jesus Christ of the Bible, more than you trust your own lying eyes or the other-worldly claims of aliens, political leaders, media, scientists, and even major religious leaders. We should remember that “the heavens attest to HIS glory.” Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
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Jul 17, 2014 17:24
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Is there a realistic chance that we'll see images/video from the Europa ocean in the next 20 years ?
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Jul 17, 2014 17:28
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Robo Reagan posted:personally i'm looking forward to the religious wars springing up for the massive outbreak of crises of faith I know a faith thats already prepared. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-says-he-would-baptise-aliens-9360632.html
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Jul 17, 2014 17:31
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Lawman 0 posted:I know a faith thats already prepared. A new species for priests to molest
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Jul 17, 2014 17:32
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SirEvelynTremble posted:A new species for priests to molest space crusades 
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Jul 17, 2014 17:41
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:I hope it's that, and not one of the really lame reasons, like "life just loses interest in exploring the galaxy because they eventually invent the internet and after that they are too busy jacking off". Unfortunately it's definitely one of the lame reasons: space is really, really, really big.
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Jul 17, 2014 17:43
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Decebal posted:Is there a realistic chance that we'll see images/video from the Europa ocean in the next 20 years ? No. There is a mission intended for Europa working its way through NASA - who knows if it will ever launch - but it's only intended to fly very close to Europa, not land. A landing is a long ways away simply because we don't have the tech yet to get through the ice surface without loving everything up. It would have to be some kind of nuclear drill that could heat up and sterilize the ice as it went down -- dozens of miles of the thickest ice you can imagine.
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Jul 17, 2014 17:55
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Can we all agree to stop pretending to be excited for the lovely life we all know is probably within space-reach? I won't be cheering until we at least find a space-cow or better. Edit- On reflection some microbe we could utilize to make space booze would be pretty awesome. reignofevil fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 18:17
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reignofevil posted:Can we all agree to stop pretending to be excited for the lovely life we all know is probably within space-reach? No way. Finding living microbes on another planet would be amazing, and open the doors to the greatest scientific theory of all time: PANSPERMIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
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Jul 17, 2014 18:19
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Fojar38 posted:how would young earth creationists react to alien life "Fascinating, you're an alien...I'd like to take a moment to talk about the one and only creator Jesus."
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Jul 17, 2014 18:24
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redshirt posted:No way. Finding living microbes on another planet would be amazing, and open the doors to the greatest scientific theory of all time: quote:Terrence McKenna 
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Jul 17, 2014 18:24
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What if we met cognizent aliens and they tried to tell us about their space Jesus?
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Jul 17, 2014 18:29
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redshirt posted:No. that's bullshit, man  Could they drop some uranium and then just follow the hole it melts in the ice ? If it can melt concrete at Chernobyl I'm sure it could go through some ice
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Jul 17, 2014 18:35
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keep sending robots to mars but also send one to europa gently caress sending people anywhere, thats stupid
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Jul 17, 2014 18:42
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redshirt posted:No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPCpNlVJBr8&t=82s I like to be optimistic about this mission and hope it gets there within 50 years. A big part of why I went into nuclear eng was to maybe have a hand in the design the nuclear drop weight. Also I don't think we have a very good idea about the thickness of the ice at all, it could be two miles or two dozen*. The ocean underneath might or might not be continuous I've heard too, so there's the danger of drilling down through ice into rock. That'd be pretty disappointing. *unless there's been more research out about this I haven't seen
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The Protagonist posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPCpNlVJBr8&t=82s The last I read about Europa is that there are pockets of much thinner ice, including subsurface lakes that interact with both the surface of the moon and the ocean below. These lakes are a far more realistic target than the global ocean, which is at a minimum under 10 miles of ice. The lakes are covered in places by less than a mile of ice.
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