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greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Hi, is this the right place to talk about LEGOŽ brand building blocks and also kill scum?

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greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

yay, I'm still in.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Sure, town are lego, scum are megablocks, 3p is a bear. Makes sense to me.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

kaschei posted:

Well apparently my clock is set to TOMORROW so it was indeed Friday. Which is probably even worse.

What's the problem with starting on a Friday?

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

apostateCourier posted:

##vote merk

Sup guys

apostateCourier posted:

Nah
##vote Asiina

Kidding

##vote Hal

apostateCourier posted:

Excellent point

##vote Asiina

CHOO CHOO ALL ABOARD THE TURBO TRAIN

Seems to me like you're just voting for anyone and you don't care if they're scum or not. You're just hoping that something sticks.

##vote apostateCourier

Also I am super tempted to post my uninformed thoughts about math education but I'm restraining myself.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Quidnose posted:

See, but that's not what you said. You said you dug the turbo AND you didn't see him acting in a towny manner. And now I'd like you to back up that second statement.

I read Hal as saying that he wouldn't have tried to turbo Foo if he'd done something notably townie, but since he hadn't Foo was fair game. That seems like a straightforward explanation to me (although i think the whole "rush of the turbo" thing is silly). I'm not sure what you're looking for, and this line of questioning seems like "hey everybody look I'm investigating" posturing that doesn't actually help clarify anything.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

At work, but I'll try to read through the new posts quickly and get a vote in. Foo looks like the only viable candidate to me and I don't want to no-kill, so I'll probably vote him when I get done reading but I want to see what's been said first.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

King Burgundy posted:

I think I'll start with Hal since Quidnose is a lot more active.

##vote Hal

What I really don't like about this (aside from the way you're just retelling merk's votes without adding anything about your own thinking explaining why you find them persuasive) is the way you're implicitly making a list of people to kill that we should start making our way through. And you're doing it without even really arguing against any of the people on the list.

##vote King Burgundy

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

King Burgundy posted:

Are you seriously telling me you don't make lists of people you think are potentially scummy as you read a mafia thread? Your reasoning seems pretty lame to me. But so be it.

I don't take issue with having a list of people you think are scummy (although this seems to be more of a list of people merk thought were scummy). I take issue with the mentality of "let's start with Hal, then we can move on to Quidnose". Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but this kind of linear plan with no real backing logic makes me suspicious.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

I thought aC looked bad day 1, and he hasn't done anything to change my opinion since then. I'm going to go back and re-read Asiina more carefully, but my initial take was that I didn't really follow her logic but her sentiment seemed genuine.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Asiina posted:

Okay real talk I'm just going to claim because I can't figure out how to use my role effectively. I've tried everything but you all suck, although in reality it's probably me who sucks.

I am a self-watcher. It's a passive ability where I watch myself to see if anyone came to visit me. I wasn't sure if I should claim ~power role~ to try to get a roleblocker on me or act scummy to try to get an investigation on me or be super extra helpful town to get a doctor on me.

But alas despite my best efforts D1 and D2 nobody loves me and nobody came to visit.

So yeah, I give up come visit me if you want I don't care anymore. I DON'T NEED ANY OF YOU!

Huh. That does sound hard to use for anything. I don't get why you claimed, though. There was always the possibility that scum would visit you and then lie about it, and you're throwing that possibility away for no real gain that I can see.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

King Burgundy posted:

As part of my reread tho:
Quid, you've been pretty quiet the last few days, what's up?
Asiina, you haven't really made any judgements of your own(at least that you've stuck to) yet, this is one of the reasons I've been thinking you are scum. Who do you think is scum and why?
Hal, your last thoughts about scum were that you were suspicious of Quid and Asiina, but you haven't actually voted in this game since the vote on Foo, sup?

On your reread, did you notice that yesterday when you were borrowing merk's reads, your top scum candidates were quid and hal? Since then, they both kept a low profile. Now it's a new day and you're borrowing fv's reads, with some bland faux-content questions for your reads from yesterday. None of this feels remotely sincere to me.

##vote king burgundy

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

King Burgundy posted:

This isn't actually true, GZ. The thing you are lying about is something I said to you directly, as well, which makes me even more sure you are scum.


This was my post from the 30th, like 3 days ago. Keep in mind I never voted Quid, all I did was bring up Merk's interests when he was night killed. And when you suggested I was trying to set up a lynch chain of Hal then Quidnose, I immediately responded with the above.

So, are you a liar? Or are you having problems with reading comprehension? I'm thinking 1.

For thoroughness, I'll be honest and say that Quid's sudden disappearance made me wonder, and I noticed he was pretty hot and heavy with both Opo and Merk, who were nightkilled. But after rereading all the exchanges, I'm still only seeing wrong town.

As to Hal, I still very much think he is scum, but I was trying to slow play it and give him a chance to hang himself if he was ever willing to post anything worthwhile. Thus, I prodded him.

Fair point about Quidnose, I forgot that you changed your position on him yesterday. In my defense, you sort of flipped over from having serious questions about quid to feeling pretty good about quid without any clear reason (at least not a reason that was clear to me). But the thrust of my argument still stands--your opinions and cases seem completely opportunistic to me since day 2.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

fiery_valkyrie posted:

GZ did you ever actually do that re-read before D3 started? I would like to know what your thoughts were.

I did! I re-read ac and asiina, since they seemed like the viable candidates.

The case on asiina seemed mostly focused on her "I think there are scum on this vote [that I'm also on]" post, which I agree doesn't look great. But I do remember somewhat agreeing with her point about the Foo turbo. My impression was that I would be ok with voting her and would definitely prefer her to a no-kill, but not my first choice. Her "self-watcher" revelation today has me leaning more towards town for her, mostly because it's so specific and not at all helpful for camouflaging scum night actions.

ac I read as likely scum who was throwing his vote around, then when called out decided to double down on random votes, maybe as an effort to seem like a wild card townie. Obviously not my best read in retrospect, but I felt ok about the prospect of hammering him. Of course, opop beat me to it.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

King Burgundy posted:

Man, I still think you are putting words in my mouth/lying about my positions. Can you quote where I felt THAT strongly about Quidnose that it seemed like this amazing sudden turnaround when I called him towney? You may want to pay attention to timestamps and the other relevant conversation at the time too. I'd appreciate it if you did the research this time rather then misremembering things(if that is what is really happening).

All I did was point out what our nightkilled cop had as positions in case it was relevant, and went ahead and threw my weight behind voting one of them. If you listen to just about anyone else they say that was some weak poo poo and had no merit or weight behind it. So for you to claim that it was this amazing witch hunt that I was on and then suddenly about faced is ridiculous.


Also, while rereading things to answer GZ, I read this quote again and it pissed me the gently caress off.

I feel like the only one still putting any effort into this thing while the rest of you loving spout off things that you can spend 10 seconds thinking of without doing any loving research.

If it isn't valued, gently caress you all, I'll stop wasting my god drat time on you fucks.

You're saying that I accused you of an "amazing sudden turnaround" and a "witch hunt" and asking me to justify those accusations, when what I said was "you sort of flipped over from having serious questions about quid to feeling pretty good about quid without any clear reason". I think you're mischaracterizing me pretty badly. I guess you could claim that your questions about quid weren't "pretty serious" but this seems like hair splitting to me.

Anyway, when I first read this post, my reaction was to think that my read is wrong and you're probably not actually scum, mostly because of how angry you're getting and how personally you're taking things. It doesn't feel made up to me. I didn't say anything at the time, probably because I didn't want to give up on my read, but that's no way to play.

##unvote

Now I'm not sure where I'm at. I don't know wtf to make of kaschei's case on opop yesterday. I kind of assumed it was an inside joke that was going over my head. The point about the convenience of asiina's claim coming only after we lost the cop and doc has me wondering. If it was meant to throw people off of her, it did at least deflect me and burgundy. I'm suspicious of Quidnose (his D1 posting reads like a wall of noise to me) but there's not a lot to go on. Still, I think he's my best candidate.

##vote quidnose

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Quidnose posted:

Yeah, Zebu calls me out as marginally suspicious once and then never mentions me again, and never comes back to that beyond "I had a wall of noise." And his vote on me is waffling to the extreme. "I mean, I don't think he's scum, but I don't really have any other people, so vote." Lazy.

##vote Zebu

not sure how you got "I don't think he's scum" from "there's not much to go on", which is what I actually said.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Yet you voted based on "there's not much to go on"

I thought he seemed scummier than anyone else. There isn't much to go on because he barely posted anything after a giant flurry on D1. I think that looks pretty bad. Directing a show is a legit excuse, but I didn't know that at the time.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

fiery_valkyrie posted:

So he has a legit excuse but you didn't remove your vote?

Do you still think he is scum?

What? He has a legit excuse for inactivity, but that sure as hell doesn't make him town. I'm an easy target because I changed my tune on kb, but I'd rather be blamed for waffling than try to stand behind a case I don't believe any more. Quid just waltzed in and decided to capitalize on my change in position, blatantly misquoting me in the process. He also laid down a nice "Hal has too many words" backup plan in case that didn't work out. I'm fine with my vote where it is.

greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

Thanks Poque! Congrats town and good job fv on finding us out.

I'm not sure I have the constitution for forums mafia--I found it incredibly stressful to play as scum over the course of a week or more. It's pretty easy to do for an hour or two when you're playing in person, but way harder over the course of a forums-length game.

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greatZebu
Aug 29, 2004

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Hey GZ. Congrats on your first scum game, I thought you did pretty well actually. I wasn't suspicious of you at the start.

It can be stressful as scum. That's what hanging out talking rubbish in scum docs is for. At least, that's how I cope with it.

Thanks :) I think it also gets easier once you've played a few more games and know the people you're playing with. It's a little tougher when you haven't met the other players and you only have text to communicate.

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