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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Name white people bands ITT. Neutral Milk Hotel. Wilco. The Arcade Fire. Modest Mouse. Vampire Weekend. The Beatles. The Rolling Stones. The Elvis Costello. David Bowie. Better Than Ezra. The Pretenders. 10,000 Maniacs. Beethoven.

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

America. Kansas. Europe. Asia.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Maoist Pussy posted:

Another superbad era was the whatever that post-alt-effeminate-fratboy thing was with like Dishwalla and Blue Something and Better Than Ezra and Three Doors Down. Holy gently caress was that poo poo forgettable.
The mid-late 90s were not a good time for rock music.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

i'd put three doors down more in the staind/nickelback camp than 90s alternative wuss rock tbh
Might have been thinking of Third Eye Blind, who are just Matchbox 20 in hats.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Rob Thomas, the dude from Matchbox 20, went on to have a solo career for some reason.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Semisonic and Fastball have never been photographed together.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

that song with him and carlos santana was the worst thing to come out of the 90s

literally, the worst thing
Fun fact: Today, that Thomas/Santana collaboration is known as Maroon 5.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Maoist Pussy posted:

You take that back.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Name white people bands ITT.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Pearl Jam are to blame for every lovely thing to happen to rock music in the last 20 years.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

One of Eddie Veder's main inspirations.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Easily the least lovely of the early-90s adult contemporary rock bands. Then again, when your competition is the Wallflowers, Counting Crows, and loving Dave Matthews that's not hard. At least the lead singer had the good grace to actually drink himself to death instead of just singing about it.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

You know what band nobody talks about anymore? Travis.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

SwizzBuzz posted:

Any band that plays on the butt rock stations basically.
Butt Sabbath
BUTT
Motorbutt
Butt Purple
Butts and Roses
Twisted Butt
Styx

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

The Vines.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

John Yossarian posted:

What ever happened to The Verve Pipe? They were a kickass band, yo.
They changed their name to Fastball.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

311, Sublime, Maroon 5, Santana, Red Hot Chili Peppers

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

The Foo Fighters/Nickelback feud is like the Killers/Green Day feud.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Dave Grohl should have been in Pearl Jam rather than Nirvana, he would have been much happier.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

if you can't enjoy nirvana you don't deserve to have an opinion on music
Agreed, I love Mumbles Sadface the good music guy.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Remember when everyone said that grunge saved us from hair metal? I think we should go back to hair metal.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Other bands that suck: U2, anything involving people from U2, Coldplay (for sounding like U2).

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Producers of the grunge era were way worse because they were Steve Albini and I loving hate that guy, so nice work whoever's pushing the buttons that make the Katy Perry songs go.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

if you can get past the goon kneejerk "what is this 'pop' trash" dr. luke and max martin are legit wizards
I always feel like pop producers should just make their own music instead of shackling themselves to terrible artists, but then I remember that they make millions of dollars.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Please don't defend Soundgarden.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

I'd say they were the worst of the grunge bands, but that's a tough race, especially if we count late-period pseudogrungy stuff like Silverchair or Candlebox.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Maoist Pussy posted:

I thought you were cool, man.
"I hate Nirvana!" "Soundgarden is real good." -- An Morone.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

zVxTeflon posted:

its b cause they are prob ugly and noone wants to look at how ugly they are
Have you seen Tool?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Or The Arcade Fire?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Sunset Rubdown, New Pornographers, Swan Lake, Frog Eyes, the Canadian indie world is very incestuous.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

don't forget broken social scene and metric and stars

(although they're definitely not nickelback-tier)
Do you think Spencer Krug shows up at other bands' studios and they have to kick him out before he starts playing keyboard riffs.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LifeSizePotato posted:

wimpier postal service
Impossible.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Is it too late to nominate "I'll Follow You Into The Dark" as Worst Song of the 2000s?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Say Nothing posted:

Most of the bands listed here have had at least one good song, some many.
But I can't recall Nickelback ever having even one hit. Am I wrong here? How did they get famous?
They have tons of hits, they were for a long time the biggest rock act in America.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

This was their first hit.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Bush did 9/11 because everybody stopped buying their albums.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Cannot Find Server posted:

nickelback's breakthrough album was released on 9/11. not even making GBS threads you. there's poetry in that.
The Day The Music Died

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

sports posted:

Weezer is really poo poo. Rivers Cuomo is another one of those whitenoise shower singers.
Weezer reminds me over and over again of the Sonic the Hedgehog games, a franchise whose early great material is fast shrinking in comparison to the reams of poo poo that followed, yet whose fanbase continues to chug along dementedly, muttering things like "return to form" and "on the right track".

Back to the Shack (along with Memories from the last Weezer album) reminds me specifically of Sonic 4 and Sonic Generations, games which explicitly acknowledge that the old Sonic was the good Sonic but completely fail to match their quality. It's a nostalgia trap. Back to the Shack is extra insulting because it purports to apologise for the years of poo poo but sounds exactly like more poo poo. Oh, and it's also insulting because it includes the line "I forgot that disco sucks", as if that isn't a politically loaded statement now, and as if that's what Blue/Pinkerton fans believe.

Has there ever been a quality drop-off for a band more severe and more sustained than Weezer's? Seriously, any contenders? Liz Phair maybe?

Here's the deal with Weezer: it's a cult of personality.

Rivers Cuomo is one of the most fascinating people in music, because he's a tragic figure. I mean that in the classical sense, the Shakespearean sense: his downfall was inevitable. On the Blue album, he wrote smart, catchy, goofy songs about being into DnD and Kiss and made it seem hip; cue legions of fans. On Pinkerton, he turned confessional poet, opened his heart, and got burnt, badly. By the time the world had retconned Pinkerton into a masterpiece, Cuomo was already damaged goods, determined to never write a song that said anything ever again. (That was explicitly his mission, by the way: in the Pinkerton Diaries, he actually writes that.)

If you really dig deep into Weezer, there's a lot to chew on, particularly with Pinkerton, which is an amazingly rich work: the classical influences, the Japan stuff, the titular metaphor. Then you get into the mythology behind it: the abandoned Songs from the Black Hole album, Cuomo's struggles with fame and success, his attending Harvard effectively in disguise. Then the subsequent commercial failure, Matt Sharp's leaving, and Cuomo's psychological and artistic plunge are as much a part of Pinkerton as the album itself. It's a complete saga, a rise and fall, a tragic hero.

To the hardcore Weezer fan, every time they hear the last words of Pinkerton - "I ain't never coming back, I'm sorry" - they taste the poo poo of Raditude. They knew he wasn't lying. But they've bought into the cult of personality, and they continue to hang on his every word, because by this point his downfall is an essential part of the cult, like George Lucas. It makes Pinkerton all the more valuable and perfect.

None of this is a criticism of fans, by the way. I'm one of them.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Nobody remembers they exist.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Crow Jane posted:

Franz Ferdinand
Sorry, this isn't the Talking Heads thread.

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Also the Strokes are just a really lovely version of Spoon, and who the gently caress wants to rip off Spoon?

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