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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:treating people in ways that make them uncomfortable and justifying it with "well, I'm not breaking the law", hm, yes, this is a way for an adult to behave again its the fault of the person who dressed themselves because they put themselves in that situation, why can't goons understand that people are responsible for their own actions.
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dontcareaboutname posted:again its the fault of the person who dressed themselves because they put themselves in that situation, why can't goons understand that people are responsible for their own actions. this is pure solipsism and i guess we're gonna have to cut a hole in your head for you to acknowledge anything outside of yourself
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Jul 28, 2014 16:50
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stop applying your cis norms to me.
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Given that America is so fat I feel this is a good representation.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:52
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That's not fat. That's curvy. Would.
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Effectronica posted:this is pure solipsism and i guess we're gonna have to cut a hole in your head for you to acknowledge anything outside of yourself nothing wrong with holding adult responsible for their choices. Unless you think everyone should be treated like children.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:52
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dontcareaboutname posted:again its the fault of the person who dressed themselves because they put themselves in that situation, why can't goons understand that people are responsible for their own actions. so naturally the nerdos at comicon should be responsible for not comporting themselves like greaseballs, imo
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paranoid randroid posted:so naturally the nerdos at comicon should be responsible for not comporting themselves like greaseballs, imo no see behaving like that is totally unavoidable. nerds don't possess free will, they're just black boxes where food goes in and groping comes out.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:53
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paranoid randroid posted:so naturally the nerdos at comicon should be responsible for not comporting themselves like greaseballs, imo yes, but since its both groups fault they should both be faulted, and both parties should be blamed equally.
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dontcareaboutname posted:again its the fault of the person who dressed themselves because they put themselves in that situation, why can't goons understand that people are responsible for their own actions. This argument would make more sense if how you were dressed actually determined the level of harassment you received AND if this affected both men and women instead of almost exclusively women. What you're saying is women have to be responsible for how they dress because men cannot be responsible for how they act.
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dontcareaboutname posted:nothing wrong with holding adult responsible for their choices. Unless you think everyone should be treated like children. so people are compelled to rudeness? this is something that would cut both ways if gbs hadn't decided that tits prevent men from thinking
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go to a place filled with people that obsess over movies and comic books and are surprised that they stare at you in your underwear in public lmbo
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dontcareaboutname posted:again its the fault of the person who dressed themselves because they put themselves in that situation, why can't goons understand that people are responsible for their own actions. okay there's no way you actually think this, if you did you wouldn't have worded it in a way that emphasised the irony so much Trixie Hardcore posted:What you're saying is that the problem isn't men thinking it's okay to harass & molest women but is actually women having the audacity to be in public where men can harass & molest them. Like, if I don't want a man sticking his hand up my skirt then I shouldn't be wearing a skirt in public is your reasoning or rather, since I've been groped while being covered neck to foot in fabric I should have known better than to go in public if I wanted to have control over how I'm treated. no he'd probably agree with you that you shouldn't be groped while fully clothed, and I'm betting he'd agree that you shouldn't have a hand put up your skirt. he thinks basically what I said, which is that he feels his rules about which rights you forfeit by wearing certain types of clothing should apply to you because ????.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:54
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this wouldnt be a problem if the entertainment industry stopped featuring attractive female characters. then there would be no one to dress up as
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was gonna say something mean but I guess Capt. America was already barely person shaped so whatever.
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dontcareaboutname posted:if you are in public people can take pictures of you for any reason. and people are free to call you a perv and shame you if you do it with out their permission. These girls (AND men) are saying they are not comfortable with having photo's taken of them without their permission. Do you think they are wrong in those feelings and they should just silently allow these unwanted photo's to be taken? Also, since it seems you aren't ironically being a terrible person, do you think women deserve to be raped if they dress they way the rapist likes? If not, how is your line of thought different? dontcareaboutname posted:If you are in public, people can take pictures of you all they want. If you don't want unwanted attention in public places don't do anything that would draw attention to yourself. At what point does a woman stop being an object?
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Jul 28, 2014 16:55
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if you're allowed to dress skimpily why shouldn't I be allowed to stare at it? rights apply to everyone not just the group you think should get them
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Things that are ok: -Taking a picture of someone dressed in a costume without their consent (assuming this is of course a public place like a comic con) -Looking at someone dressed in a costume without their consent Things that are not ok: -Shouting inappropriate things to someone dressed in a costume without their consent -Touching someone dressed in a costume without their consent ---- This poo poo aint hard you nerds.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:55
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they just jealous the hotter girls getting all the attention lol
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Jul 28, 2014 16:56
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It specifically mentions something like sneaking a pic when a girl is bent over, stuff that is weird and rude even given the costume situation. Is it too much to ask to just tone this poo poo down a little bit? Like maybe start with not ninja-photo shooting girls' asses? Probably.
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Jul 28, 2014 16:56
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taking pictures of anyone without their consent is hosed up cat-calling someone is hosed up doesn't matter what they're wearing, or what they look like hope this helps
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Jul 28, 2014 16:56
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And yet pictures of actual superheros are just fine and make copies of Daily Bugle sell like hotcakes.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:alright ladies let me tell you what the acceptable amount of sexual harassment is based on how you look
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ArtIsResistance posted:if you're allowed to dress skimpily why shouldn't I be allowed to stare at it? rights apply to everyone not just the group you think should get them you are allowed to, idiot. It would behoove you not to be a creepy loser for various reasons though.
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Trixie Hardcore posted:This argument would make more sense if how you were dressed actually determined the level of harassment you received AND if this affected both men and women instead of almost exclusively women. What you're saying is women have to be responsible for how they dress because men cannot be responsible for how they act. how you dress does determine your level of harassment of the way your are dress violates societal norms, and to what degree. It effects women more because they tend to actively choose sexy costumes, where that isn't appropriate. actively violating societal norms in public has consequences.
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ArtIsResistance posted:if you're allowed to dress skimpily why shouldn't I be allowed to stare at it? rights apply to everyone not just the group you think should get them nobody's saying that the femstapo should come by and peg people to death for leering. people are saying that you should refrain from being an rear end. if you feel that your rights are being diminished by this, grow up you infant
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when a picture of me i didn't explicitly approve ends up on facebook, i scold my friends for being rude and insensitive to my privacy and feelings now i don't have any friends
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everythingWasBees posted:taking pictures of anyone without their consent is hosed up you are pretty much on video at all times in any major public city
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Jul 28, 2014 16:58
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I think this could all easily be avoided if we changed comic con to cat party con, and everyone paid for a cat "avatar" to be sent to the con in their place, and then observed the cats through web cams placed around the convention center doing their cat things. e: can cats consent to this level of observation though?
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Shnag posted:and people are free to call you a perv and shame you if you do it with out their permission. These girls (AND men) are saying they are not comfortable with having photo's taken of them without their permission. Do you think they are wrong in those feelings and they should just silently allow these unwanted photo's to be taken? again, they put themselves into a situation through their own choices that led to them being made uncomfortable, women that objectify themselves will be treated as an object, same as men.
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NotWearingPants posted:But what if I want to grope? If I ask first she will probably say no and now she's got her guard up making it more difficult to sneak one in. Ask her, and if she says no, continue asking other women until one says yes. Odds are good she will consider going further than just groping because she apparently finds something about you attractive. Instead of wasting time making women uncomfortable, you have now had sex. Congrats on not being a creeper who creeps on disinterested women 
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dontcareaboutname posted:how you dress does determine your level of harassment of the way your are dress violates societal norms, and to what degree. It effects women more because they tend to actively choose sexy costumes, where that isn't appropriate. lol at the idea of societal norms and a loving comic convention
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whatis posted:when a picture of me i didn't explicitly approve ends up on facebook, i scold my friends for being rude and insensitive to my privacy and feelings so how often do you openly leer at people's tits on the subway? after all, you've got a right to do so!
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In my interpretation of the manga the entire reason Sailor Mars wears a skirt is because she loves it when strangers try to fingerbang her in a crowd so obviously, officer, I assumed the young woman dressed as Sailor Mars was a fan of the manga and any true fan would enjoy RPing their character.
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by dontcareaboutname's logic, I'm entitled to some serious gropage at the beach, pools, and strip clubs. God drat fascist bouncers, if she didn't want me to touch her why was she giving me a lap dance?
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everythingWasBees posted:taking pictures of anyone without their consent is hosed up If you're in a public space, specifically designed to display yourself, consent is implied in the picture you take. If you don't want unsolicited pictures of yourself, don't wear a costume to the costume event. And no this isn't a rape analogy.
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Effectronica posted:so how often do you openly leer at people's tits on the subway? after all, you've got a right to do so! yes that is exactly the scenario i discussed in my post, 100%
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hemale in pain posted:i've dressed up as darth vader and people are taking pics of me? WTF?? *takes upskirt of ur space panties* heheheheh sweeeeeeet
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dontcareaboutname posted:again, they put themselves into a situation through their own choices that led to them being made uncomfortable, women that objectify themselves will be treated as an object, same as men. And men are being made aware of how their actions make women feel unsafe and grossed out. So now, when those men continue doing the same actions over and over again, they are putting themselves into the situation of being called out as rude, gross people who don't care about making other adults uncomfortable. What's the problem? Men who act like creeps will be treated as creeps (and this includes being publicly called out as creeps).
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