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It does kinda undermine the jubilation at "just this once everybody lives" if deus ex machina keeps making everybody live.
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mind the walrus posted:Which itself is also very funny because there's an apocryphal quote in the ether about how in OldWho the Doctor was there for the kids and the companions were "something to keep Dad from changing the channel." I don't know how risque they companions actually were, especially because they seem very tame through a modern lens, so if anyone out there knows I'd love to hear about it. Someone post zoe-on-the-console.gif, please.
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Aug 21, 2014 03:51
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ikanreed posted:It does kinda undermine the jubilation at "just this once everybody lives" if deus ex machina keeps making everybody live. Just give me ANOTHER day like this. Everybody lives again, Rose! For the 35th time, everybody LIVES! Also, seeing the Face of Boe in this episode, I got the feeling they set up a plot thread without any idea what they would do with it.
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Aug 21, 2014 04:01
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I can't find the quote I'm looking for, but Peter Davison often (mostly jokingly) lamented that he could be the best actor in the world and still be upstaged by Nicola Bryant's... wardrobe.Independent interview posted:
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Aug 21, 2014 04:03
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Just give me ANOTHER day like this. Everybody lives again, Rose! For the 35th time, everybody LIVES! Which is amazingly silly given how scripts for the entire season are usually drafted before any given episode starts shooting.
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Aug 21, 2014 04:03
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Well you missed a very important plot point that Cassandra, while occupying Rose, tells you that Rose is a chav dimwit so that explains why she's so dumb.
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Aug 21, 2014 04:07
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I don't agree with you all the time, Oxx, but you actually have the right heart when it comes to enjoying Doctor Who. When it tries to be dark, horrifying, or morally ambiguous, it frequently misses the mark, but when it's all bombast and tongue-in-cheek, it's really endearing. The "let's poor all the medicines together!" stuff wouldn't have been nearly as annoying if they didn't want us to take it so seriously. I think they pull the Rose-Cassandra-Doctor switcheroo purely because Billie Piper was bored of playing Rose and wanted something else to do, and knowing RTD, the choice to splash Rose's cleavage around was more well-intentioned than under a different producer, but yes, it's a bad decision. I remember liking the Doctor's obsession with shops and Tennant's choice to immediately latch on to the whimsy part of the role, but his shouty indignant parts feel like he's mad at the script more than anything else, and we can't help but to join him. e: Also, the Face of Boe is cool.
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Doctor Who "New Earth" Series 2, Episode 1 The first time I saw this episode, I hadn't known that The Christmas Invasion was the actual follow-up to the Series 1 finale. So one minute I got Rose looking all horrified at Eccleston's transmogrification into a skinny Scottish muppet, and the next they're lying in the grass making goo-goo eyes at each other. Suffice to say I was a little put out. "New Earth" fared a lot better on a rewatch for me, if only because it felt, first and foremost, like an excuse for our main cast to goof off for the better part of 45 minutes. A quick glance at Wikipedia showed that this episode was created because Billie Piper asked Davies for a script where she could be "funny," and Davies' inscrutable Welshman brain took that request and turned it into "return of that posh skinflap-woman no one likes, except now she's a body snatcher." The Cassandra brain-surfing gimmick is completely gratuitous and always fighting the main plot for attention, but Piper, Tennant, and Chip's actor Sean Gallagher deserve a healthy round of applause for playing off their possessions so well that their original personalities and their Cassandra-jacked ones really do feel like totally different characters. Rose leers and flounces her way around the sets as though Cassandra is completely giddy to finally be touching things again, Tennant cranks up the camp to frankly irresponsible levels, and Chip's sassy little hand-on-hip pose right before he collapses was an excellent piece of body language. It's hard for me not to imagine the actors having an absolute blast with this episode (Piper certainly was, you can clearly see her corpsing when Doctor-Cassandra starts to creep on her), and it provides a nice opportunity for our two main characters to flex their skills a bit before diving into the rest of this season. Beyond the performances, "New Earth" is about as mixed as a bag can get. The Cassandra plot is always jostling for attention with the disease-carrier plot, which eventually turns into a zombie story that is cured by hugs. Cassandra herself gets a surprisingly pat and poignant send-off, despite having done precious little to warrant it besides not being such a murder-happy racist trampoline for five minutes. The carrier plot is presented with a fair degree of body horror, but it's still a bunch of sick zombie-clones being experimented on by a covenant of cat-nuns. Even the special effects are all over the place - the New New York backdrop is quite nice and the makeup jobs for the cats, the carriers and the Duke of Manhattan are excellent, but then you get duds like the Matron's ridiculous fall down the ladder or the pasted-on spread of contagion across people who touch the carriers. The Doctor howls his head off about the disposable, pain-wracked carriers, and meanwhile Rose is all but licking her chops over his shoulder before knocking him out with a spray of perfume and being threatened by the rather stubby claws of a cat-nun. And, this bears repeating, the infection was cured by hugs. I heard somewhere that there was supposed to be a different ending to this episode that was chopped out for either time, money, content, or a combination of the three, and I can believe that, because the resolution here is half-assed even by Rusty's standards. However, the actual ending for this one consists of Cassandra's final moments, which makes for one last bit of whiplash to cap off a rickety-assed rollercoaster of a script. Divorced from the context of Cassandra's last appearance, her demise is both emotional and quite clever - Chip-Cassandra was the last person to call actual-Cassandra beautiful, which suggests that Cassandra died finally able to care about herself for who she actually was rather than paring down her body to a sheet, body-jacking other people, and sneering at the "mongrels" who wouldn't do so the whole time. On the other hand, the other party guests' tentative, slightly embarrassed reaction for Cassandra's compassion for her dying future self provides a hint that this is why other humans weren't quite so sociable with her from that night onwards, which could have prompted Cassandra to begin her plastic-surgery bonanza in the first place. It's a rather clever little statement on the vital and yet self-destruction push-me pull-you of human interaction, at the conclusion of a personal arc where the redemptive moment was a moment of empathy for someone who'd "never been touched" - or it would have been if, again, that "someone" wasn't a disease zombie who'd been cured by a hug. Davies has self-sabotage down a science. I'm not going to make any statements on Rose's surprise guest star Rose's Cleavage or any of Occ's other feminist implications; that stuff bores me to tears and there's always ten thousand other people ready to talk about it anyway. "New Earth" is in the end a terribly silly episode redeemed from being merely terrible by the giddy mucking-about of its actors, which, for a Davies episode, is the best that one can reasonably hope for. If this ridiculous scenario really was borne from Piper asking Davies to let her actually act for a change, she should have asked more often.
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mind the walrus posted:Which itself is also very funny because there's an apocryphal quote in the ether about how in OldWho the Doctor was there for the kids and the companions were "something to keep Dad from changing the channel." I don't know how risque they companions actually were, especially because they seem very tame through a modern lens, so if anyone out there knows I'd love to hear about it.
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Oxxidation posted:which suggests that Cassandra died finally able to care about herself for who she actually was rather than paring down her body to a sheet, body-jacking other people, and sneering at the "mongrels" who wouldn't do so the whole time. Ehhh. What I took from that moment is that the super-egotist Cassandra gets to have one final moment to reassure her ego. It's an ending as confused, morally, as Boom Town.
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Aug 21, 2014 08:56
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Look on the bright side! New Earth was Cassandra's last appearance so we're done with her now. We've got bold new depths of stupid antagonists to move forward onto!
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Aug 21, 2014 10:32
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Toxxupation posted:Cassandra O'Brien is and was a lovely, terrible character on Doctor Who. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that the worst action figures exist, yet:  
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Aug 21, 2014 14:16
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Is it wrong I enjoy Occ's pain as it's better then pretty any tv that's been on this summer. This episode is also one of the sexier moments of Billie Pipers career despite having played a hooker.
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Aug 21, 2014 15:07
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sbaldrick posted:Is it wrong I enjoy Occ's pain as it's better then pretty any tv that's been on this summer. Either you haven't seen manhattan, or thank you
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Aug 21, 2014 15:12
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Toxxupation posted:Either you haven't seen manhattan, or thank you I thought you were addressing his second sentence for a moment, and got very confused.
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Aug 21, 2014 15:22
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Gaz-L posted:I thought you were addressing his second sentence for a moment, and got very confused. Haha, same.
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Aug 21, 2014 15:24
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Toxxupation posted:Either you haven't seen manhattan, or thank you I have seen Manhattan, and like the Knick, Married and Your the Worst it has a massive flaw that kind of lessens the enjoyment. Your pain in watching NuWho and LMS however just keeps on going.
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sbaldrick posted:This episode is also one of the sexier moments sbaldrick posted:sexier moments sbaldrick posted:sexier 
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Aug 21, 2014 23:03
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I'm genuinely surprised Tennant never did this.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I'm genuinely surprised Tennant never did this. For second it made me think I had missed an RTD era Who!
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Aug 22, 2014 13:40
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What's it from anyway? Some Doctor Who fan series or something?
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Captain Fargle posted:What's it from anyway? Some Doctor Who fan series or something? Guys we did it we found the one guy on the internet who doesn't know what brazzers is
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Aug 22, 2014 14:29
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Toxxupation posted:Guys we did it we found the one guy on the internet who doesn't know what brazzers is I, too, do not know what brazzers is. What is brazzers.
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Oxxidation posted:I, too, do not know what brazzers is. What is brazzers. A fun site for happy people.
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Aug 22, 2014 16:14
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Oxxidation posted:I, too, do not know what brazzers is. What is brazzers. A porn website conglomerate.
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Aug 22, 2014 16:16
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SalTheBard posted:A porn website conglomerate. That raised so many more questions than it answered.
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Oxxidation posted:I, too, do not know what brazzers is. What is brazzers. Jfc
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Aug 22, 2014 16:42
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They make funny parodies go check 'em out! Show your friends and family.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:13
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Sigh. Here you go. Start of it. Youtube link, none of the actual dirty bits. One of a disturbing number of Doctor Who pornos.
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MikeJF posted:Sigh. Here you go. Start of it. Youtube link, none of the actual dirty bits. One of a disturbing number of Doctor Who pornos. It honestly could be an episode after watching it.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:48
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Oxxidation posted:I, too, do not know what brazzers is. What is brazzers. Here, this link should be helpful: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sex edit: wait, there might be actual spoilers, I don't know, I didn't really read it.
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Bicyclops posted:Here, this link should be helpful: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sex Yes, there are spoilers. That also qualifies as the strangest article I've read all year. By far. E: I mean, it says that Virginity is the state of "not ever having had sex", but unlike all the other information on the page it doesn't list a Doctor Who episode as a reference so how can I trust that this information is legitimate!? Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Jsor posted:Yes, there are spoilers. It's not as good as the Star Trek wiki's entry on beards, but it's a close second.
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Regy Rusty posted:They make funny parodies go check 'em out! Show your friends and family. Their Big Lebowski parody is actually brilliant and worth skipping all the loving to watch
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Their Big Lebowski parody is actually brilliant and worth skipping all the loving to watch Let me guess - "That carpet really ties the room together?"
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Aug 22, 2014 23:48
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Don't be ridiculous. Those don't exist in porn.
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Bicyclops posted:Here, this link should be helpful: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sex The TARDIS Wikia is so profoundly misimplemented and lovely it boggles the mind. I mean, millions of Doctor Who fans have had over a decade to put a decent wiki-style knowledgebase together and they end up with that, while the relatively minuscule hardcore Transformers fandom can put together the amazingly comprehensive tfwiki.net, free of Wikia limitations and garbage grammer and bizarre editorial trends, in less than eight years.
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DoctorWhat posted:The TARDIS Wikia is so profoundly misimplemented and lovely it boggles the mind. The kicker is that anything you'd actually want to use it for, it doesn't even have. Once or twice I was confused about the end of an audio story and figured that would be the place to check, but all the Big Finish stuff is a basic summary with "This article is a stub." An in depth article on sex including bits from the weird Zygon porn, though, that's there!
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... we should start our OWN WIKI! WITH PLOT SUMMARIES! AND HOOKERS!
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Noticing this thread has over a dozen replies in a short amount of time is like Russian Roulette. You either get an episode review or you learn how much Whovians know about sex. I have yet to determine which is more entertaining.
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