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Bobulus posted:I would rather save the Ten arc talk until after his run is done. But I agree with Jerusalem that certain aspects of his story seem to lack follow-through. Fair enough, I was trying to restrict what I was talking about to stuff that has already been covered by the episodes watched so far, but I guess this is opening up discussion into themes and situations that aren't at this point "complete", so I'll drop it.
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Oxxidation posted:Here's a Fun Science Fact to save you folks some nightmares - most quicksand does not actually work this way. The unusual properties of the substance will mean that you'll submerge to a certain depth, but at that point, well before you're over your head, there's enough surface tension so that you have to actually struggle to sink any deeper. Of course, by that same point it'll take an amount of kinetic force equivalent to pushing a Volvo to get you back out again, but that's a whole separate problem. *takes hit off inhaler* And if you think that's wild, here's another cool fact to wow you: you can't even travel in time in a police box, it's impossible
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Oct 25, 2014 23:53
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Soothing Vapors posted:*takes hit off inhaler* And if you think that's wild, here's another cool fact to wow you: you can't even travel in time in a police box, it's impossible If you stand in a police box and wait five minutes, you've time traveled in a police box!
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Oct 26, 2014 00:09
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Soothing Vapors posted:*takes hit off inhaler* And if you think that's wild, here's another cool fact to wow you: you can't even travel in time in a police box, it's impossible Look rear end in a top hat, I saw that loving live-action Jungle Book movie when I was like nine and this information came as a tremendous loving relief to me, ok
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Oct 26, 2014 00:22
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Jerusalem posted:If you stand in a police box and wait five minutes, you've time traveled in a police box!  Oxxidation posted:Look rear end in a top hat, I saw that loving live-action Jungle Book movie when I was like nine and this information came as a tremendous loving relief to me, ok haha, I think that thing scarred everyone in my age group
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Oct 26, 2014 00:31
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Oxxidation posted:Look rear end in a top hat, I saw that loving live-action Jungle Book movie when I was like nine and this information came as a tremendous loving relief to me, ok I think it was John Mulaney who said "When I was a kid I thought quicksand was going to be a much bigger deal than it ended up being."
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Oct 26, 2014 03:01
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The "I NEVER WOULD" is bad, but I do love Tennant's acting in it. Those eyes; he looks bonkers.
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Oct 26, 2014 04:22
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Is there a timeline of the times the Doctor's atrocities? I mean I can think of three genocides off the top of my head (The Time Lords, the pantomime spider people and the Georgia O'Keefe people) off the top of my head.
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Oct 26, 2014 04:56
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Republican Vampire posted:Is there a timeline of the times the Doctor's atrocities? I mean I can think of three genocides off the top of my head (The Time Lords, the pantomime spider people and the Georgia O'Keefe people) off the top of my head. Like 99% of the Daleks.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:04
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Prison Warden posted:Like 99% of the Daleks. Yeah they got better real quick but at the time he was genociding about he did get rid of what he thought was all of them.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:12
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Yeah okay so four species at least. Probably more.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:18
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Republican Vampire posted:Yeah okay so four species at least. Probably more. The Man Who Quite Often Has.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:45
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The Vervoids?
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MikeJF posted:The Vervoids? That's who I meant by the Georgia O'Keeffe people.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:55
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Republican Vampire posted:Yeah okay so four species at least. Probably more. He's killed a bunch of beings who were the last of their kind, but I think that's a bit different.
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Oct 26, 2014 06:58
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mind the walrus posted:Yeah they got better real quick but at the time he was genociding about he did get rid of what he thought was all of them. To be fair he has genocided the Daleks about 3 times so far since they came back.
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Oct 26, 2014 11:36
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Daleks are pretty irredeemably evil though. Maybe genocide is sometimes justified
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Oct 26, 2014 11:59
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The Daleks don't count, the Daleks never counted, and even Sarah Jane and, ultimately, the (fourth) Doctor agreed. And the Vervoids were a bit of a special-case too, really...
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Oct 26, 2014 12:28
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If anyone gets to decide when genocide's acceptable it's the Time Lords, and they wanted that poo poo strangled in the womb.
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Oct 26, 2014 12:44
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Dabir posted:If anyone gets to decide when genocide's acceptable it's the Time Lords, and they wanted that poo poo strangled in the womb. Didn't quite work out for them considering that was the start of the Time War! The Daleks are almost inspirational little bastards. They're these poor mutated squid things that know nothing but impotent rage and hate stuck in tanks without hands or legs, presumably constructing space ships by willing them together with sheer rage and inadequacy, going up against GOD LIKE BEINGS who control Time and Space itself and have had time travel for loving ever, and some how, through sheer determination and refusal to ever, ever allow a problem to be bigger than them, the Daleks rose up and kicked the poo poo out of them across their own domain. Shame about the genocide.
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Oct 26, 2014 14:39
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I don't know if it's always been a Dalek thing, or if it just happened once Nicholas Briggs became the voice, but I love how the Daleks remind you of the loud monotonous robot monster thing, but the voice isn't really monotonous at all. In fact, it's passionate as all hell. It's not simply EX-TERMI-NATE. No no, it's more like EXTERRMINAAAATE, EXTERRRMINAAAAAAAAAAAAATE. With that last syllable going on so long as to become raspy. Like all Daleks have just one emotion for everything, and that emotion is incredibly super pissed-off.
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Craptacular! posted:I don't know if it's always been a Dalek thing, or if it just happened once Nicholas Briggs became the voice, but I love how the Daleks remind you of the loud monotonous robot monster thing, but the voice isn't really monotonous at all. In fact, it's passionate as all hell. That's something they figured out during the Classic Series- they started out really monotone, getting worked up in certain situations, and then the Dalek voice actors started trying to out do one another, and it just became magical. The Third Doctor Daleks were kind of awful in that respect because they had new actors who didn't quite 'get' the Daleks.
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Oct 26, 2014 17:20
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That's a big part of why the Cybermen are lame as hell and Daleks are the best imo
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Oct 26, 2014 17:23
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The Cybermen are lame because the writers keep thinking of them as second-rate Daleks with a bodysnatching fetish, and that interpretation is so ingrained into how the Cybermen have been portrayed it'd actually feel like a betrayal to most fans if they changed it up and actually went back to the "horrors of Communism taken to an extreme" version.
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Oct 26, 2014 17:49
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Craptacular! posted:I don't know if it's always been a Dalek thing, or if it just happened once Nicholas Briggs became the voice, but I love how the Daleks remind you of the loud monotonous robot monster thing, but the voice isn't really monotonous at all. In fact, it's passionate as all hell. I also love how their voices are always scratchy and lovely like audio clipping on a bad webcam mic. I like to think that they have volume controls but they always have the knob turned to MAX and they're cranking it as hard as they can trying to go louder because they'll be hosed if the next Dalek over is going to yell EXTERRRRMINATE louder than they are.
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Oct 26, 2014 20:01
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I've always loved that it's obvious that somewhere deep down the Daleks are aware that they are NOT the most advanced/superior beings in the universe, but because of their genetic engineering and the technology hardwired into their battletanks etc they can never admit it. So they're just screaming and shouting and HATING all the time to try and make up for an inadequacy they can never admit and never truly overcome. It's probably why they get so passionate when they start rarking each other up with EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINAAAAATE! because that shared expression of hate is basically the closest they ever get to actually feeling happiness/joy or get any kind of positive group reinforcement about what they are. They're tragic figures, really, though not ones you could ever really "help" or make better.... and even if you did they'd either commit suicide or be murdered by the others.
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Oct 26, 2014 20:48
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I'm that guy, the one guy who actually doesn't at all mind "The man who never would" line. I don't understand all of the hatred it gets compared to a great deal of similar lines. The episode is kind of wacky and I don't really know what they were going for, and I think it might have been better without the actual Doctor's Daughter part of the plot with a reworked reason for the war.
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Jerusalem posted:I've always loved that it's obvious that somewhere deep down the Daleks are aware that they are NOT the most advanced/superior beings in the universe, but because of their genetic engineering and the technology hardwired into their battletanks etc they can never admit it. I.... I guess. They did drive the only other contender so far to the brink that they considered ending reality and calling it quits on the known universe. Which kind of makes me wonder, if you're a Classic fan, does that seem right? I feel like if Moffat was rebooting the show and told by management to write the Time Lords out, he would have made an original monster to do the job instead of make the Daleks absurdly powerful. But that guy also loves the whole Monster Factory element of the show.
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Craptacular! posted:Which kind of makes me wonder, if you're a Classic fan, does that seem right? Yep, as a classic series fan I always thought the thing with the Daleks is that they just don't stop. Ever. Because they can't, and if they did, they'd basically go insane and commit a mass murder/suicide (which they'd also do if they ever "won" and wiped out all other life). Note that in the very first appearance of the Daleks they discover that time travel is possible, and when the Doctor explains they'll never be able to operate it without him they reply,"There is no problem that cannot be solved". Then within a season they've developed their own crude and brutal form of time travel, just by throwing themselves with single-minded dedication at the concept until it worked. They will ALWAYS fail at the final hurdle because of their limitations, but those same limitations are what pushes them to ever greater heights. They're ALMOST inspirational in just how stubborn and determined they are to prove themselves superior, and I had no problem with the idea from the revival that it was the Daleks who were fighting the Time Lords in the Time War. Edit: I also think if the revival had introduced some new monster to be the one who took out the Time Lords, then it would have smacked of Worf/Wolverine Syndrome, where the writer tries to shortcut to showing you how totally boss and awesome their original-creation-do-not-steal is by having them take out something/somebody who has earned being tough in the eyes of the viewers. Kind of like that awful Spineasaurus bullshit in the third Jurassic Park film. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Occ marathoned the whole of Orange Is the New Black today and then dropped off the face of the Earth, so that promised bonus weekend writeup of his may be on ice. Adjust your expectations, and your scorn, accordingly.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:22
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Craptacular! posted:I.... I guess. They did drive the only other contender so far to the brink that they considered ending reality and calling it quits on the known universe.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:43
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A huge thing to keep in mind. First serial, Daleks were static electricity powered and couldn't leave their metal floors without dying, let alone anything else. No space travel, no ability to go on carpets, nothin'. Then they learn that other species outside of Skaro people exist, and then they learn where the Earth is. They're seemingly killed off. And then NEXT SERIAL WITH THEM, not even five serials later, they've taken over the Earth. They go from nigh crippled kind of easily killed planet bound mutant victims in tanks to FTL space conquerors in NO TIME AT ALL. All Daleks need is motivation and they can do drat near anything that isn't wanting to kill everyone else.
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Oxxidation posted:Occ marathoned the whole of Orange Is the New Black today and then dropped off the face of the Earth, so that promised bonus weekend writeup of his may be on ice. Adjust your expectations, and your scorn, accordingly. Always so rude.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:49
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The Daleks are one of relatively few races to develop time travel, and in one of the best / most famous classic episodes the Time Lords go out of their way to try and wipe them out. If you were trying to think of a race capable of taking on the Time Lords (ignoring various god-like beings), it basically comes down to humans and Daleks.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Daleks are one of relatively few races to develop time travel, and in one of the best / most famous classic episodes the Time Lords go out of their way to try and wipe them out. If you were trying to think of a race capable of taking on the Time Lords (ignoring various god-like beings), it basically comes down to humans and Daleks. The Time Lords even give their reasoning in that story as that not doing something to them while they're comparatively weak will lead to them eventually dominating the entire universe (which at that point was the Time Lords' role, even if it wasn't explicit domination).
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I love all the reasons mentioned as to why the Daleks are effective villains. It's like if a special olympics kid won the gold in the main olympics in every event out of spite for every able bodied person and spectator. 
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Oxxidation posted:Occ marathoned the whole of Orange Is the New Black today and then dropped off the face of the Earth, so that promised bonus weekend writeup of his may be on ice. Adjust your expectations, and your scorn, accordingly. Marathoning Orange Is the New Black is definitely an acceptable excuse for missing a Doctor Who review, as it may also be a good excuse for missing a date, work, or a godson's First Communion.
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I had serious problems with season 1 though of orange like serious, serious issues with the show has a whole and i think the season finale completely shits the bed but i couldn't stop watching the show, even as i was watching it and going "that was poorly done, that was bad, that was bad, holy poo poo the chicken episode is a piece of loving garbage"
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Oct 27, 2014 15:32
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Yeah Orange is the New Black is not a particularly good show but it is extremely watchable and it does allow for representation of a lot of female character types we almost never see in pop media, so it kind-of levels out to "good" in spite of itself.
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Solaris Knight posted:I love all the reasons mentioned as to why the Daleks are effective villains. Just a nitpick, but the Paralympic Games are the Olympics for people with physical disabilities, Special Olympics are for people with intellectual disabilities.
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