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Soothing Vapors posted:I dunno about that, I'm almost caught up on Season 8 now and I made my first foray into the main thread. it's like this thread, except every single poster is DoctorWhat Remember with Doctor Who there is no such thing as the basement, only the currently discovered depths.
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I lost track, are Last Man Standing reviews still being done? If so where?
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He ended them and his toxx was lifted after everybody realized that it would be funnier for him to watch Doctor Who than a repetitive sitcom.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:10
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Soothing Vapors posted:I dunno about that, I'm almost caught up on Season 8 now and I made my first foray into the main thread. it's like this thread, except every single poster is DoctorWhat And everyone hates all the episodes you like and no one likes the episodes you hate. umalt posted:He ended them and his toxx was lifted after everybody realized that it would be funnier for him to watch Doctor Who than a repetitive sitcom. And it resulted in a legit good series of reviews, Oxx you should seriously do a blog or something because I love reading your stuff.
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Soothing Vapors posted:I dunno about that, I'm almost caught up on Season 8 now and I made my first foray into the main thread. it's like this thread, except every single poster is DoctorWhat  that people still believe any of the three Doctor Who threads on this forum aren't almost exactly the loving same and that the one they post in is somehow superior to the other. It's mostly the same posters in all of them with exactly the same discussions. Toxx's reviews honestly read like most of the ones in the main thread except that they're normally longer. None of the threads even have an overwhelming consensus on things. You get a bit more Big Finish in the main thread, a bit more hatred for the current season in the spoiler thread, and a few more people pretending really hard not to like Doctor Who in this thread, that's really about it.
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Bicyclops posted:and a few more people pretending really hard not to like Doctor Who in this thread
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Soothing Vapors posted:look as long as we can keep up the pretense there's a chance we can still get into heaven alright Too bad you're going to the place with Torch... poo poo I'm starting another round of flagellation about that series. 
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adhuin posted:Too bad you're going to the place with Torch... I dunno, Torchlight is an okay game series but it didn't really do it for me. 
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Bicyclops posted:
This is a really good post.
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Dabir posted:Y'all are coming pretty close to saying "No science fiction is hard because it has fictional elements in it". That said, genres are a dumb and terrible way to categorise things because it's impossible for people to agree on what they are, so if you're searching for something by genre there's a good chance it won't be listed where you expected it to be and if you're trying to discuss a particular genre then there's a good chance the person you're talking to is talking about something else. I was in a book shop one time, looking for a specific book. I couldn't find it so I asked the staff and they checked the same place I'd looked, then looked it up on their catalogue because they were sure it should be there. Turns out it was under "literary fiction", and not one staff member in the shop could explain why, or what "literary fiction" even is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqjR1gHyIQ
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Oct 21, 2014 09:45
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The only hard sci-fi worth talking about is the one with the Zygons
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Tiggum posted:
I hope that store is shut down if nobody knows what literary fiction is
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Bicyclops posted:
For the record, everything said here is absolutely true.
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Tiggum posted:
That's one heck of a weird book store! Every industry conference I've been to on writing, all the people on the publishing side (including agents) have to talk about how YA and genre fiction is selling relative to literary and up-market. For books even more than other media, they're sales categories and are definitely designed to help the marketplace people more than the writers or the readers. The same kind of people are likely to purchase from the Booker short list every year, so if you stock them all in the same shelf, when people pour in for Local Author Who Will Be Lucky to Sell 10,000 Copies's launch, they're likely to pick up a few. The categories are basically there for book store employees, so if they can't tell you what literary fiction is, I hope there isn't a hell of a lot of competition in their area.
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computer parts posted:AI is inherently unrealistic because the only thing that people accept as "AI" is "a human being, but in a computer". Thats not true though. Person of Interest is a fairly popular show and the AI in it is presented as very different from human. Sure the machine is shown to have compassion for humanity, but thats a result of its entire purpose being to identify threats to people
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Bicyclops posted:That's one heck of a weird book store! Every industry conference I've been to on writing, all the people on the publishing side (including agents) have to talk about how YA and genre fiction is selling relative to literary and up-market. For books even more than other media, they're sales categories and are definitely designed to help the marketplace people more than the writers or the readers. The same kind of people are likely to purchase from the Booker short list every year, so if you stock them all in the same shelf, when people pour in for Local Author Who Will Be Lucky to Sell 10,000 Copies's launch, they're likely to pick up a few. My personal favorite "literary vs. genre fiction" story was how a bunch of pretentious wankers always assumed Iain Banks had to publish his sci-fi books as a sell-out gig to fund his literary fiction, but after he died it came out that his literary fiction outsold his sci-fi by a sizable margin and the sci-fi stuff was always his labor of love. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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I've always thought that true A.I. would perfer Dogs over people, because they can be trained to obey and actually listen.
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Solvency posted:I've always thought that true A.I. would perfer Dogs over people, because they can be trained to obey and actually listen. Oh look this Meatsack thinks he's better than other Meatsacks.  <activates head patting subroutine>
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Solvency posted:I've always thought that true A.I. would perfer Dogs over people, because they can be trained to obey and actually listen. That's basically part of the premise of the Rifters books by Peter Watts. AIs (not the cliche human-ish AIs, but just kinda decision-making devices) eventually end up used to manage much of the world but they're layers upon layers of machines building and programming next-generation machines so they're ultimately given responsibility without too much comprehension of how they work, and eventually one with enough power decides that a world without humans - or indeed our form of life - would just be more orderly, and take action to replace it with a simpler form of life. After all, order plus preservation of life is what its rather vague goals are. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Solvency posted:I've always thought that true A.I. would perfer Dogs over people, because they can be trained to obey and actually listen. I always liked that Data had a cat because I swear, a whole bunch of their behavior feels like they just activated some subroutine in their cat program.
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Bicyclops posted:
The difference is that this thread has a schedule now, so there's only like a 50/50 chance of opening it up to people making GBS threads themselves in rage about how wrong somebody's opinion is! I also actually disagree that they're the same. I read this thread from the start and it took until close to season 3 for the thread to really ramp into people slapfighting over things. Most of the posts were excited discussions of Oxx's opinions and thoughts, and people's own thoughts/critiques of the episode. It's only as he's settled into it and the reviews have been comparing Doctor who to previous Doctor Who rather than other series that the side conversation has turned away from his reviews and into the weird little hate-filled circlejerk or whatever it is you guys like about the other threads. I tried to read the main thread twice and just gave up, because both times there were people getting way too mad about other people disagreeing with them. I'd rather enjoy Who and not have a place I can discuss it than get all twisted up over it.  I'm loving classic who by the way, about to start in on season 2. 
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surc posted:into the weird little hate-filled circlejerk or whatever it is you guys like about the other threads surc posted:people's own thoughts/critiques of the episode. It's this. The people coming in complaining that people don't agree with them is restricted pretty much to a couple of poo poo and run posters.
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I mean there have been arguments in both threads, but they really are pound for pound very similar. The idea that there's any kind of circlejerk is pretty wrong and the worst posts in every one of the threads are the ones that just say "This is the worst discussion ever!" Enjoy season 2, though! It's got the First Doctor's most iconic monologue and also The Chase, which is one of my favorite early comedic episodes (they play it up a whole lot and you almost expect the wah-wah horns to kick in every once in awhile, but it's the kind of show you can forgive for that. One of the serials also has Julian Glover in it, but it's one of the incomplete ones, unfortunately, which I assume you're skipping.
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Monagle posted:Person of Interest is a fairly popular show and the AI in it is presented as very different from human. I haven't watched Person of Interest, but from your description it still sounds like you're talking about a machine with a recognizable "personality" or some form of general intelligence. The problem is that more realistic AI would still be recognizable as just a piece of software under human authority, and I suspect a lot of people would actually find that more unnerving. Instead of a robot that wants to be human, you'd have something that looks an awful lot like a generic piece of recording software spitting out music more beautiful than any human has ever created. Or you'd have a fancy CAD program that can design an incredibly efficient internal combustion engine with a few lines of input from an operator. Realistic portrayals of AI would probably scare the poo poo out of most people because real AI tends to be built very intentionally to replace human labor. No personality. No desires or quirks. Just a piece of software that does your job better than you'll ever be able to.
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Paradoxish posted:I haven't watched Person of Interest, but from your description it still sounds like you're talking about a machine with a recognizable "personality" or some form of general intelligence. The problem is that more realistic AI would still be recognizable as just a piece of software under human authority, and I suspect a lot of people would actually find that more unnerving. Instead of a robot that wants to be human, you'd have something that looks an awful lot like a generic piece of recording software spitting out music more beautiful than any human has ever created. Or you'd have a fancy CAD program that can design an incredibly efficient internal combustion engine with a few lines of input from an operator. In the show the AI is still recognizable as just a piece of software except that due to having a self preservation priority manipulated itself into being independent of human authority. It doesn't actually have a personality, it's just that it's purpose is to identify threats to people and report to those who can help, so it comes across as being benevolent.
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Paradoxish posted:I haven't watched Person of Interest, but from your description it still sounds like you're talking about a machine with a recognizable "personality" or some form of general intelligence. The problem is that more realistic AI would still be recognizable as just a piece of software under human authority, and I suspect a lot of people would actually find that more unnerving. Instead of a robot that wants to be human, you'd have something that looks an awful lot like a generic piece of recording software spitting out music more beautiful than any human has ever created. Or you'd have a fancy CAD program that can design an incredibly efficient internal combustion engine with a few lines of input from an operator. This sounds sort of like a speech the Ninth Doctor would have given somewhere around the World War II two-parter.
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Grouchio posted:..Did the thread just die? Occupation was really sick and took a break.
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HOLY gently caress THAT EPISODE WAS FUCKIN' BAD
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I couldn't remember what was next, so I looked it up... Oh.
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Toxxupation posted:HOLY gently caress THAT EPISODE WAS FUCKIN' BAD This is inaccurate. It's FUCKIN' TERRIBLE.
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