Bicyclops posted:

Here, this link should be helpful: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sex

edit: wait, there might be actual spoilers, I don't know, I didn't really read it.

Toxxupation posted:

Finally, though, I think I realize why I consider this a firm "B" episode. Although Doctor Who has done supernatural episodes before, they've always turned out to have firmly "scientific"- or whatever passes for scientific on this show -explanations, such as the "ghosts" from "The Unquiet Dead" turning out to be an alien race. They try for the same thing here with the werewolf- he's actually an alien lifeform that's quietly been reproducing itself for generations or something- but in this case it feels really, really weak.

thexerox123 posted:

My issue is more with the fact that things like Gravity and Run Lola Run fail the test because of the way it's phrased/put together. If it can't properly identify individual examples of the systemic issues, applying it to more movies is just going to increase the size of the error.

thexerox123 posted:

This part is still exactly what I have a problem with, because saying that it was never meant to pass judgement on an individual work is meaningless when that's exactly what it does. You can't think critically about how many movies pass and fail without passing or failing all of those individual works. Which it does not do properly.

And pointing out that it was originally a joke doesn't mean much either, since it's certainly not applied as a joke these days.

Oxxidation posted:

I like this conversation. I like the tone of it. Here's a knife. Someone take the knife. Do something with the knife.

thexerox123 posted:

The Star Wars prequels pass the test.

Jsor posted:

On the whole the test says something significant about the way we produce and consume media. Yes, there are exceptions, but the reason the Bechdel test works is because, though it's inexact, it has (relatively) clear and objective criteria. The test would be even worse if it wanted you to sort movies that are feminist and movies that aren't because that's an inherently subjective critique.

Sleep of Bronze posted:

I think it's 99% about the quality of the imitation, wherever you are. Do it well and no one cares that it isn't your real accent (like, lots of Americans apparently didn't know Hugh Laurie was natively British?); gently caress it up about people will write angry internet posts about how the job should never have been given to a non native/the actor should never have been made to speak in a way they weren't comfortable with. Tennant had very few slips, so there was mostly a collective shrug.

For that other 1% ... probably mostly cancelled out by Tennant being British rather than from anywhere further abroad, and by him doing an accent that, if I wouldn't describe it as a 'default', is at least not particularly specialised. Someone trying on thick West Country or inner Manchester or 'true' Cockney might have been looked at a bit more closely, I guess.

Trin Tragula posted:

The one moment he gets it absolutely perfect is the time in Season 4 when someone (the Initiative?) comes looking for Spike, and he then ends up in a position where he's an American playing a British character who is then doing an unconvincing American accent. "Uh, I'm just a friend of Xander..." It's a tiny little moment, but it cracks me up every time for all the right reasons.

I always thought it actually kind of worked for the character that his accent isn't picture perfect, because he's spent 150-odd years travelling the globe, so clearly it's going to mutate from where he started, right?

Zaggitz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3od0CeSqFcA

There's your entire argument shattered, I'll be on my way.

Toxxupation posted:

Torchwood
"Jack Fights a Bear or Something, I Dunno"
Series 1, Episode 1

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Is Torchwood episode one the one where one of the heroes uses a mind control drug to rape people or is that episode two

Oxxidation posted:

Prepare to be disappointed, we actually aren't sure either.

Jerusalem posted:

I've never quite been able to grasp the sheer hatred this episode frequently gets either. Yes I do absolutely hate the Torch sequence at the end, but the rest of the episode is just mostly bland with the odd moments of quality shining through here and there (I really like that Rose has to get proactive and try and figure things out for herself). I thought Love and Monsters was far worse even if I've mellowed on it somewhat over the years, and apart from airing the week after it, I still don't understand why people lump Fear Her in with that episode as being anywhere near equal on the shittiness scale.

There are actually a couple of other episodes I now dislike more than either L&M or this one, but discussing them now would be utterly irrelevant since you haven't gotten to those yet. I do wish people would stop saying,"X coming up soon is great/terrible!" since - like it did with this story - it ends up creating an expectation in your head of what is to come, and I'd much rather just see your blind reactions to each individual episode, as opposed to having preconceived notions of whether you're supposed to like or dislike it in advance.

Oxxidation posted:

Speaking of terrible, let's see what the Cybermen are up to.

Toxxupation posted:

The closest anyone ever comes to being an idiot is the white dude/black lady couple who get controlled by the Cybermen

DoctorWhat posted:

I'm so happy.

Also the Daleks have had good episodes as recently as this month, whereas the cybermen have sucked since the 60s.

Xenoborg posted:

It was pretty jarring, but they did have a throwaway line about her having a sister that died in that building.

armoredgorilla posted:

Homestuck peaked at [S] Enter, it was all downhill from there into boring nonsense instead of exciting nonsense.

Edit: Come on, y'all have been standing on the edge of this poo poo pit for two pages, let's get on with it.

Toxxupation posted:

I wrote the greatest paragraph I'll ever write in this review

Lycus posted:

So there's enough empty space inside a Dalek shell to fit a whole man with a big Dalek penis-head?

GonSmithe posted:

While it is appalling that Who hasn't had another woman writer (loving REALLY?), and I'm sure 90% of the criticisms on Outpost Gallifrey were incredibly sexist and awful in that regard, these stories are poo poo, and badly written. I would never in my life read anything else or watch anything else she had a hand in over how awfully written these episodes are.

Plavski posted:

I remembered something in The Writer's Tale about these episodes but I couldn't remember what it was. So I went and looked it up.

"More and more, with every writer. It’s those internet message boards. The forums. They destroy writers. The job is full of doubt already, but now there is a whole new level of fear, shouting at us. It is now a writer’s job, like it or not, to put up with it. It’s like when Helen Raynor went on Outpost Gallifrey last month and read the reviews of her two Dalek episodes.

She said that she was, literally, shaking afterwards. Like she’d been physically assaulted. I’m not exaggerating. She said it was like being in a pub when a fight breaks out next to you. I had to spend two hours on the phone to her, talking her out of it, convincing her that of course she can write, that we do need her and want her. That bastard internet voice gets into writers’ heads and destabilizes them massively."

Jerusalem posted:

Yeah, these episodes are appallingly bad. I can't recall ever encountering anybody who liked them.

SymfonyMan posted:

I can honestly say it was the most penises I've ever seen on one head.

DoctorWhat posted:

Doctor Who doesn't actually have a canon just fyi

death .cab for qt posted:

Regy Rusty posted:

For real though, I really do love the Face of Boe on his own merits, in addition to how cool I thought that reveal was. I love that living forever somehow turns you into a gigantic head. That's cool, I'm down with that.