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I thought this episode was all right, I remember laughing at what a petty weirdo the villain was, and I liked the bit about the one guy who survived not being who the Doctor would have wanted to. The bits I liked are probably causing me to forget any amount of crap though. That's why I remember liking Love & Monsters; the big climax where the Doctor shows up made me laugh and I couldn't tell you anything about the plot before that.
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I thought he was being ironic and comical at first, but then it turned out he wasn't and it was even better.
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Oxxidation posted:Occ marathoned the whole of Orange Is the New Black today and then dropped off the face of the Earth, so that promised bonus weekend writeup of his may be on ice. Adjust your expectations, and your scorn, accordingly. Anyway, are you really supposed to sympathise with Piper by the end of season 1? The vibe I got was that when she beats down Pennsatucky that's the final nail in the coffin of her status as The Audience Surrogate who's frightened and amazed by this strange new world, and she's now just as much a part of that world as every other character. It kind of troubled me because I couldn't help but see a moral of "see how horrible prison is, it even turns sweet white women into animals". But then I haven't watched season 2 so I'm in no position to have a "reading" of the show.
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Oct 27, 2014 17:51
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Every second season maybe. Half of the problems in 24 are caused by evil US corporations / organisations starting wars for profit.
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Nov 7, 2014 23:15
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A lot of confusing posts itt from people who don't seem to think Donna's ending was intended to be sad.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:00
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Bicyclops posted:Sadness sort of has to have a point, though. I'm not sure what we're supposed to feel, besides just sad, about a person losing all of their agency in the form of forced amnesia as a sacrifice to save the world. I guess it sort of hammers Davros's point home, about the Doctor using people as pawns and being self-righteous about it, but that's a really sour note to end a traditionally pretty hopeful show on. As for having her memory erased, the vibe I got was that the Doctor believes it's better to live a boring life than die in an exciting way. Do no harm, and all that. I actually don't like Donna's ending but that's in retrospect and for spoiler related reasons.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:12
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MrL_JaKiri posted:How many of those also have one of the characters losing nothing and getting everything they wanted?
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Nov 14, 2014 18:46
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MikeJF posted:This is pretty much it. A sad ending for Donna could've worked, but it was poorly written and didn't fit into the overall tone of the episode and lead-in from the rest of the plot, and the elements that caused the sadness weren't explored in a decent way as to make the sacrifice feel like it had a meaning to the viewer. Something that's well-written to be sad will usually make most viewers sad along with it; when it just made most people irritated at RTD that's something of a sign. Having a bad thing end up happening to someone who spent time around the Doctor seemed to fit OK to me in an episode that had a big clip-show style scene all about the idea that bad things end up happening to people who spend time around the Doctor. I'm not qualified to talk about tone and plot construction, but all the foreshadowing earlier in the series and in the two-parter seemed like a decent amount of lead-in to a layman. Dalek Caan yelled out that someone was going to die so many times that I was impatient through the whole fuzzy happy ending because I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Nov 15, 2014 04:41
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Burkion posted:Pretty loving sure Sara Jane Smith and motherfucking Davros and the goddamn Master all point to the Classic Series totally being in canon.
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Nov 17, 2014 06:34
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I think it might be a sign you're too invested in a TV show when you start thinking sad endings and plot twists are done maliciously to spite you.
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Nov 18, 2014 01:18
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I remember someone commenting when the episode aired, "RTD seems to be going out with not a bang or a whimper, but with the most stupid and insane audacious piss-take imaginable." Having rewatched this two-parter recently I still think it's a fair comment.
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Nov 27, 2014 02:32
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As well as the cafe scene I liked the Doctor reading the Master's mind and realising the drums were real. Edit: also I can't believe they called this The End Of Time Part One. "The Master Race" just screams "classic Doctor Who title" and it's not like anyone was going to guess from that that the Master would turn everyone on Earth into himself. 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Nov 29, 2014 |
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Nov 29, 2014 05:32
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I remember looking at the clock just over halfway through the episode, confused that the climax seemed to be happening now. I loved Wilf's four knocks but holy crap did that epilogue drag on. I was yelling "END! END!" at my TV by the time he decided to bump into Rose. It would still have been incredibly indulgent, but a lot more palatable, if they'd cut all that down to about half length (we don't need to see that the two black characters got married and we don't need the Ood singing the Doctor to sleep or whatever the gently caress for a start) Roll on Matt Smith!
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Nov 30, 2014 00:38
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I liked also that Wilf was protesting "no no!" when the Doctor saved his life, just like Donna did when he saved hers.
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Nov 30, 2014 00:44
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Lt. Danger posted:You can't spoil a good story, though. Like, I'm fairly certain the draw of Dalek is not that there's a museum and it turns out there's an alien in it. No, but a plot twist is supposed to surprise you, and if you get spoiled beforehand there's an emotion the show was trying to evoke that you won't feel. Obviously that's not the case for Dalek, but if you hadn't watched Army Of Ghosts and someone said "there's a bunch of Daleks in the orb" then you wouldn't feel that sense of escalating stakes when the Daleks come out of the orb.
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Dec 28, 2014 16:46
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I anticipated that response but couldn't think of a good counter for it because hell, it's correct.
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Dec 28, 2014 18:21
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Craptacular! posted:But the Millennium Dome was right there! It's probably, uh, 2013? (Yes, it verges on ultra-pedantic, but I think it's one of the weirdest time skips in the new show thus far.)
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Jan 4, 2015 07:24
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Toxxupation posted:things I love: Doesn't seem relevant but I agree
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Jan 6, 2015 04:05
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MikeJF posted:New Vegas was a better game but I honestly preferred the Capitol Wasteland setting more, The Mojave just felt like a city and surroundings that had fallen on hard times rather than a post-apocalyptic wasteland. I missed the urban environment from Fallout 3 but the New Vegas DLCs gave me my fix. Old World Blues is one big post-apoc ruin full of monsters, and Lonesome Road is the same but even more hosed up. And Dead Money's possibly the most hostile place in the series.
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Jan 6, 2015 13:32
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That wasn't a plot hole, it just sucks to be them. I guess the show does belabour the parallel a bit, but hey, it's for kids. Plus I like when they hug and say "gotcha," I find it very sweet for some reason. I predicted a B I think for this episode, I intentionally aimed low for quite a few even though I think they're basically all magical. That may have been a misstep.
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Jan 7, 2015 05:01
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It's not a cartoon, it's anime.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:53
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The Forget option preserves the stability of the society. If you want to free the star whale you could just pick the "don't forget but I'm fine with this" option and set about conspiring with other people to do something about it, which might lead to the entire UK being destroyed if you succeed. Also they made a big meal out of how tough and cool Liz 10 is to undercut it right at the end when she turns out to be just as complicit in the whale's torture as the demon headmaster guy.
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Jan 8, 2015 14:46
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The Doctor did some magic poo poo with Rose's phone in the second episode ever of the revival and it's been brought up again multiple times since, why would you lose your mind at time travel phones now?
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Jan 12, 2015 06:20
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Tiggum posted:Because the timing makes sense with those other ones. The phone synchronises the amount of time that's passed for the companion with the amount of time that's passed for people on Earth. If Rose's mother calls her three months after she leaves, Rose will receive the call after having travelled with the Doctor for three months. But what Earth time does the Doctor's phone synchronise to? Why did Churchill's call go through now? The phone doesn't synchronise with the amount of time that's passed for the companion, or when Rose got home and found out she'd been away a year she could have just called her mum on the phone a year ago. Plus didn't Martha's entire series take place over a few days?
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Jan 12, 2015 07:07
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Jerusalem posted:The broadcast version actually had a little animated Graham Norton pop up on the screen during the Doctor's big dramatic moment and wave happily to the audience, kicking off a huge number of complaints to the BBC To be fair that moment had already been spoiled by the preview in The Eleventh Hour so people were probably yawning through it anyway. I love these episodes and I also love the cries of "that's not how the fictional monster works" directed at the guy who came up with the fictional monster in the first place. This review should be fun!
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Jan 13, 2015 04:54
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It's a side effect of episodes actually having plots these days 
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Jan 13, 2015 13:12
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I'm not reading an entire Tiggum post of that length, but the new Angel powers aren't arbitrary. The Angels' big weakness is that they can't do anything if you look at them. That is the exact reason for the new powers: now looking at them is dangerous as well.
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Jan 14, 2015 13:25
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Also it was River who told him he leaves the brakes on. She was probably told that by a future version of the Doctor, who only "knew" it because River told him. It's a time travel lie!
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Jan 14, 2015 20:33
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Pokeballs don't need to be bigger on the inside, the pokemon don't live in there they're converted into energy and stored in that form. God damned fanboys.
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DoctorWhat posted:eeeh on season 6 This is a funny joke but not as funny as Red Dwarf series six.
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Jan 17, 2015 05:40
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Quantum lock can be psychosomatic, who says it can't. Upon rewatching the climax and ending is a bit sloppy- they skip to outside on the beach to avoid having to show how the characters got out of the control room where they were hanging from railings over a certain death drop and then got down from the top of the ship, the final conversation with River is a bit too heavy on foreshadowing and Alex Kingston's bad laughing, and it's not entirely clear what the situation is at the end either- based on the soldiers' reactions when the others got erased I assume whoever authorised River to go deal with the angel still remembers doing that but now sent her alone or something? It'd be hard to make it all clearer without adding a bunch of dialogue and screwing with the pacing though. That might be why that extra scene was cut as well. Edit: I still think the whole two-parter is completely magical however 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 23:08
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I really liked Smith's upset acting in this. He yelled in the Star whale episode and he yelled at the Daleks, but he was pretty much just mad. Here he's scared and doesn't know what to do and it really works well with the atmosphere of tension and dread. It was unsettling to see him break when he's contemplating throwing himself in the crack ("feeding it a complicated space-time event will shut it up" "like what for instance?" "LIKE ME. FOR. INSTANCE.") or when he can't come up with a good speech to motivate Amy to walk blind through the forest (RTD's first series had Bad Wolf, Moffat's has Little Red Riding Hood) so he just keeps yelling at her that she has to do it.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:00
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Every Tiggum post is more epic than the last.
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Jan 18, 2015 06:18
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The end of Blink is ruined by the fact that they're hanging out under a light bulb so they'll be fine as soon as it goes out.
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Jan 18, 2015 21:18
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Rory? More like... Snory 
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Jan 20, 2015 03:13
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The plot is OK but so by the numbers that I found it pretty forgettable. The
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MrL_JaKiri posted:"The villains are doing something and the hero stops them with the help of some ancillary characters" describes a vast quantity of fiction Oh, never mind then
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Jan 21, 2015 20:22
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Glenn_Beckett posted:Oh good, I'm still the only person alive who thinks that no matter how you slice it, "it was all a dream" is un-loving-forgivable. Well, "gently caress man, gently caress" isn't necessarily a positive statement.
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Jan 24, 2015 03:25
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I'm trying to rewatch these along with the reviews, but I quit partway through this one. My free time is too precious for this!
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Oxx's review hit the nail on the head for me I think, in that I don't hate this episode because it's so drat unmemorable. I don't remember a single thing about it except for a Silurian creeping about in the night, and I guess they captured her? Him? I don't remember the big red energy shield or Rory pretending to be a policeman, and I don't remember what the cliffhanger at the end was. The whole thing just slid off my brain like the top slice of bread slides off a big greasy sandwich.
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