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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Imp Zone > Skyrim's Dawnguard is a huge piece of shit trash
 
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Heavy Lobster
Oct 24, 2010

:gowron::m10:
 Crossbows and the Dawnguard armor set are literally the only reason to own the DLC outside of mods that depend on it (a lot, surprisingly), and if you bought it outside of the legendary edition I am LOL (laughing out loud) at you, right now.

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Heavy Lobster
Oct 24, 2010

:gowron::m10:
 Crosspostin' about this

Heavy Lobster posted:

say what you will about Morrowind combat sucking (it does), but after a certain point combat ends pretty quickly because both parties actually hit consistently, and with great force. I will stand by the fact that Oblivion's combat, after a certain point, is way worse, though. While the whiffing miss noise is about as close as you can get to the physical embodiment of frustration, Oblivion didn't actually get rid of it – even though everything is a "hit," you still have the dice roll for damage going on, and you can sometimes get the same "miss" condition as in Morrowind and just do one damage. That's fine, it would've been nice to have in Morrowind, whatever. Past around level 10 in Oblivion though, enemies begin their quick ballooning into insane amounts of HP while still not doing enough damage to be a threat, so that you're just sitting around left-clicking while standing still and... wait, this sounds familiar, right? Oh, yeah. Oblivion's combat curve is Morrowind, but in reverse.

Early Oblivion combat is over relatively quickly, both parties actually pose a threat to each other, and you're not going to notice when you miss because all the hits do enough damage to make up for it. Once enemy health starts getting out of control, you're going to be at a point where you can take a ton of weak hits with no consequences, but you'll be standing there clicking away, noticing every time you get a miss because the health bar didn't move as opposed to moving just barely, only it's even longer than early-game Morrowind combat because you're dealing with endgame health pools. If anyone says Oblivion's combat was an improvement over Morrowind I guarantee it's going off how it's presented rather than how it is in practice, because on a mechanical level they're incredibly close to each other, only one somehow manages to get worse over time.
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Heavy Lobster
Oct 24, 2010

:gowron::m10:

Gobblecoque posted:

im pretty sure the only actual improvement that oblivion made is the ability to cast spells without going into casting mode

Which Morrowind Code Patch also allows, in addition to fixing a ton of little problems. Apparently it was intended to be as Oblivion, but Bethesda couldn't get it to work because Bethesda.

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