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Guavanaut posted:What's the over/under on pellagra making a comeback? 18 months? I actually had pellagra! I was sanctioned for six months because I was half an hour late for an appointment. I felt really, really loving awful having basically had to ration food and buy the shittiest I could for quite some time and went to the Doctor who had a pretty hard time diagnosing me seeing as how it's the sort of thing you don't find in developed countries anymore, and he pretty much wrote me a letter demanding the foodbank that I have something because of a medical condition.
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Guavanaut posted:I have no problem with immigration, but any immigration or population argument that relies on the worship of growth over and above distribution of wealth is a bad one. Whose economic growth has been sustained the most over the past 5 years? I don't think anyone's really making that argument though - just countering this idea that immigrants are somehow an economic drain instead of net contributors. It's important because that's usually used to lay blame for the (very real) decline in ordinary people's living standards and prospects, so people don't look to the top. It's such an easy sell it's used for all kinds of bullshit distraction claims like HEALTH TOURISM being a prime cause of the massive funding hole imposed on the NHS Zeppelin Insanity posted:What about the bourgeoisie? Well you did say that 'in my country that attitude is quite common', which is exactly what Daily Mail readers here believe about the UK. You sure you're not buying into the same 'feckless lazy poors' narrative back home? I really doubt there's a notable difference between poor Polish people and poor British people
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baka kaba posted:Well you did say that 'in my country that attitude is quite common', which is exactly what Daily Mail readers here believe about the UK. You sure you're not buying into the same 'feckless lazy poors' narrative back home? I really doubt there's a notable difference between poor Polish people and poor British people Probably more than we even know. Isn't Poland in the shitter because they jumped on the austerity bandwagon to play 'European Nation Dressup', and of course the people who suffer most from that are the common man, much like everywhere else.
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mfcrocker posted:Some of the things you have said contradict this belief. Poor choice of words on my part, that I already apologised for. baka kaba posted:Well you did say that 'in my country that attitude is quite common', which is exactly what Daily Mail readers here believe about the UK. You sure you're not buying into the same 'feckless lazy poors' narrative back home? I really doubt there's a notable difference between poor Polish people and poor British people Oh, but I'm not talking about poor people per se when I refer to my country, which is something I forgot to point out. That's part of the source of misunderstanding. Nor am I necessarily criticising it. I am one of those people, there are jobs I would much prefer not to do. Though I don't look down on people who do them, and don't consider myself "above" them, just know I would hate doing them, the end result is the same. In Poland there's a big attitude among young people - and I know plenty of people who think that - that "I shouldn't have gone to university, those working class jobs pay so much more". When confronted with why they won't do them, they go "But I'm university educated!" with a big undertone of "it's beneath me". Those people are all very much middle class, and would in fact rather be unemployed than work certain jobs. My issue isn't with that they don't want to work certain jobs, but with the arrogant attitude of looking down on people who do. Admittedly my viewpoint is very skewed because throughout my education my peers were, for the most part, very well off, especially at university level. To be succinct: poor people being poor is the fault of the system. No one actually wants to be poor. Poor people, for the most part, are not lazy because they simply cannot afford to be. The system is to blame, and should be reformed. Anyone who says poor people are poor because they're not bootstrapping hard enough while actively keeping them down for his own profit is scum. Zeppelin Insanity fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Aug 31, 2014 |
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Kerbtree posted:People want to see your GCSE results because lots of jobs now have requirements for new hires to have Level 1/2 Literacy/Numeracy. A few of the people I graduated with had to take a pre-interview literacy test. An interview for a job as a Speech and Language Therapist. I can't think of many jobs for which a pre-interview literacy test is more pointless.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Poor choice of words on my part, that I already apologised for. Horseshit. The issue isn't your wording, it's that some of your views are very disparaging of the working class/people on the dole/etc, which is not leftist at all. It's weird because you do clearly understand that making lazy negative generalisations about groups of people that are easy to blame for society's ills is wrong, but you're doing it anyway. The existence of lovely people from a group (including your university-educated young people) does not make all people from that group lovely (unless you're grouping them by something lovely that they do)
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mfcrocker posted:Horseshit. The issue isn't your wording, it's that some of your views are very disparaging of the working class/people on the dole/etc, which is not leftist at all. It's weird because you do clearly understand that making lazy negative generalisations about groups of people that are easy to blame for society's ills is wrong, but you're doing it anyway. Whoa there, you're right but he got called out and copped to it. Given the social and media narrative that we're all exposed to and the common terms that they use that suddenly appear on everyones tongue (seriously, who ever said criminality before the riots?) everyone drops a lovely phrase every once in a while but you call them out and if they get it you move on.
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mfcrocker posted:Some of the things you have said contradict this belief. There are people in this thread who doubt the leftist credentials of Lenin.
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mfcrocker posted:Horseshit. The issue isn't your wording, it's that some of your views are very disparaging of the working class/people on the dole/etc, which is not leftist at all. It's weird because you do clearly understand that making lazy negative generalisations about groups of people that are easy to blame for society's ills is wrong, but you're doing it anyway. You're reaching. Yes, I made an unwarranted generalisation, and that was wrong of me. I apologised for that. It was a mistake, and I own up to it. Not everyone from any given group is lovely. That is not my argument. My argument is that if I see something often in a certain subset of society (in this case: young upper middle class university students), then it is something that exists in that subset of society (young upper middle class university students). But I mostly brought it up as contextualisation for why I made that mistake of a generalisation. It's not an excuse, because I own up to the mistake, it's a reason for why I did it. I did not take into account how demographically skewed my experiences are. I do not "disparage the working class/people on the dole/etc.", at least not intentionally.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There are people in this thread who doubt the leftist credentials of Lenin. Yeah, but they're ridiculous. Saying that buying into this particular narrative isn't leftist isn't very controversial. Zeppelin Insanity posted:I do not "disparage the working class/people on the dole/etc.", at least not intentionally. You do manage it, however. I'm not saying you're a Tory bastard, but I am saying you might want to reconsider some of your preconceptions. I do appreciate that you've owned up to your mistake (and gently caress, more of us should be doing that  )
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There are people in this thread who doubt the leftist credentials of Lenin. Well he was the son of a minor noble. Brezhnev on the other hand was born to decent working class parents, much more Marxist. (Zeppelin Insanity really does seem to have acknowledged their mistake and made reasonable statements in response to that mistake).
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone? UKMT September '14 - Everyone is a literal Tory
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone? UKMT: Scottish megathread planning station
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone? Immigrant's Wrong
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone?
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namesake posted:UKMT: Scottish megathread planning station Thanks, this gave me an idea.
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mfcrocker posted:I do appreciate that you've owned up to your mistake (and gently caress, more of us should be doing that Point taken. We cool?
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There's nothing wrong with thinking some jobs are beneath you. The vast majority of fast food and retail jobs are very demanding, thankless and vastly underpaid. And you will get treated terribly. That's beneath you because you're a human being and deserve better.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone? UK September '14 - They Probably Did It Anyway
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namesake posted:I cannot loving believe that there's a hoover buying panic going on because of consumer item regulation changes. 
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Point taken. We cool? Sure Quote-Unquote posted:There's nothing wrong with thinking some jobs are beneath you. The vast majority of fast food and retail jobs are very demanding, thankless and vastly underpaid. And you will get treated terribly. That's beneath you because you're a human being and deserve better. Yeah, we really need better working conditions for a lot of people.
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Justice for Ashya King, close the hospital that complained to the police.
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namesake posted:I cannot loving believe that there's a hoover buying panic going on because of consumer item regulation changes. i don't think there was until businesses with hoovers to sell whipped up a media storm about it. never let a chance pass to make a quick buck. lesson i suppose is don't this sort of thing into effect during the silly season.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Scottish Nationalist posters declared their independence from the UK thread, they created a place where they could focus on Scottish issues and set their own agenda. Sadly that independence attempt failed, indeed several Nationalist posters, including yourself, admitted it has turned to poo poo, and now you are desperately trying to reintegrate Scottish nationalist issues into the functioning UK thread. this thread is not functional
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Cerv posted:lesson i suppose is don't this sort of thing into effect during the silly season. Mandate shorter summer breaks for MPs - end silly season.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Suggestions for September thread title, anyone? Everything sucks but the hoovers
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Quote-Unquote posted:There's nothing wrong with thinking some jobs are beneath you. The vast majority of fast food and retail jobs are very demanding, thankless and vastly underpaid. And you will get treated terribly. That's beneath you because you're a human being and deserve better. I thought we were in a bad place as a society when apprenticeships in fast food and retail chains (wages: £2.68 p/h) were meant to be considered genuine career aspirations - I will never forget being made to sit and listen to two gigantic dildos who came to our school to tell us about such exciting opportunities. Now some are expected to prepare for such apprenticeships by undertaking a traineeship (wages: £0.00) for six months 
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Renaissance Robot posted:But Henrys are rubbish??? They really are mind-bogglingly crap in every way. Their suction power is non-existent and anything but a perfect, level surface without obstruction sends them arse over tit.
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gorki posted:I thought we were in a bad place as a society when apprenticeships in fast food and retail chains (wages: £2.68 p/h) were meant to be considered genuine career aspirations - I will never forget being made to sit and listen to two gigantic nonces who came to our school to tell us about such exciting opportunities. Now some are expected to prepare for such apprenticeships by undertaking a traineeship (wages: £0.00) for six months That's awful and really emblematic of how the working class are being treated but if you could use a word that isn't nonce and maybe something more descriptive and less lowkey offensive it would be great. Edit you already changed it my bad
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Vitamin P posted:That's awful and really emblematic of how the working class are being treated but if you could use a word that isn't nonce and maybe something more descriptive and less lowkey offensive it would be great. They were trying to gently caress children. Nonce seems like an appropriate term.
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Vitamin P posted:That's awful and really emblematic of how the working class are being treated but if you could use a word that isn't nonce and maybe something more descriptive and less lowkey offensive it would be great.  i have been told off before. I will admit it is a word I throw around too much but one of them did come over awfully noncey. It was a bit like Legs Akimbo with Cyril Smith.
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big scary monsters posted:GCSE chat, I've just applied for a university research associate job. You need a postgraduate degree to even be considered for the post, and they still asked for my GCSE grades. Yeah, academic CVs are weird.
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