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Lol bb wants to work for the filth.
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Aug 4, 2014 02:51
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Pretty sure the guy that ran Buildev lived next door to my parents for ages. When my mum was a kid the family lived next door to George Freeman and one day she and her little brother found a gun and asked his wife if they could play with it. 
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Aug 6, 2014 03:51
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Sydney Alliance are running a campaign to remove the fee for workers! Sign the petition: http://www.sydneyalliance.org.au/airportfee
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Aug 6, 2014 03:56
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webmeister posted:Yeah, Bellevue Hill and St Ives are basically the Jewish hubs of Sydney and they're both listed as South African as well. Maybe a lot of Jewish Australians have South African heritage? I think the higher proportion of South African Jews is that they were more recent immigrants, a lot of Ashkenazi Jewish Australians who live in Sydney are at least second generation immigrants now so the immigrant Jewish population really skews South African.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:44
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Also, since Zionism is one of the 13 pillars of Judaism and a nonnegotiable aspect of Orthodox and Conservative religious belief it's not completely unfair to expect that a lot of white Australian Jews are going to be Zionists. And that makes them apartheidists.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:51
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Yes I'm loving serious, sorry mate.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:54
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Amethyst posted:That's some pretty shallow and mechanistic thought, Fruity Gordo. Not really, especially not when you combine it with ten years of being a vocally anti-Zionist member of the Sydney Jewish community.
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Aug 6, 2014 07:58
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The only moral genocide is my genocide
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Aug 6, 2014 08:16
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Petition to rename Andrew Bolt 'The Malvern Star'. Helmets mandatory.
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Aug 6, 2014 08:29
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Cultural Marxism.
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Aug 6, 2014 10:43
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Jesus was fundamentally against collectivism.
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Aug 6, 2014 10:56
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:The thing is, though, that most of the emigrated South Africans did migrate because they didn't want to live in a place that allowed blacks to be in power. That's probably why so many of them came here in the first place. Well yes obviously, hence 'more recent'. I thought it was pretty heavily implied.
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Aug 6, 2014 11:13
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Haters Objector posted:I've never met a nice South African My psychiatrist is a South African Jew and also an irl unicorn.
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Aug 6, 2014 11:15
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I hope the PM cracks down on these white blokes.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:53
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Nonetheless, an interesting example of what Chomsky called "worthy victims" Um not really, they're children.
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Aug 6, 2014 13:55
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Not dead Palestinian children No, they're not, you're right. Theyre Jewish children being traumatised by neo nazis on their way home from school. Worthy victims of whatever the gently caress you're talking about.
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Aug 6, 2014 14:17
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Yeah look I've read Manufacturing Consent a few times and I'm not particularly daft. Jim is talking dumb poo poo about this bus situation.
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Aug 6, 2014 14:28
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Haters Objector posted:Israel have caused otherwise ambivalent people to become actual anti-semites, in the same way that Al Qaeda have caused people to become Islamophobes Also this. Not just islamophobes, but just generally more racist towards Arabic and Asian peoples.
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Aug 6, 2014 14:32
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Amoeba102 posted:Well I haven't so I don't know the nuances. How does it not fit for these children to be "worthy victims" in the eyes of some In my interpretation, you don't apply the concept until there's appreciable media coverage. So, not just when a terrorgraph link has been up for 4 hours. It's about the culture, not one article, and if anyone in the media persists with this story they'll have to admit that they're dealing with white supremacists so it will derail the whole narrative. So these children won't exist in the narrative, but they will exist as traumatised kids outside of it who were manipulated by their parents and propagandists and mocked by idiots for absolutely bullshit reasons which had nothing to do with ensuring their wellbeing.
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Aug 6, 2014 14:53
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Not to mention how grotty it is that someone's response to a bunch of preteen kids who go to a religious school getting threatened by neonazis in a metal box is 'hmm problematic that this is reported, reeks of propaganda amirite'
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Aug 6, 2014 15:00
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Gough Suppressant posted:I am literally weeping for the bourgeoise private health consumers I'm a bourgeoise private health consumer who has gone into debt to keep paying my premiums in case I need to go to hospital for my manic depression because public wards are suicide factories, do go on.
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Aug 8, 2014 03:22
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Spending money on something that shouldn't exist because capital makes you vulnerable without it is ideologically incorrect, now excuse me I have some farts to huff.
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Aug 8, 2014 03:25
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I'm making my brother habanero infused vodka for his birthday to take care of some of my weird winter habanero glut. I'm going to keep most of it.
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Aug 8, 2014 09:16
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Well our border protection people are pretty good at locking people travelling from the global south in dark, windowless rooms and hoping they die, so basically we're set for ebola.
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Aug 9, 2014 15:02
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Payne's parliamentary office staff were interesting after the budget. Because she's a NSW senator she was on my list of angry calls the day after and her staff were surprisingly respectful and helpful compared to all the others I spoke to. She keeps her horribleness pretty close to the vest compared to her colleagues.
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Aug 9, 2014 17:25
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Oh god I just googled her and we have the same birthday. Blarg.
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Aug 9, 2014 17:26
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My hope for dialogue, like a fart in the wind. 
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Aug 12, 2014 21:49
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So shockingly retail superfunds have been found to be rorts quote:Australians in retail superannuation funds would have to work an extra eight years to achieve the same retirement income as a worker who had made the same contributions to a not-for-profit fund for the past 25 years, new research has found.
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Aug 12, 2014 22:00
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I am terrified of 150 Muslims AMA about liberal democracy under capital.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:29
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Not mine Reform Judaism owns
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Aug 13, 2014 09:53
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Endman posted:Who the gently caress says "tu quoque" seriously in an internet argument. You get four candy canes for tu quoque. You go tu quoque!!
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Aug 13, 2014 13:26
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Those On My Left posted:I like you, Soag. Mate.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:27
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rudatron posted:Charity is not intrinsically faith based, lacking those church groups other kinds of charities would fill the void. Yeah, I'm not a fan of faith based charity at all. You should be secure enough in your faith to keep your poo poo secular when you're doing humanitarian work. Faith based poo poo is necessarily authoritarian. Plus the record of fbcs vs secular nfps is pretty self explanatory, compare msf to any religious healthcare provider and compare the child mortality rates of populations with Christian missionaries vs even the fucken peace corps Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 13, 2014 |
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Aug 13, 2014 13:52
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But like yeah, I have to respond to soag and TOML because this poo poo really pisses me off. Do we seriously have to go through some bullshit Ditchkins poo poo again about how religion is regressive and atheism is the light and agnosticism is cowardice or can we just go back to our perennial consensus that religious belief is an inherent part of all humans and necessarily concern the divine or a lack thereof or ambivalence? Because arguing about how anti-homophobic Muslims are essentially apostates according to your assumptions and prejudices against Islam is loving stupid, and so is talking about how there's no point in being a follower of an explicitly progressive iteration of an ancient religion because... what? Give a reason. Science? Science and religion are separate, that is the entire point of the scientific method, to break from the authority of the church to allow for reasonable inquiry in both philosophical directions because they clearly diverge. One is based on empirical analysis, one is based in belief systems. Atheism is a belief system. How many loving times do secular scientists have to say that they are not concerned with god or faith in the work they do about the beginnings of the universe? They are not saying it for the benefit of the fundamentally religious. They are saying shut the gently caress up to the smug atheists who jump on any discovery of the universe to say 'lol where's your god'. God is still everywhere, dipshits. God is in everything because I can't explain how anything exists without it, nor can science, and nor can you. You might not see god in anything but everything I see has something to do with something incredible by virtue of the simple fact that it exists. And existence is marvellous and complex and hosed up and worth it and something caused it all to happen and I call that god.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:56
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Kommando posted:Hear hear. You really don't understand much. Show me the cause of the universe, and I'll show you god.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:23
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rudatron posted:It's not an inherent part of all humans or some aspect of human nature though, pre-civilized faith systems are completely different conceptually from modern ideas of faith. Religion has been, and always will be, historically & materially contingent. When it no longer satisfies its use, it won't exist anymore. Yeah, it is. I'm not talking about monotheism, I'm talking about creation myths. 'Nothing' is no more valid an idea of a cause of creation than one god or multiple gods. That's why physicists and mathematicians who aren't self-aggrandising and self-promoting dont go out of their way to try to convince the world that there's no such thing as god. Because god means nothing universally, it's an entirely individual belief and authoritarian religions are authoritarian, progressive religions are generally not. Your problem with religion is presumably with authoritarianism, unless you're actually really angry with the idea of people believing something different to you and you feel the need to tell them why over and over again, then you're an authoritarian too.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:32
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Why call that God, with all the baggage that word or entails, with all the confusion it can cause, and misunderstandings it can induce? Why not just say "show me the cause of the universe and I'll show you the cause of the universe"? Because I grew up with a belief in a thing called 'god' and always thought of it as the reason why things are here and I'm not going to change the way I express myself for the sake of some nerds who can't understand the difference between my interpretation of god and what they read in first year philosophy about the first uncaused cause.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:43
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Actually Fruity existence is kinda poo poo but that's beside the point, even if one isn't religious it's pretty loving clear that religion is one of the few sources of hope for the billions of impoverished people in the world. Smug technophilia is one of the most bourgeois attitudes I can think of. If you think people wouldn't find reasons to hate and kill each other and ~hold back human progress~ in a totally atheist world then I don't know what to tell you. Extremist religious politics is only one of the many flavours of demagogy. Violence and "backwardsness" will always be more closely entwined with poverty and oppression. Wish we could upvote posts.
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Splode, what sparked this discussion I'm having was actually soag being an obnoxious shithead and asserting that there was no point to adhering to a progressive reformist religious movement like Reform Judaism. I would have ignored him because soag is a loving idiot about most things that reared deep thought, but TOML agreed with him and that's why I posted WORDS, which ultimately started the current discussion. It has poo poo all to do with the bullshit islamophobia of the previous discussion and is all about just how pathetic Australia is at secular religious education and just how insensitive and fundamentally insensible people who deny that they have faith can be
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