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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/travel/u-s-workers-vacation-time/index.html?hpt=us_c2 "A new study has found that U.S. workers forfeited $52.4 billion in time-off benefits in 2013 and took less vacation time than at any point in the past four decades. American workers turned their backs on a total of 169 million days of paid time off, in effect "providing free labor for their employers, at an average of $504 per employee," according to the study." In related news, I'm quitting my job at the end of this month because fuckkkkkk work.
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I see poo poo like that happen all the time, Moana. My coworkers are terrified to take vacation days, and even though they only get 5 or 10 days total (depending on tenure), they still almost never take their full allotment. They're all worried that they'll get fired if they request time off.
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Oct 24, 2014 02:38
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Sundae posted:I see poo poo like that happen all the time, Moana. My coworkers are terrified to take vacation days, and even though they only get 5 or 10 days total (depending on tenure), they still almost never take their full allotment. They're all worried that they'll get fired if they request time off. The other issue is that so many people work for departments that are so hilariously understaffed that taking time off puts an incredible burden on your co-workers. If you actually like the people you work with, it just seems rude.
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Oct 24, 2014 03:12
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Basically the ongoing joke around my department is that the system will find a way to get in your 40. I pretty much work 8:30 to 5, and I sometimes choose to stay late, and sometimes I'm forced to stay late due to system issues. Those are rare though and overall I say I put in 40 hours a week. I also get 20 days of PTO that is encouraged to take, and the longer you work with the company the more you get (25 for 5 years, 30 for 10 years). My team of 3 right now has me at 20 days, and two others at 30 days of pto. We figure out how to accommodate one another and it works, well. I think if i went and found a different job, I probably could make 20% more, but I'm not even sure if that's the premium to leave, or if it's the going rate. Work/life balance for me is awesome, and I can't look back at not having at least a total of 15 days off excluding holidays. Being able to use your PTO is such a nice benefit, I really do recommend making that a priority in your job. Sundae posted:I see poo poo like that happen all the time, Moana. My coworkers are terrified to take vacation days, and even though they only get 5 or 10 days total (depending on tenure), they still almost never take their full allotment. They're all worried that they'll get fired if they request time off. It's perspective, I have a coworker who can't figure out how to take 30 days off, but I have another who can burn it easily.
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Oct 24, 2014 14:51
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Xyven posted:The other issue is that so many people work for departments that are so hilariously understaffed that taking time off puts an incredible burden on your co-workers. If you actually like the people you work with, it just seems rude. Most of the places I worked I suspect this was the real reason nobody took time off ever. If someone took time off things would either fall apart or poo poo would REALLY SUCK for the rest of the team. There's just not enough slack built into the system these days for someone to pick up the slack during vacations.
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Oct 24, 2014 22:49
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Veskit posted:I think if i went and found a different job, I probably could make 20% more, but I'm not even sure if that's the premium to leave, or if it's the going rate. Work/life balance for me is awesome, and I can't look back at not having at least a total of 15 days off excluding holidays. Being able to use your PTO is such a nice benefit, I really do recommend making that a priority in your job. Similar position here. Not as much PTO, but flex scheduling and it technically being unethical for me to work for free (on salary) means my work-life is usually very well balanced. The one time it spun out of control I just took a day off after my project was turned in.
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Oct 25, 2014 02:48
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You guys need to loving full scale rebellion or something, I keep reading it and my jaw keeps dropping as an Australian' who's guaranteed by law a minimum of 4 weeks of paid annual leave (with a 11% leave loading) which must cumulate indefinitely and must be paid at cash value when leaving the job, on top of that I get a guaranteed 9% of my gross salary contributed to an investment fund, at my employers cost in my case but some will include it in the salary, for my retirement. If that wasn't bad enough, someone posted earlier about covering for someone on maternity leave for 1.5 months, my wife is currently pregnant and because she's a registered nurse at a public hospital in our UHC system, she's eligible for 6 months at 1/2 pay directly from the government, same as is available for every new mother or father (but only one of them) in the country who has a job, and ontop of that because she's a RN in the public system, she gets another 6 months at 3/4 pay. Not to derail, but on that tangent, when we found out she was pregnant we didn't have any worries about how we were going to pay for all the doctors and hospital visits, we were just happy with no worries because UHC. I just read posts here and can't imagine how there are still a decent number of people in America who vehemently oppose UHC and decent work conditions. For a fun fact, at my job in what at best described as a factory, we've been in a massive boom working 2 Saturdays then taking 1 off since January. It got the point where people were getting so burnt out that in the last 3 months the plant manager has forced about 10 (out of about 150, most of the rest already had time off booked these last few were the real diehards) people to take a week or two off because he could see them at the breaking point and was worried about them. Rudager fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Oct 25, 2014 06:49
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Veskit posted:It's perspective, I have a coworker who can't figure out how to take 30 days off. This was me. I'd feel so guilty taking a three day weekend because my projects were mine and if I was out, someone else would have to handle it, so I never take time off except between Xmas and new year's. And I get 22 days of PTO with 10-12 firm sponsored holiday days off. Then, I had a major health issue and had to take 12 weeks of short term disability. I'm in the middle of it now, actually. Somehow people at work are dealing and I'm realizing that work shouldn't be my #1 priority. Especially because my work stress may have caused or exacerbated my health crisis. I'm so thankful for my incredible insurance and my 100% pay during my short term disability.
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Oct 25, 2014 15:00
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Rudager posted:You guys need to loving full scale rebellion or something, I keep reading it and my jaw keeps dropping as an Australian' who's guaranteed by law a minimum of 4 weeks of paid annual leave (with a 11% leave loading) which must cumulate indefinitely and must be paid at cash value when leaving the job, on top of that I get a guaranteed 9% of my gross salary contributed to an investment fund, at my employers cost in my case but some will include it in the salary, for my retirement. Because decent work conditions are for people who earned them through hard work, not a welfare entitlement you drat dirty socialist! I work exactly 40 hours a week and management gets mad if I work more because they have to shell out OT. Having everyone in your company on an hourly rate outside of management rocks. They have to pursue all other means of getting the work done before authorizing any OT.
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Oct 25, 2014 19:58
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Rudager posted:11% leave loading quote:I just read posts here and can't imagine how there are still a decent number of people in America who vehemently oppose UHC and decent work conditions.
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Oct 26, 2014 07:34
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:what is that I get paid 11% more (and so does just about everyone else in this country, it's also taxed a a different, lower rate) when I'm on leave, it's a throwback from back in the day when everyone was hourly and it's supposed to account for any lost possible overtime payments while you're on leave.
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Oct 26, 2014 08:06
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:what is that I get 17.5% extra pay when I take any of my 4 weeks per year of annual leave. I understood that it was to make up for the annual leave accural you'd otherwise gain during the time off or something but idk. It works well. Also, that leave isn't the same as my sick leave, which is also 4 or 5 weeks a year accuring into perpetuity. Sick leave is for me or if I for example need to take time off to look after a family member. For example I ended up in the hospital with my partner last week at about 2am tuesday morning. I just sent an email to my boss and he got admin to book off the time as sick leave for me, no questions asked. My company is pretty good. We work on a flexitime system with 38 hour weeks. So if I want to take a day off, I can work a bit extra and then flex off the day, so long as my balance is managed appropriately. They crack the shits if we accrue too much flexitime too, so we are told to just work less and leave on time more often. We are also near-forced to take leave if our leave balance (the one that accumulates at 4 weeks per year and never expires) gets above 8 weeks. We can negotiate on that e.g.: if we want to book 9 weeks off for a big trip it could be arranged. I also get 10% (the legally requied 9% + a bonus 1%) of my wage paid into a retirement fund because we're little socialist hippies. I contribute an additional 5% of my wage to it, which work then matches dollar for dollar. Superannuation rocks. e: Also, 49.4 hours per year of long service leave, which is accessable for me from 7 years. We are forced to take it if it gets too high as well. Nam Taf fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Oct 26, 2014 09:14
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We do have Social Security in the US. 6.2% of you pay gets put into it and your employer has to put in 6.2%. If it exists when people in their 20's retire who knows... Also there are some nice investment options available such as 401k's where many employers will match money you put it. Between the 2 my employer put in 10.2% and I put in 16.2%.
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Oct 26, 2014 15:50
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spwrozek posted:We do have Social Security in the US. 6.2% of you pay gets put into it and your employer has to put in 6.2%. If it exists when people in their 20's retire who knows... Yeah, but I think we'd all (BFC denizens) would rather have the money earmarked for SS but into an RRSSP or whatever account that we can control.
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Oct 26, 2014 17:01
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Bloody Queef posted:Yeah, but I think we'd all (BFC denizens) would rather have the money earmarked for SS but into an RRSSP or whatever account that we can control. For sure. Or at least an option for it. I know we are not great here but people act like we do nothing which isn't the case.
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Oct 26, 2014 17:49
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My employer used to match 3% but since it was acquired it now only matches $500/year. Petty lovely.
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Oct 26, 2014 17:51
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I don't mind putting in a few OT hours here and there, but at a former employer you were looked on as a slacker and not pulling your weight if you only put in 40/week. At least 50 (usually unpaid OT except for a few weeks here and there where the budget stars aligned) hours were expected and people were burning out since the extra hours were expected on weekends as well as during the week. I had a mandatory meeting scheduled for a Sunday once, conflicting with my final wedding dress fitting. There was a lot of huffing and puffing when I told them where they could shove that meeting, and the more gnashing of teeth when I dared to take time off to go get married. We still haven't done a honeymoon because if I'd taken off more time for that I probably would've come back to no job. Now I'm a contractor and I get paid time and a half for any OT worked so I get booted out the door as soon as I hit 40 
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Oct 26, 2014 19:32
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spwrozek posted:For sure. Or at least an option for it. I know we are not great here but people act like we do nothing which isn't the case. The reality is that some employers will only give you the bare minimum in legal benefits. If you're in Sweden, that's probably sufficient. If you're in the US, you need to shop around for a new employer. This probably only applies to professional workers in the US. Though I did work an hourly retail job in college that gave fairly decent health insurance and put 15.4% automatically in a 401k and had 2 weeks paid vacay.
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Oct 26, 2014 21:13
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Bloody Queef posted:Though I did work an hourly retail job in college that gave fairly decent health insurance and put 15.4% automatically in a 401k and had 2 weeks paid vacay. Sadly, that's significantly more than my professional coworkers get. 11 of the 16 people in my department get no vacation or sick days, no 401(k) access at all, and no health insurance. They are all classified as independent contractors and are subject to a variety of hilariously illegal contractual obligations that are just too difficult to fight to make it worth their time. I get 3 weeks of vacation, which gives me the highest total vacation amount in my department. 
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Oct 26, 2014 21:25
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Sundae posted:Sadly, that's significantly more than my professional coworkers get. 11 of the 16 people in my department get no vacation or sick days, no 401(k) access at all, and no health insurance. They are all classified as independent contractors and are subject to a variety of hilariously illegal contractual obligations that are just too difficult to fight to make it worth their time. If they're independent contractors, hopefully they're getting paid 30-100% more than a W2 employee to make up for no benefits. If not, they're idiots.
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Oct 26, 2014 21:58
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Bloody Queef posted:If they're independent contractors, hopefully they're getting paid 30-100% more than a W2 employee to make up for no benefits. If not, they're idiots. I get zero paid time off (well I did weasel into 6 paid gov't holidays, but I get no personal time for sick days or vacation) but I make about $5k more annually than I did salaried and since I have no benefits I get to keep most of it. I now take home over $1000 more per month despite only having a $5000 annual pay increase.
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Oct 26, 2014 22:40
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:I get zero paid time off (well I did weasel into 6 paid gov't holidays, but I get no personal time for sick days or vacation) but I make about $5k more annually than I did salaried and since I have no benefits I get to keep most of it. I now take home over $1000 more per month despite only having a $5000 annual pay increase. Are you a 1099? Because if you are don't forget about SE taxes. That would easily eat that extra 5k a year and then some.
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Oct 28, 2014 00:20
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Bloody Queef posted:Are you a 1099? I work for a contracting company so on taxes it's pretty much just like a regular salaried job. I didn't fill out a 1099.
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Oct 28, 2014 00:50
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Rudager posted:You guys need to loving full scale rebellion or something, I keep reading it and my jaw keeps dropping as an Australian' who's guaranteed by law a minimum of 4 weeks of paid annual leave (with a 11% leave loading) which must cumulate indefinitely and must be paid at cash value when leaving the job, on top of that I get a guaranteed 9% of my gross salary contributed to an investment fund, at my employers cost in my case but some will include it in the salary, for my retirement. Look, I'd prefer more benefits too, all things equal, but forced benefits are compensated by salary. So I just take a pay cut to take jobs with better benefits for me. Minimum mandatory is overly adhered to, surely, but people can probably get a similar compensation if they just took the resulting pay cut beyond entry level positions. All the compensation for time off bonuses are really irrelevant if your employer can do algebra.
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I'm currently working a 40hr/week job. I'm getting my written offer next week to move up a notch to a position that requires a Masters degree. So almost immediately I'm going from 40hrs/week of being comfortable and confident in my job to 40hrs/week in the office learning my new position/how to supervise/bunch more responsiblity (in addition to doing my old job until we hire someone), and then unknown time after the office/on weekends working on my schoolwork. Does anyone have any tips on how to deal with this workload beyond "suck it up"? Just thinking about it is giving me slight heart palpitations.
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reflex posted:I'm currently working a 40hr/week job. I'm getting my written offer next week to move up a notch to a position that requires a Masters degree. So almost immediately I'm going from 40hrs/week of being comfortable and confident in my job to 40hrs/week in the office learning my new position/how to supervise/bunch more responsiblity (in addition to doing my old job until we hire someone), and then unknown time after the office/on weekends working on my schoolwork. They won't expect you to know everything immediately. Go in, do whatever training they throw your way, and don't be afraid to ask questions from your peers/superiors/subordinates. Get your outside stuff done when you can, and maybe cut down on the coursework if you're afraid of overload, even if it's just for one semester. You're overthinking things. If they expect you to be able to do your old and your new job at the same time, you'd better be eligible for overtime, though.
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