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oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Just make sure you're picturing this when you read the letters:


:colbert:

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sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Regulators!

We regulate any selling of his oil rights, we’re drat good too. But you can’t be any geek off the street. You’ve gotta be handy with naval power if you know what I mean, earn your keep. Regulators, mount up!

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Fried Chicken posted:

:golfclap:



So it has become a thing for rich American couples to film their weddings with drones. Drones and weddings, huh? Insert your own hosed up gallows humor joke here.

Pffft lame. Now, weddings with a military escort?



That's the new poo poo right there.

sugar free jazz posted:

Regulators!

We regulate any selling of his oil rights, we’re drat good too. But you can’t be any geek off the street. You’ve gotta be handy with naval power if you know what I mean, earn your keep. Regulators, mount up!

:allears:

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

SavageBastard posted:

Slate Political Gabfest contributor spotted.
Long-time ashamed listener, first-time commenter.

Actually, I haven't had my podcasts in about two months because of phone issues and I'm going nuts.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

So this came across my radar this morning. You know how Hobby Lobby wanted to refuse certain types of birth control? This is an even crazier case.

Pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for Plan B and Ella and now Alliance Defending Freedom is taking the case to Washington because “No one should be forced to choose between their deepest religious convictions and their profession,”

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/News/PRDetail/9239

quote:

SEATTLE — The legal teams who won their cases on behalf of Conestoga Wood Specialties and Hobby Lobby at the U.S. Supreme Court filed a brief this week at the request of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit about the impact of the high court’s decision on a case involving two Washington pharmacists and a pharmacy owner. The 9th Circuit had suspended activity in their lawsuit, Stormans v. Wiesman, until the Supreme Court issued its ruling.

Attorneys with Alliance Defending Freedom, The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, and the Seattle law firm Ellis, Li & McKinstry represent clients opposed to Washington state regulations that would force them to dispense the “Plan B” and “ella” drugs in violation of their religious convictions rather than allow them to refer patients to other nearby pharmacies.

“No one should be forced to choose between their deepest religious convictions and their profession,” said ADF Senior Counsel Kristen Waggoner, a former partner at Ellis, Li & McKinstry and lead counsel for the plaintiffs challenging the state regulations. “Washington’s law is an extreme outlier. Many of the most respected medical and pharmaceutical associations, including the American Pharmacists Association, support the right of a provider to refer patients. The state allows providers to refer for nearly every other reason except conscience.”

After a 12-day trial in 2011, a federal district court in Washington suspended the state’s regulations. The ruling permitted the two pharmacists and the owners of Ralph’s Thriftway in Olympia to continue to refer customers rather than sell the drugs, which can terminate human life after conception.

The district court found that the state adopted its new regulations “primarily (if not solely)” to ban religiously motivated referrals while the state, at the same time, permits pharmacies to refrain from stocking and delivering drugs for “almost unlimited” business, economic, and convenience reasons. The state and attorneys from Planned Parenthood appealed the decision to the 9th Circuit.

In its opinion, the district court observed, “The Board of Pharmacy’s 2007 rules are not neutral, and they are not generally applicable. They were designed instead to force religious objectors to dispense Plan B, and they sought to do so despite the fact that refusals to deliver for all sorts of secular reasons were permitted. The rules are unconstitutional as applied to Plaintiffs.”

“The government cannot say that referrals motivated by profit or preference are okay, but referrals motivated by a religious belief are not,” said ADF Senior Counsel Steven H. Aden.

As the brief filed with the 9th Circuit explains, “it is undisputed that the effect of the Regulations is to force Plaintiffs to choose between their religious exercise and their profession. That is a deeply troubling result in light of Hobby Lobby. It is all the more troubling when the State has stipulated that Plaintiff’s conduct causes no harm; when there is ‘an existing, recognized, workable, and already-implemented’ alternative that fully meets the State’s goals…; when the State regularly permits that alternative for a host of non-religious reasons; and when 35 state and national pharmacy associations fully support the use of that alternative for religious reasons.”

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!
These rulings about religious belief essentially only cover Christians and vaginas, right? I'm sure I wouldn't be able to deny service to anyone who believed in a God at my Atheist Bakery.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Radbot posted:

These rulings about religious belief essentially only cover Christians and vaginas, right? I'm sure I wouldn't be able to deny service to anyone who believed in a God at my Atheist Bakery.

Don't worry the Church of Satan is on the case.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Maybe they should just take the Republican advice for when you don't like your working conditions or salary and just get a new job.

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...
Didn't some store make a rule about not starting a shift unless there is at least one pharmacist capable of dispensing medication in response to a case like this?

Radbot
Aug 12, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!

Are these guys as awesome as they seem? Everything I know about the Church of Satan paints them as reasonable and friendly people with a (progressive) political trolling streak.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Radbot posted:

Are these guys as awesome as they seem? Everything I know about the Church of Satan paints them as reasonable and friendly people with a (progressive) political trolling streak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puwllq0fBLs

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Their recent political moves and the show Silicon Valley make me want to contact the local chapter about joining.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

Radbot posted:

These rulings about religious belief essentially only cover Christians and vaginas, right? I'm sure I wouldn't be able to deny service to anyone who believed in a God at my Atheist Bakery.

Actually, I think it would be closer to having a Jewish deli worker saying he/she is chosing not to serve any non-kosher food and he can't be fired/punished for it.

SavageBastard
Nov 16, 2007
Professional Lurker

ReindeerF posted:

Long-time ashamed listener, first-time commenter.

Actually, I haven't had my podcasts in about two months because of phone issues and I'm going nuts.

I presume you've been skipping cocktail parties during this time for obvious reasons.

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...

LorneReams posted:

Actually, I think it would be closer to having a Jewish deli worker saying he/she is chosing not to serve any non-kosher food and he can't be fired/punished for it.

Except goyim aren't a protected class, while women are.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

So this came across my radar this morning. You know how Hobby Lobby wanted to refuse certain types of birth control? This is an even crazier case.

Pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for Plan B and Ella and now Alliance Defending Freedom is taking the case to Washington because “No one should be forced to choose between their deepest religious convictions and their profession,”

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/News/PRDetail/9239

Wait this is actually a case? The plaintiffs win, slam dunk. It won't even be a 5-4 decision. LONG long legal precedent for letting doctors and pharmacists issue referrals rather than doing procedures on religious grounds, and being protected from lawsuits that follow from the negative consequences of them doing so.

I remember first learning about abortion as a kid because of a case like this in the 90s. A woman was in a wreck, they discovered in the treatment she was pregnant, she wanted an abortion but the catholic hospital she was at wouldn't do it and since she was in intensive care she couldn't be transferred. Ended up having to carry it to term because by the time she was cleared to be moved it was too far along.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Is there some sort of living will that you can sign so they will never send you to a Catholic hospital?

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

SavageBastard posted:

I presume you've been skipping cocktail parties during this time for obvious reasons.
There aren't a lot of Jewish community centers in Bangkok, so they don't make it here much.

Seriously, is there anything more beltway cocktail circuit painful than listening to John Dickerson and David Plotz and Emily Bazelon? Each of them encompasses one entire aspect of what I hate about our political media, with obvious Venn Diagram overlap.

EDIT: Actually, currently in Phuket where they never make it.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Fried Chicken posted:

Wait this is actually a case? The plaintiffs win, slam dunk. It won't even be a 5-4 decision. LONG long legal precedent for letting doctors and pharmacists issue referrals rather than doing procedures on religious grounds, and being protected from lawsuits that follow from the negative consequences of them doing so.

I remember first learning about abortion as a kid because of a case like this in the 90s. A woman was in a wreck, they discovered in the treatment she was pregnant, she wanted an abortion but the catholic hospital she was at wouldn't do it and since she was in intensive care she couldn't be transferred. Ended up having to carry it to term because by the time she was cleared to be moved it was too far along.

I just like that they are complaining because they are not doing the job they were hired to do. Plus Ella and Plan B are not abortifacient but that is something they will refuse to admit

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Fried Chicken posted:

So it has become a thing for rich American couples to film their weddings with drones. Drones and weddings, huh? Insert your own hosed up gallows humor joke here.

We either need to start referring to these as just quadcopters or find something else to call predator drones, because they are two very obviously different things.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:

Radbot posted:

Are these guys as awesome as they seem? Everything I know about the Church of Satan paints them as reasonable and friendly people with a (progressive) political trolling streak.

Well since a church of satan leader was quoted as saying Ayn Rand is the closest their philosophy I'm guessing no,it only proves how crazy the country is getting.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
While it applies to both, I think UAV is distinct in its connotation (unless you're a security nutter and want to call your quadcopter a UAV).

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...

SirKibbles posted:

Well since a church of satan leader was quoted as saying Ayn Rand is the closest their philosophy I'm guessing no,it only proves how crazy the country is getting.

Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple are different organizations.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

SirKibbles posted:

Well since a church of satan leader was quoted as saying Ayn Rand is the closest their philosophy I'm guessing no,it only proves how crazy the country is getting.

Yes, how crazy it is that all of the people you consider bad guys are not working in lockstep together.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
I just don't really find anything alarming about using an RV toy to take wedding pictures.

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...

computer parts posted:

Yes, how crazy it is that all of the people you consider bad guys are not working in lockstep together.

You're trying too hard.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Joementum posted:

I just don't really find anything alarming about using an RV toy to take wedding pictures.

Yeah it sounds kind of cool to me.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Joementum posted:

I just don't really find anything alarming about using an RV toy to take wedding pictures.

Yes, that's what they're counting on.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:

You're trying too hard.

Sorry, I should've said "scheming together".

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Joementum posted:

I just don't really find anything alarming about using an RV toy to take wedding pictures.
Do you New Englanders serious drive radio controlled RVs around? That wouldn't surprise me, actually.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Radish posted:

Yeah it sounds kind of cool to me.

Also I don't think its exclusive to rich people, the camera quads are only $150-200.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Check it out eh we're like Brehkin Bad here ayup.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:

GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:

Church of Satan and the Satanic Temple are different organizations.

Never mind then why can't be people be united in their love for the dark lord and master :smith:

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

ReindeerF posted:

Do you New Englanders serious drive radio controlled RVs around? That wouldn't surprise me, actually.

Nope, but if ya feckin' flatlandahs'd do that instead'a drivin' round like snails ta peep the leaves, we'd appreciate it.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

SirKibbles posted:

Never mind then why can't be people be united in their love rational self-interest for the dark lord and master :smith:

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Joementum posted:

I just don't really find anything alarming about using an RV toy to take wedding pictures.

There isn't, but I was hoping we'd get some dark humor from the thread. Last week they were posting from the Star Wars - 9/11, I figured we'd see something on that level of twisted.

And I don't thing quibbling over calling civil models drones will do much. No one conflated army jeeps with machine guns with regular jeeps, or a F-16 with a 747 because both are planes

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Nonsense posted:

Also I don't think its exclusive to rich people, the camera quads are only $150-200.

Also I like the mental image of them getting someone's nerd relative to try and clumsily pilot his drone/quadcopter he bought at Microcenter the week prior to take pictures and having it lazily float around the wedding party as the couple are trying to give their vows and ignore it.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Fried Chicken posted:

There isn't, but I was hoping we'd get some dark humor from the thread. Last week they were posting from the Star Wars - 9/11, I figured we'd see something on that level of twisted.

And I don't thing quibbling over calling civil models drones will do much. No one conflated army jeeps with machine guns with regular jeeps, or a F-16 with a 747 because both are planes

It's funny though because there's a lot of hysteria about drones that was redirected* as "scary new military tech"* rather than "US military killing people".

*Assuming that wasn't the feeling from the start.

GROVER CURES HOUSE
Aug 26, 2007

Go on...

SirKibbles posted:

Never mind then why can't be people be united in their love for the dark lord and master :smith:

To be fair, they agree on most points except for whether our Lord and Savior wants us to be colossal assholes to everyone or just towards other colossal assholes.

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A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

Radbot posted:

Are these guys as awesome as they seem? Everything I know about the Church of Satan paints them as reasonable and friendly people with a (progressive) political trolling streak.

The founder(?) has gone on record saying that they basically follow the tenants of Rand. Now this might be to troll people like Ryan and Paul but IIRC that comment was made before there were Randoid politicians so yeah.

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