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How did cocaine work as an anaesthesia compared to the drugs we have today? Initially i wondered why the patients weren't getting addicted to it, but i assume that it is okay in a few small necessary doses?
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Oasx posted:How did cocaine work as an anaesthesia compared to the drugs we have today? Initially i wondered why the patients weren't getting addicted to it, but i assume that it is okay in a few small necessary doses? It was incredibly useful, and is still used today in very specific situations, like nasal surgery. When injected directly into the site it works fantastically well as an anesthetic but given its recreational use its so highly regulated there is only one company in the US allowed to work with/process/prepare it for medical use.
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Oct 4, 2014 09:52
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I hope Lucy and Cornelia are using whatever version of horrible birth control was available in 1900.
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Oct 4, 2014 10:46
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PaybackJack posted:It shows, there was some great camera work & editing in that last episode; not to mention the rest of the series. My favorite bit from a piece on him I read a while back was how on each of his movie, at the end of the day, he would screen a a rough edit of the day's shooting for the cast and crew in the local hotel bar. How cool is that?
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Oct 4, 2014 10:52
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I loved the weird, frantic editing in the medical lecture/conference scene with Thack all coked up.
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Oct 4, 2014 12:24
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The camerawork during that surgeon's conference was pretty great. The way it cut back and forth so quickly, often zoomed in just a little too much, gave a great impression of how wound up and hyper Thackery must have been feeling. Same later on when he's dealing with early withdrawal. Soderbergh is really drat good at this.
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Oct 4, 2014 12:27
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So, who's doing the odds on Nurse Elkins dying of Strychnine poisoning? 
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Oct 4, 2014 13:54
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Did she drink the strychnine mix? I thought that was just Thack? Not sure about her dying from that, but I could definitely see her getting dragged down into Thackery's poo poo and that killing her or some other terrible thing. I find I keep stopping the show just to gawk at some of the shots. Algernon and Cornelia in Algernon's apartment, the lanterns on the table while Thack is drifting off, him looking over his shoulder after finding Christiansen and seeing Lucy there in the middle of the group.
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Oct 4, 2014 17:08
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So uh... why did he take the strychnine? It's a straight up poison, 2 mg is lethal and kills you terribly. Did he expect to get high from it? e: oh, apparently in very small doses it's a stimulant.
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Oct 5, 2014 00:48
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The Knick: Steven Soderbergh's one-man puppet show
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Oasx posted:How did cocaine work as an anaesthesia compared to the drugs we have today? Initially i wondered why the patients weren't getting addicted to it, but i assume that it is okay in a few small necessary doses? Like pentyne said, things like cocaine and heroin are still used today because they just are that effective. Pretty much all painkillers and anaesthesia are incredibly addictive but you also don't just get addicted to something by taking it once, even in a recreational sense. I've worked and work with people who did and do some pretty hard drugs and unless you were there beside them when they were taking them you just wouldn't guess at it. I know this because I've also worked with a couple people who actually were addicted and were literally smoking crack in the restroom. You do have to be very careful prescribing or using them of course, especially in medical situations, because "pain" is actually still a pretty nebulous concept that no one has any way of measuring beyond asking the patient. We know you definitely wouldn't want to be a awake or aware of the area for surgery, amputation, or any other invasive procedure by beyond that its guesswork, albeit educated guesswork.
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Oct 5, 2014 19:15
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Not knowing much about drugs or drug abuse, i guess it was just my naive mind that was surprised to hear them use cocaine. Though i thought that unless you get near morphine levels of painkillers, that the drugs today are generally safe.
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Oct 5, 2014 22:38
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There really can't be enough good things said about that conference scene. I loved the sustained shot on Thackeray's face during the surgery as well. Soderberg really knows how to make the audience uncomfortable.
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Oct 6, 2014 11:56
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So is Thack going to get/stay clean or go back as soon it gets in stock?
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Oct 6, 2014 15:54
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Clive Owen is really amazing in this, isn't he? Best thing's he's done since Children of Men.
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Oct 6, 2014 16:03
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Apart from Children of Men, this is the only thing i have seen Clive Owen in.
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Oct 6, 2014 17:30
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Oasx posted:Apart from Children of Men, this is the only thing i have seen Clive Owen in. The BWM commericals, The Hire from the early 2000s are where he made his name and worth checking out; particularly the one with James Brown and Gary Oldman as the devil. Also Closer is a fantastic film that's pretty much just a play with the 4 name actors. Edited with a link to the video; R.I.P. Tony Scott.
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Oct 6, 2014 18:52
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I first noticed him in The Hire series as mentioned above, he's also the hitman sent after Jason Bourne in the first movie. I seem to remember his name being brought up a lot in discussion as a possible James Bond before Craig got the role.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:40
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Shoot em' Up is a fun time all in all.
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Oct 6, 2014 20:42
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r0ck0 posted:So is Thack going to get/stay clean or go back as soon it gets in stock? He'll go back.
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Oct 6, 2014 21:46
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Venal Health Inspector has solidified his position as the objectively best character on the show IMHO. edit: wrong adjective, apparently. Kulkasha fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 7, 2014 04:36
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Kulkasha posted:Slovenly Health Inspector has solidified his position as the objectively best character on the show IMHO. "Slovenly" is the wrong word. In a word of filth and disease he's probably the only person besides the doctors and nurses following a strict regime of personal hygiene. Typhoid Mary spread the disease so quickly because she refused to wash her hands when preparing food, claiming it wouldn't matter, and that attitude probably wasn't to far from the norm at the time.
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Oct 9, 2014 02:41
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pentyne posted:"Slovenly" is the wrong word. In a word of filth and disease he's probably the only person besides the doctors and nurses following a strict regime of personal hygiene. Typhoid Mary spread the disease so quickly because she refused to wash her hands when preparing food, claiming it wouldn't matter, and that attitude probably wasn't to far from the norm at the time. Yeah, he's more 'uncouth Health Inspector' than slovenly.
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Oct 9, 2014 17:35
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What happened there at the end? I didn't catch what they said.
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Oct 11, 2014 03:44
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What, the dousing her genitals with cocaine part? This episode was brutal. They're probably going to kill someone off next episode. It's like, they shoved every depressing thing they can in this episode short of death, so in the finale they're gonna off someone 
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Oct 11, 2014 04:16
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That was definitely the most dismal, depressing episode yet. Holy gently caress.
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Oct 11, 2014 05:18
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Feels bad man .
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Whispering Machines posted:What, the dousing her genitals with cocaine part? It looked like baby number two was dead, so they even had that going for the episode.
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Oct 11, 2014 06:55
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Did that doctor's wife kill the baby by drowning or did she snap after the child died?
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Oct 11, 2014 07:12
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pentyne posted:Did that doctor's wife kill the baby by drowning or did she snap after the child died? She went nuts from the first baby's death, and as a result of her psychosis, drowned the adopted baby in ice water. Then her husband called for the loony bin people to come take her away later in the evening.
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Oct 11, 2014 07:18
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Well, at least she'll be taken care of by professionals, right? 
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Oct 11, 2014 09:04
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It's John Hodgman!  Oh he's there to restrain the wife to take her to Bellevue or somewhere horrible
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Oct 11, 2014 09:09
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Finally, Hodgman's New Sincerity-brand ironic facial hair came in good use.
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Oct 11, 2014 09:51
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That was just...wow. I loved the humming when they took the wife away. And god drat this show looks amazing.
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Oct 11, 2014 13:44
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I didn't care that much for this episode, i don't find the cocaine storyline particularly interesting, nor the Edwards/Robertson affair for that matter.
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Oct 11, 2014 14:12
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Like many other people it seems I certainly wasn't expecting John Hodgman, Eccentric Billionaire, to make an appearance. Everything is going to go very, very wrong soon, isn't it?
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Oasx posted:I didn't care that much for this episode, i don't find the cocaine storyline particularly interesting, nor the Edwards/Robertson affair for that matter. I'm struggling to see the endgame. The affair has few outcomes, the only positive being they cut ties and she makes an random excuse not to marry creepy father in law's son. The cocaine story was a long time coming, because addicts can stay functional as long as they have a steady supply of the drug, but once that runs out they goes apeshit trying to score a fix, as evidenced by Thackery trying to jump onto the miracle health cure bandwagon after his arrest. It begs the question as to whether or not Thackery can be a brilliant/effective without the drug. Edwards had a really amusing dismissal when the Nurse tried to say that maybe the cocaine helped Thackery be a 'genius' while Edwards just points out that an addict is an addict no matter how well they function.
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It's of note that the person that Owen's character was based on lived his life addicted to Cocaine and Morphine. Life long addictions were not uncommon at the time. This episode was particularly brutal, especially the end as he's just dragging her down into his pit.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:38
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I have a feeling the nurse dies of a drug OD in the finale.
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pentyne posted:The cocaine story was a long time coming, because addicts can stay functional as long as they have a steady supply of the drug, but once that runs out they goes apeshit trying to score a fix, as evidenced by Thackery trying to jump onto the miracle health cure bandwagon after his arrest. My problem with it was that nothing really happened, nobody tried to get him off his drug addiction, and there isn't enough cocaine around to satisfy his need. So i am just afraid we are going to see the same thing happen next episode.
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