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I still like a lot of the characters. I just wish the games treated those characters I like better?
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Honestly, I don't think the problem is that people are mad because there are less female protagonists in SRW games these days, granted that is true and I would like more female protagonists as well. The real problem is that none of the female 'leads' in recent titles have any type of agency in the story, and they either exist as plot devices and/or a damsel in distress for the male protagonist to protect. However it's even more apparent in the handheld titles such as L, UX and now BX, or the Esther case from Z2.2. The female characters just aren't interesting and or compelling to the story, and are reduced to anime waifu for the bland protagonist to save. Said bland protagonist is made a 'good' character, in the sense that he is 'righteous' and 'super-nice' so that the audience can treat the protagonist as a self-insert. And then the female lead is reduced to a pair of tits and rear end for some strange weirdo to do stuff. And I guess, that's why people are mad. Make your characters interesting Banpresto, but don't confuse interesting for a rehashed plot device, or do them a disservice by destroying their character... don't be disrespectful to your character and make them a human being who we can relate to, and just a list of tropes to check off. It's okay for ladies to have huge tits so long as that lady is a well-developed character who we can grow to respect and remember for being a character maybe look up to her even. Those are my two cents on the matter. I'll end this post by thanking Seyzer Koze for being a wonderful person for translating Original Generations and for giving us an analysis on Ingram, which blew my loving mind. And also for translating OG2 which looks really hard. Thanks for everything man, keep up the great work.
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Aug 12, 2015 03:22
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Blaze Dragon posted:I'd say the best way to go would be to have separate posts for the opening and ending. Splitting into scenes is optional, but having everything together is kind of a mess, at least separate them when the gameplay starts. I'm going back to this. I'd say it's less disruptive to open the post for a scene, read it to the end, and close it again than to switch back and forth between two posts every time it says "okay, stop reading and switch back to the other one." Especially when we start getting lengthy scenes in mid-mission, which will start happening pretty soon.
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Aug 12, 2015 04:07
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GodofDiscord posted:Honestly, I don't think the problem is that people are mad because there are less female protagonists in SRW games these days, granted that is true and I would like more female protagonists as well. The real problem is that none of the female 'leads' in recent titles have any type of agency in the story, and they either exist as plot devices and/or a damsel in distress for the male protagonist to protect. However it's even more apparent in the handheld titles such as L, UX and now BX, or the Esther case from Z2.2. The female characters just aren't interesting and or compelling to the story, and are reduced to anime waifu for the bland protagonist to save. Said bland protagonist is made a 'good' character, in the sense that he is 'righteous' and 'super-nice' so that the audience can treat the protagonist as a self-insert. And then the female lead is reduced to a pair of tits and rear end for some strange weirdo to do stuff. Welcome to anime writing 101.
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Aug 12, 2015 04:11
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Neo_Crimson posted:Welcome to anime writing 101.  Yeah, I know that anime is usually like this.
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Aug 12, 2015 06:18
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It's also a distinct Thing that BX is liable to be a huge sausagefest. Let's see there's a handful of Dunbine people (tbf Marvel's kinda cool and that evil queen lady is just  ), someone I don't know from Galient, the Nadesico girls, whoever it is from Macross 30, and...I think there were a few that managed to escape AGE treating them like poo poo? Oh and the girls in girl-bots from the Mazingers as much as that's worth. And that's like IT even considering the enemy side. Sorrow.
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Aug 12, 2015 22:28
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Gyra_Solune posted:It's also a distinct Thing that BX is liable to be a huge sausagefest. Let's see there's a handful of Dunbine people (tbf Marvel's kinda cool and that evil queen lady is just You forgot Klan. But other than that you're right.
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Aug 13, 2015 00:05
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Ashram posted:Wow, second stage and Axel is already acting like a horrible person. And he is supposed to be the good guy in his universe I think From what little I know. No Axel is a bad dude. I think it was this game Or Gaiden that decided to make him less of a horrible person and he is still a pretty horrible person from what little I know. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 02:11
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MonsterEnvy posted:From what little I know. No Axel is a bad dude. I think it was this game that decided to make him less of a horrible person. He noted "in his universe" which is true. Axel has a v. bad home universe.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:13
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ImpAtom posted:He noted "in his universe" which is true. Axel has a v. bad home universe. Thought he was talking about Advance which he were he debuted.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:17
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Mission 3 The intermission screen is so lonely now.  Intro quote:A squad of Fed pilots is trying to figure out what to do about Tesla - they hear that the Feds' Beowulves are coming, which freaks them out even more than the unknown enemies. Axel runs into them on the way back, meaning he has to eliminate them.  We have three turns to eliminate the Feds for the battle mastery. Yes, we're playing as Axel.  And that means we get to use the Soulgain, which has a built-in 10% energy regen and 30% HP regen.   Axel himself has a full suite of skills; a commander aura, Prevail, Insight, Guard, Revenge, and one support attack per turn. Not that Axel has any friends to support. For spirits he has Strike and Grit.    The Soulgain dodges pretty well for a Super (given that Axel doesn't have Focus yet), but it is basically Martial Arts Bot, so maybe that should be expected. His first attack is Genbu's Orb. Also, Dark Knight is one of the better pilot themes.        Delightful. As you can see, we are once again in no danger of dying. Even if all four Gespensts hit us in a single turn, we'd probably regen all the damage at the beginning of the next.     That being said, we are actually at a slight risk of missing the mastery, since Axel may not necessarily kill the Gespies in one hit. The terrain is actually rough enough to cut down your movement, so if you're careless you could end up just missing it.   Then again, I'm mostly messing around because the Soulgain has two other attacks to show off. Its strongest attack (at least for the moment) is Byakko's Fang.         That would be the one Fiona took for Raul on the last mission.   And to finish things off, an attack we heard about last mission but didn't get to watch:         Kaboom.     The Federation troops are eliminated, though Axel worries that it's only a matter of time until more arrive. W16 contacts him; the main force has reached Tesla, and Vindel will be departing shortly. In response to her request, Axel says that he'll be a little late, but he's on his way back. Closing quote:Axel gets back to Tesla and speaks with Lemon Browning. Lemon speculates about whether she will be on the other side. They talk a bit about the Numbers who were sent through first; Axel has a pessimistic outlook about the whole thing after what happened with the First Jumper.  Strike a pose, SRX team! Seyser Koze fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 02:18
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Honestly I kind of preferred how, in the original, it was perfectly plausible to think that "Beowulf" was just Kyosuke and that Axel was just a biased rear end in a top hat. In light of everything else about Axel in OG2, it seemed like Occam's Razor.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:30
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Einander posted:Honestly I kind of preferred how, in the original, it was perfectly plausible to think that "Beowulf" was just Kyosuke and that Axel was just a biased rear end in a top hat. In light of everything else about Axel in OG2, it seemed like Occam's Razor. It's in all honesty a retcon. While OG1 went through the remake mostly unchanged plot wise, OG2 gets quite a few retcons.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:32
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Dr Pepper posted:It's in all honesty a retcon. Like trying to make Axel come across as a slightly better person. Apparently it was due to fan reaction.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:37
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Huh, Axel's a good guy or something? That's weird, his look still screams that he's a villain and after last map he's pretty clearly a shady. I'm guessing he'll be a major opponent for whoever the actual protagonists of this game turns out to be, especially since he seems to be working with Excellen's mum (or just another family member I suppose) and there's no chance she's on the up and up. Also, I can't believe they're actually doing something with Kyosuke. He was kind of static all throughout OG1 and now he's been brainwashed I guess, these games really seem to love the brainwashing. But at least Kyosuke's character appears to be moving in a direction, if he really is going to be as major a part of OG2 as people have been saying I was hoping he'd get some more things to him other than being stoic and rather lucky. That'd be enough for most characters but for someone who's apparently the main character for the first 2 OGs it'd be kind of boring.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:40
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So if that's what happened to Beowulf in this universe, do we find out Lucifer's fate in this game? Axel was originally one of the protagonists of Advance, hence his heroic theme song.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:42
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A huge chunk of OG2 is retconned. It's kinda important to note because these retcons carry over to all further sequels so certain events that happen in OG2 GBA are overwritten. Also as far as Axel goes, his story is kinda complex and I'm not sure how much of it qualifies as spoilers. He was one of the protagonists of Super Robot Wars Advance but there he begins with amnesia and develops a personality based off hanging out with either the Dragonar Team or the Super Robot Army. Axel here is pretty different.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:44
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Also, I can't believe they're actually doing something with Kyosuke. He was kind of static all throughout OG1 and now he's been brainwashed I guess, these games really seem to love the brainwashing. But at least Kyosuke's character appears to be moving in a direction, if he really is going to be as major a part of OG2 as people have been saying I was hoping he'd get some more things to him other than being stoic and rather lucky. That'd be enough for most characters but for someone who's apparently the main character for the first 2 OGs it'd be kind of boring. The other reason it's not all that great has nothing to do with the game. It's how the explanation is given, or rather, the format it's given in: an audio drama CD released after this game came out.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:50
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Huh, Axel's a good guy or something? That's weird, his look still screams that he's a villain and after last map he's pretty clearly a shady. Axel is one of the two selectable protagonists of Super Robot wars A. The way the game went, the protagonist you didn't pick was on the opposing side. We don't meet the other A protagonist for a couple more stages.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:51
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This would be a good time to remind everybody to err on the side of caution when it comes to spoilers.
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Aug 13, 2015 02:56
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I was going to say something, but yes, I think it is best to wait for a bit. Was Lemon's last name the same in A/A Portable? Was it even mentioned? It's been so long since I played it that I cannot remember.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:00
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HiKaizer posted:Was Lemon's last name the same in A/A Portable? Was it even mentioned? It's been so long since I played it that I cannot remember. Yes.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:00
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Wounded Land posted:So if that's what happened to Beowulf in this universe, do we find out Lucifer's fate in this game? Called Dark Knight.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:01
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ImpAtom posted:Yes. Interesting. I won't comment any more on that for now then! Edit: I love how DARK KNIGHT doesn't really sound dark at all.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:02
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Seyser Koze posted:This would be a good time to remind everybody to err on the side of caution when it comes to spoilers. Would posting the opening scene of The Inspectors be fine? Because that's a drat good fight.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:12
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Axel may be a dick, but he's an entertaining one. Also, his theme song alone jsutifies his existence. Dark Knight!
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Aug 13, 2015 03:14
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GilliamYaeger posted:Would posting the opening scene of The Inspectors be fine? Because that's a drat good fight. I'm almost positive it would be major spoilers. It shows some real specific things. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 03:15
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I like Beowulf. I kind of like Axel. I think the story behind them both is neat. Beowulf's Mark III is amazing. And The Inspectors opening is fantastic, but probably gives away a bit much.
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Aug 13, 2015 03:23
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Funny way of spelling ROCKET SOULPUNCH 
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Aug 13, 2015 03:47
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From looking through his history I have more or less figured out the truth about Axel. Throughout the games he has had 5 Personalities a different one in each game he shows up in. Also it appears that all of his attacks are named after the 4 sacred Beasts. Genbu, Byakkyo, Seiryu and Suzaku. (Though he has not used his Suzaku attack yet.) MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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Aug 13, 2015 03:49
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GilliamYaeger posted:Would posting the opening scene of The Inspectors be fine? Because that's a drat good fight. If the urge is overwhelming, post it in the general thread.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:07
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GilliamYaeger posted:You forgot Klan. Will we even get Klan? This is probably about the time where they'd go and trim down the Frontier crew depending on how involved it is, and Klan's only just ahead of Canaria in terms of being put on the chopping block.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:42
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So, originally in the GBA version of this game, it's a hell of a lot less obvious that Beowulf has something wrong with him... mostly because A. He never talks and B. They ran pretty hard with Axel being an irredeamable poo poo. Here, he's obviously loving crazy so at least there's speculation abount. I would also like the time to mention Super Robot Wars OG2: Version A. Which is a fan hack (all in japanese) that makes a very key change to the plot of OG2, that is a certain character swaps roles with Axel who takes on his SRW Advanced personality to fit in like with that game. It's a pretty fun hack since it changes other things, such as starting mecha and pilot stats, but obviously you can't read any of the plot changes.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:51
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Onmi posted:They ran pretty hard with Axel being an irredeamable poo poo. Axel is still an evil poo poo here just not nearly as bad as he was in OG2.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:42
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Not gonna lie, I never really got the love for Dark Knight. Anyway, to get an idea of how much OGs changed OG2's plot, I have a friend who actually went straight from OG2 to 2nd OGs. Like every two chapters he kept messaging me to ask what the hell was going on.  It's been mentioned before, but the naming scheme on the OG games is completely hosed. 2nd OGs is technically OG4!
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Aug 13, 2015 06:51
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MonsterEnvy posted:Axel is still an evil poo poo here just not nearly as bad as he was in OG2. I feel they downgraded his evil from 'overconfident, cocky villain' to 'that one jerk uncle that keeps showing up at reunions and he's kinda cool sometimes but then he says something racist or gets into a fight with one of your friends.' So, you know, improvement.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:56
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BlitzBlast posted:Not gonna lie, I never really got the love for Dark Knight. I never did either, but such is life. And what did they expect, skipping OGG too?
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Aug 13, 2015 17:17
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I think he figured OG Gaiden would be about as important as Alpha Gaiden was? Or it was just that it never came out in english and he didn't really start playing SRW again until recently.
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Aug 13, 2015 17:47
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I mean OGG is a bit more important than Alpha Gaiden since, you know, what happened for the majority of the game was actually canonical to the rest of the storyline going forward! even if looking at 2nd OGS "ohman i'm going to cut the coolest and most memorable character entirely and reduce another two to a doofy support machine" wouldn't lead you to believe that rip folka, you were a true hero to your country ;.;
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Ah...so much to talk about after this mission, and all of it would be gigantic spoilers. Such is the nature of OG2, I guess. And to those that go into this LP knowing nothing about the story: If you liked "batshit-insane" Kyosuke, wait till you meet the rest of this world's versions of the ATX team. Also, if the Soulgain is a basic Martial Arts Mecha, does that make the Ialdabaoth an advanced one? Ashram fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Aug 13, 2015 |
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