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You use Ibis because her theme is cool. Really, isn't that why you use anyone?
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Introducing Archibald Grims. He is a creep.
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Aug 21, 2015 23:06
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Ibis was a lot more notable in Alpha 2 where she was basically Magikarp. In OG2 she's just kind of  even with later gains. Don't know how OGs changes it up, if it does.Also, it's a little weird that they call a space program Terrestrial Dream, but I suppose they didn't want to go with Project ED. 
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Aug 21, 2015 23:42
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BlitzBlast posted:If I remember right, Ibis in OG2 is practically Leaf in Fire Emblem 5; her final mech is just the mediocre thing she starts Alpha 2 in. It's not. She finishes in a mech that is two upgrades away from what she starts @2 in. Anyway, you use Ibis because she's cool and SRW is not actually hard. No, not even OG2.
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So it might have been mentioned earlier, but OGs incorporates a couple of cosmetic updates here and there from Divine Wars. Mostly in the form of pilot outfits, such as Kyosuke and Excellen's (they never wore them in Impact or the GBA games) and the Project TD people who had a brief cameo where they worked with Tenzan on the Lion in episode 4. Interestingly, Irm also had one in Divine Wars (the standard Federation suit with blue coloring instead of green), and showed up an early trailer for OGs, but ultimately got dropped for the final release because what sick monster would forbid that mullet from flying freely? Oh right, the Divine Wars staff who came up with the pilot suit in the first place.Neo_Crimson posted:And now I'm going to hear Filio's dialogue on Otakon's voice. 
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Aug 22, 2015 00:26
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Introducing some of OG's better female characters: Lamia and Ibis. The OG plot doesn't love them as much as their original games did though, but we'll get there in time. You know how the Angelg is a magical girl super robot and no one bats an eye about it? Yeah, that's never getting explained and OG Mecha will only get more ridiculous down the line. If you liked how relatively down to Earth OG1 was technology wise, sans a magic robot from another world and a combiner made using psychic alien tech, don't expect that to be a thing again! Also Ibis is neat in OG2 because she's one of the few pilots with unique units who can still wield equippable weapons. Way too many units in OG2 have fixed equipment you can't change at all.
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Aug 22, 2015 01:28
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GimmickMan posted:
They've seen the Valsione. Angelg is just step up in size, and does not have a face.
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Aug 22, 2015 01:40
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Repster posted:They've seen the Valsione. Angelg is just step up in size, and does not have a face. They were trying to make a feminine-ish unit Ryusei wouldn't want to hump. We'll see if they succeeded when he gets his first look at it.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:14
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SorataYuy posted:They were trying to make a feminine-ish unit Ryusei wouldn't want to hump. We'll see if they succeeded when he gets his first look at it. Not nearly enough Armor. The AngelG is distressingly fragile for a super. Also poo poo Mobility but that's what Afterimage is for.....when it decides to kick in. And then drains you of your EN leaving you phoenix-less.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:16
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SorataYuy posted:They were trying to make a feminine-ish unit Ryusei wouldn't want to hump. We'll see if they succeeded when he gets his first look at it. It's like they never met Ryusei. I want to see @3 translated just to see his reaction to that Fei-yen.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:19
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GimmickMan posted:Introducing some of OG's better female characters: Lamia and Ibis. The OG plot doesn't love them as much as their original games did though, but we'll get there in time. After you've met the magical mecha from the Inner Earth that can access the Akashic Records and comes with two magical cat familiars that can talk, you kind of learn to jsut go with it. What I'm saying is that Masaki is Sailor Moon.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:23
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Not nearly enough Armor. Double Image doesn't drain EN though 
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Aug 22, 2015 03:01
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MarsDragon posted:Double Image doesn't drain EN though Didn't it do so in the GBA games? ....hm.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:02
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Didn't it do so in the GBA games? Nope, I just just checked.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:16
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SorataYuy posted:They were trying to make a feminine-ish unit Ryusei wouldn't want to hump. We'll see if they succeeded when he gets his first look at it. Have you LOOKED at Angelg in it's non-chibied form? You don't give a bot those baps with that intention in mind.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:17
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Hellioning posted:It's like they never met Ryusei. His reaction was basically a loud squeal of delight IIRC.
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Aug 22, 2015 03:38
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Didn't it do so in the GBA games?
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Aug 22, 2015 03:44
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I guess Ibis is Noriko if Gunbuster had actually been done as a TV series... running over the course of several years... Where the first half of episode 1 was an entire season... And Filio seems like an untrustworthy character in almost the exact opposite way Ingram was.
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Aug 22, 2015 07:01
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Wounded Land posted:And Filio seems like an untrustworthy character in almost the exact opposite way Ingram was. A walking disaster waiting to happen that has no control over anything, as opposed to someone who obviously knows exactly what is going on and is blatantly manipulating everyone he comes in contact with?
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Aug 22, 2015 09:04
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Something like that, yeah. Something about his design says "luckless and lacking in willpower," which is born out by the way he sorta lets Isurugi walk all over him.
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Aug 22, 2015 17:04
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SorataYuy posted:They were trying to make a feminine-ish unit Ryusei wouldn't want to hump. We'll see if they succeeded when he gets his first look at it. Ryu wanted to hump the SRX. As long as it has good specs our protagonist is gonna squee over it. And, yeah, in an universe with the Valsione, the SRX and Cybuster (not mentioning enemy commanders' mechs) the Angelg is not really worthy more than noticing that it doesn't match the declared builder's usual style.
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Aug 22, 2015 18:27
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Wounded Land posted:Something like that, yeah. Something about his design says "luckless and lacking in willpower," which is born out by the way he sorta lets Isurugi walk all over him.
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Aug 22, 2015 21:08
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AradoBalanga posted:You have to understand where Filio is coming from in this case. He's an ex-Divine Crusaders supporter and one of the chief designers who helped make the Lion series happen. In a post-war environment like we have here, there is not a whole lot of supporters for Filio to find and fund what is essentially a dream project (probably why it's named Terrestrial Dream in the first place) of one of the DC's chief designers, even though he's peacefully surrendered and more or less got off scot-free given what the DC did. The fact that Mitsuko Isurugi even listened to Filio in the first place is amazing enough, considering she's picking up the pieces of her father's mess of co-conspiring to sell Earth out to aliens. Plus, because of Karl's meddling, Mao Industries is slowly rolling out new prototypes/resuming full production while Isurugi has plenty of well-tested units ready to roll out for sale and use unimpeded, making Mitsuko a very powerful figure right now. So, you have Filio's dilemma: he is limited in the people he can turn to, and the one person who did listen to him happens to be the strong-willed CEO of one of the big mech producers in the Earth Sphere. Filio can't risk pissing off the only source of Project TD's funding and resources by exploding into anger or frustration over her goading or comments about armaments. Thus, he has to act like a wuss and take Mitsuko's verbal abuse in order to get what he needs to get Project TD off the ground. All of that makes sense... but the same time he's the guy responsible for Barrelions so gently caress him.
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Aug 23, 2015 00:07
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Alacron posted:but the same time he's the guy responsible for Barrelions so gently caress him. I almost feel like this deserves an empty quote. BARRELIONS. 
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Aug 23, 2015 01:49
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Alacron posted:All of that makes sense... but the same time he's the guy responsible for Barrelions so gently caress him. So you're saying he's made the most reliable and enduring weapon design in the current era. Truly he's a genius. May Barrelions never die
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Aug 23, 2015 02:01
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Yeah, considering that the EFA is trying to switch out Lions after six months, creating something as reliable as the Barrelion deserves some high praise. SRW's tech curve is kind of hosed.
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Aug 23, 2015 02:02
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Alacron posted:All of that makes sense... but the same time he's the guy responsible for Barrelions so gently caress him.
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Aug 23, 2015 03:01
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Huh. Mass-produced manned space exploration vehicles? I suppose they wouldn't need the giant combat support infrastructure of a carrier.
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Glazius posted:Huh. Mass-produced manned space exploration vehicles? I suppose they wouldn't need the giant combat support infrastructure of a carrier. There's a separate exploration module to attach to the Calion supposedly, but for the prospect of making a mobile weapon that's unneccisary. Essentially they're going to make a Macross 7
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Mission 8 We picked up a Screw Module. We're not actually looking at water yet, but we will be soon enough, so I throw it on Bullet's Huckebein, since the Alt can handle itself underwater while the Weiss and Angelg can both fly.   Scene quote:Archibald observes the DCs' new leader, Colonel Van Vat Tran, as he welcomes new troops. Van would like to bring Elzam Branstein back into the fold, but Archibald is certain that the major will not join so long as he is serving. Following this, Van will be proceeding to the Earth Cradle for negotiations with some unspecified allies, while Archibald will draw the attention of the Federation's forces. Archibald has reservations about the Cradle, given that it's suddenly become active again after Sophia Nate sealed it.  Objectives. Kill everything, knock the Rhinoceros below 70% health within four turns for the mastery.   The time limit is worth keeping in mind, as we've got a nice barrier of mountains between us and them, except for a little path going through the middle. Archibald is in the Rhinoceros, while Carla and Yuuki are both piloting Guarlion Customs with a little over 16k health apiece. In addition we've got a couple Lions, a couple Landlions, a couple Barrels...   ...and a couple of new enemies. One is the Sorpresa fighter, which I guess isn't really new since Raul and Fiona had to fight a couple back in Mission 4. Trying to use Focus will probably still lead to a couple annoying misses, so you'll want to have Bullet or Lamia use Strike if possible.   They also have quite a bit of health, for fighters. Lamia and Excellen have weak post-movement attacks, so you're also looking at a couple hits to kill them.   Meanwhile, the Fylgia tank lacks the Sorpresa's maneuverability, but has quite a long range - long enough to outrange everybody except Excellen, actually, and the mountains ensure that not even Kyosuke (the only one with Accelerate) will be able to close the distance on the first turn.  By the time Turn 2 begins, we've barely made a dent in the enemy forces. We'll need to step things up a notch.  Discounting the bosses, the Barrelions have the most health, so weakening them is Kyosuke's priority.    Lee takes out a weakened Sorpresa, while Bullet clears out the other one in passing. Neither Lamia nor Excellen manage to kill anything on Turn 2, either; again, they're both pretty weak on the move. We're going to be heavily reliant on counterattacks this mission.   That works out all right. One Barrel, a Lion, both Landlions, and a Fylgia go down on the enemy phase, and almost everybody else gets heavily weakened. Most of the Fylgias pull through just fine thanks to the mountains they're parked on.  The bosses also get the chance to start shooting at us, from out of range. I figure it's safer to have the Alt block than dodge.  Yuuki: "Now, ATX team... show me what you can do." Kyosuke: "Look all you want. It won't help you."   That's not bad.  Carla goes for Lamia, and against my better judgement I have her fire back.   Carla: "What's with this one... it's sort of... robotic? Or something..." Lamia: (...She's not the one.)      The Angelg's After-Image keeps Lamia safe, though. Archibald doesn't do anything, because that would be helping you get the mastery.  Turn 3 rolls around. We have Fylgias to kill, but we also need to make sure we're giving sufficient time to the bosses. And get the secret.  Oh, did I mention the secret? Because there is one, with approximately eleventy-billion steps.   Bullet: "What did you mean when you said you already sacrificed?" Yuuki: "No need to tell you... all you need is to realize your own helplessness!"       Secret Mechs Step 1: Have Bullet fight Yuuki on Mission 8  Let's have Excellen back him up.   Excellen: "Hey there, handsome. Why don't you leave poor Bullet alone for a while and play with me instead?" Yuuki: (What's with this woman...!?)   That pushes Yuuki over his retreat threshold.   Yuuki: "I guess you live up to the rumors after all, ATX team..." Archibald: "Yuuki, the next phase will begin shortly." Yuuki: "Roger. I'm falling back to the target point."  We'll send Carla to follow him next. Rampage Ghost should chase her off in one hit. I need to shoot Carla down at some point in the game for another secret, but none of our people have Support Attack yet, so at this point it's more trouble than it's worth.   Carla: "Oh, crap... Is this the command unit!?" Kyosuke: "Judging by your movements, you're still green. But I'm not holding back for you..."   With support attacks taking her out would've been no problem, but not this time.   Carla: "Th-they're strong...!" Archibald: "Carla, we need to go to the target area. Start falling back now." Carla: "Y-yessir!" Secret Mechs Step 1: Have Bullet fight Yuuki on Mission 8 Step 2: Force Yuuki and Carla to retreat on Mission 8  At this point the Fylgias and one remaining Lion are easily disposed of.  Oh, Archie starts attacking us now too.   Archibald: "Hmhmm... we meet again, Lt. Nanbu." Kyosuke: "...!" Archibald: "I did warn you that we'd be seeing quite a bit of each other."       This puts him almost-but-not-quite at his retreat threshold. A hit from pretty much anybody should get us the mastery, and we have all of Turn 4 to do it.   Lamia: "Weaker resistance than expec-ected... is it you?" Archibald: "Hmhmm... we'll have to wait just a little longer."           It looks like it's time for whatever Archibald's planning; he orders the Rhinoceros' autopilot engaged, then launches with his men. At first Lee thinks it's a last-ditch attempt, but...   "All units, engage your boost drives. As for you... have a pleasant evening, gentlemen."  Kyosuke: "He's abandoned the ship?" Lee: "drat him! Pursue, now!" Lamia: "Wait, that's---"   The Rhinoceros is moving on its own, rushing the Shirogane on an apparent suicide course.   Lee orders a full barrage, destroying the enemy carrier just in time...   ...But thanks to the distraction, our actual foes have already fled. They are still on satellite, and Lee orders the team back to the ship; we have more hunting to do. Closing quote:Archibald meets with Dr. Cuervo Cero from the Earth Cradle. Archibald needles him a bit over the Cradle's questionable history with the DCs before they discuss what Cuervo has brought them - supplies, an ASRS, and two specially-trained pilots from the Cradle. 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Colonel Van's pretty cool. I always thought his name was vaguely Vietnamese, desptie his appearance.
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Colonal Van is quite possibly the worst judge of character in the entire series and that's saying something. Also I'm sad that no one on our side has the sense to remind Yuuki that the DC sure as gently caress wasn't charging the White Star oh and also our people beat them before the Aerogators even arrived. In a bunch of grunt mechs. But someone's got to stick up for Neo-Zeon, I suppose...too bad it makes one of the last Alpha protagonists look like a moron in the process.
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MarsDragon posted:Colonal Van is quite possibly the worst judge of character in the entire series and that's saying something. The Neo-DC are just a bunch of shits. Along with accusing the protagonists of being unable to save the earth (After not doing anything, AND disregarding the will of Bian himself) any claim of having the moral high ground goes out the window when you see who they choose to align themselves with, jerking off and justifying it the entire time. gently caress the Neo-DC. Not just for being a bunch of salty dicks about being failures, but for saying they champion a guys ideals while going against the spirit of what that guy wanted. And Yuuki is an absolute poo poo head.
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Yuuki's opinion doesn't stem from a place that's pants-on-head retarded though, it makes more sense if you see it from a more bitter soldier angle. Our heroes won the day in the end, but a lot of civilian areas got absolutely ruined in the process (because the Aerogators didn't want to potentially harm their harvesting crop for fighters so they left military bases mostly unscratched). The DC mobilised to deal with a threat when the Federation wouldn't and were instead looking to surrender, lost mostly because their command structure got decapitated (not everyone was privy to Bian's really loving stupid idea) and then the Federation had a series of bungles that cost a lot of civilian lives before they won in an absolute last-ditch attack. He like many in the DC probably feels that if Bian and his Divine Crusaders had been allowed to lead Earth's defense there wouldn't have been so much gone wrong before the end. It's hubris, but it's not like he can't point to a lot of times when the Federation did not protect Earth's civilian population when the Aerogators finally stepped up their game.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:Yuuki's opinion doesn't stem from a place that's pants-on-head retarded though, it makes more sense if you see it from a more bitter soldier angle. Our heroes won the day in the end, but a lot of civilian areas got absolutely ruined in the process (because the Aerogators didn't want to potentially harm their harvesting crop for fighters so they left military bases mostly unscratched). The DC mobilised to deal with a threat when the Federation wouldn't and were instead looking to surrender, lost mostly because their command structure got decapitated (not everyone was privy to Bian's really loving stupid idea) and then the Federation had a series of bungles that cost a lot of civilian lives before they won in an absolute last-ditch attack. And that's all very well good to say, except the DC didn't participate in the attack on the White Star, in fact, they didn't try to fight the Aerogaters at all! The line of logic cracks either way "You can't do it, you just got lucky" "Well we beat you, so you'd have to get double-lucky" "We are better suited to defend the earth from aliens" "You mean that thing you didn't do at all? Even when the aliens showed up?" It may be Yuuki being a bitter bitch over not getting a chance to play space-hero and thinking "I could have done better" but nobody ever calls him out on simply being bitter.
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Onmi posted:And that's all very well good to say, except the DC didn't participate in the attack on the White Star, in fact, they didn't try to fight the Aerogaters at all! The line of logic cracks either way "You can't do it, you just got lucky" "Well we beat you, so you'd have to get double-lucky" "We are better suited to defend the earth from aliens" "You mean that thing you didn't do at all? Even when the aliens showed up?" It may be Yuuki being a bitter bitch over not getting a chance to play space-hero and thinking "I could have done better" but nobody ever calls him out on simply being bitter. Honestly "That's all very good to say" cuts both ways. Yeah sure you won, after your higher ups nearly sold out the Earth twice and also failed to protect vast swathes of the civilian population, not to mention at least one attack on a civilian population working extremely well because one of the leaders of your expensive gaudy giant robot programs betrayed everyone. Then when that settles down of course the first thing you do is install a winner like Kenneth in charge of North America yes I have 100% faith in how this is going to progress. Plus this whole "They didn't do anything" claim works on the assumption that Yuuki was sitting on his rear end with his thumb firmly wedged up in it during all that was going on. Which is not true. His very history with Carla acts to invalidate that. I like to see the good guys get props as much as anyone else but even right now Captain Lee is pointing out how there's a big rot setting in within the Federation with guys like Kenneth getting to run things in the military where they trade favours in and endless attempt to save face and raise personal standing. Yuuki's stance does not come from a cold hard retarded vacuum. We know we can root for the good guys and that they'll get all the necessary stat-ups etc to win the video game, but Yuuki's got plenty of foundation to build his (misguided) ideas upon.
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Yeah but he's kind of working under Archibald Grims, which invalidates literally everything he has to say about the Federation being rotten. Yuuki's got a point about the Federation being corrupt, because fundamentally SRW is very tied to the Gundam setting, but the DC is just as bad if not worse. See: Adler and Seibel. Yeah, Bian and Maier were okay...besides that completely stupid plan they had that they just kind of didn't feel like telling anyone but Elzam and Sanger about. Everyone else in OG1 was pretty much out-and-out evil. And add to that the player doesn't really see any civilians getting hurt because the game engine doesn't support it, and it's hard to take Yuuki seriously. "Okay, so Kenneth is corrupt...but you're rallying behind the organization that had a guy who literally brainwashed children into becoming child soldiers as the second-in-command and right now you're working under a guy who drinks tea because it reminds him of blood." The DC just doesn't show, at any point, that it would be better suited to defend the Earth. It's mostly demonstrated the opposite. Meanwhile the Federation stumbled a lot...but they won.
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Actually, that's a question; does the world at large know the basics of Grims' background? I always kinda assumed it did, but that doesn't gel with mostly upstanding people willingly working with him. (Obviously his actual background hasn't been revealed to the player yet so we don't want to talk about it, but I don't remember it being some big shocking reveal in-context when they do.)
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Aug 26, 2015 07:01
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I'm really glad I'm not the only one who enjoys making GBS threads all over Yuuki. 
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I know that there are quite a few people that like Archibald, but I absolutly loath the fucker. He hits all the notes for the worst kind of villian: He is so over-the-top evil that it goes right over "enjoyable" back to "horrible" Everyone does what he says even if he admits to enjoy watching them die. And he always, ALWAYS pulls a loving retreat plan out of his rear end that works for some reason. Basicly he is the Joker without anything that makes the Joker fun.
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