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Seyser Koze posted:
 While it's possible that the implication is that Mr. BLOODBLOODBLOOD is unaligned in the Axel/Lemon/Lamia universe, this is open-ended enough that it could also suggest that somehow, he was on Beowulf/Alternate Kyosuke's side there. The thought of that is frankly terrifying.
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And here is the person I was waiting for before talking about this. Ouka Nagisa. Agilla referred to her as "Aurum 1". Aurum is latin for Gold. We've seen Seolla and Arado been referred to as Bronzo 27 and Bronzo 28. Bronzo is italian for Bronze. Cero and Agilla also called Lat for Latun 11. Latun is russian for Brass. The classes of the School follows metals, not alphabetical. Though Silver is missing. Argent Class makes an appearance in 2nd OG. French for Silver.
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KataraniSword posted:
Or he's just aligned with the federation which is easy enough to see.
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Or he's freelance. It's open enough Banpresto could do whatever they wanted if it ever comes up again.
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So what reaction, if any, do the characters in Advance have to the Gespenst Mk.IIs appearing?
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Wounded Land posted:So what reaction, if any, do the characters in Advance have to the Gespenst Mk.IIs appearing? It's both more and less grounded, because they were deployed by Killer the Butcher. The initial reaction is "What the hell, why are Gaizock deploying Earth Federation Personal Troopers?!" but after the battle, the discussion goes to "Gespensts were supposed to developed as part of the Dragonar-series, and only 3 of those were ever made. None of this adds up." No suppositions about the units being from the future, though, as I recall. edit: No, wait. It was that, since Dragonar was canon in Advance, Dragoons were the mass-produced EFSF unit and only 3 prototype Gespensts were literally made ever. Omoikane (the Nadesico's computer) loses its mind for a minute because it's both reporting units that never existed as existent and having to reconcile the Argama switching from a Federation-controlled unit to an ally (because the Nadesico is a privately owned entity and the Earth military declared war against Nergal iirc). Same "these shouldn't exist" as applied to the R-Eins apply to the Gespensts, basically. Broken Loose fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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As if the game not giving you an indication that the player got this stage's secret requirement fulfilled wasn't enough of a dick move, the GBA version had one more sucker punch: everyone except Ouka retreats after Echidna is shot down. If you took care of the bosses in the same order Seyser did here (Ouka first, then Echidna) and you didn't slap Hit & Away on Lamia or beat Echidna with someone else, congrats, you just royally hosed yourself over big time and are not getting the secret at all. OGs cuts you some slack and keeps the grunts behind, even if Echidna is shot down or retreats, so yeah, that's a big change for the secret chain.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:09
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Great, now it won't feel like I really earned my cape after all. 
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Nov 18, 2015 06:55
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Seyser Koze posted:Great, now it won't feel like I really earned my cape after all.
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I just beat Echidna first when I played.
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Mission 17, Moon Route On second thought, I'm not a fan of hot climates. The moon it is!   Excellen: "Well, Ryusei, shall we?" Ryusei: "Yeah, let's get going."   We distribute a few items to our new lineup. Katina gets a Booster and Thruster module, since her Gespenst desperately needs the help. Intro quote:Archibald arrives at the Earth Cradle. Carla and Yuuki have a look around while he goes to meet with Van and Vindel.  Objectives. Clear everybody out, in three turns for the mastery. Losing Excellen is a game-over.  And here's the Spacehenge map. The individual rocks give a 20% evade/defense bonus if you park on them. Don't ask me how you use a rock that size for cover. We're up against a dozen Einst Glied units.   Off we go.       Hit already. That's not a promising start. Maybe Leona will have more luck.  Ugh. The problem with fighting the Einst is that they all have status weapons to fall back on if they can't hit with their main attacks. Leona's using Focus and they're still pulling almost a 50-50 hitrate.   , again. As a bonus, they've torpedoed her movement range for the next turn.   At least Excellen's mobility upgrades will carry her through.   It's hard to see, but there's a little mini-debris field in front of our starting position. Katina, Russell, and the Hiryu barely get to move at all because of it. Leona and Tasuku can Accelerate through it, while Excellen and Ryusei had enough movement just to power through.  On the enemy phase, Excellen softens up everybody near here, making easy pickings for the rest of the crew. A couple at the bottom are out of reach, while Leona...      On Turn 2 we start snapping up the easy kills for people who need the help.    Leona's making good use of her Guarlion's Sonic Breaker, but that's taking a toll on her energy reserves.     Rushing to Leona's defense on an attack, Tasuku gets webbed too.  At the beginning of the third turn, only a couple of Glied (Glieden?) remain.     They don't last long.     The unknowns have been wiped out. There was no reply to the Hiryu's attempt at communication - and indeed, no indication that it was even received. Sean suspects that these enemies had no pilots to contact in the first place. The data they've collected seems to match with the Hagane's report; it would've been preferable to capture a specimen, but it seems unlikely that one could be safely contained.   Katina: "Well, in any case, those weed-things are dead now." Tasku: "Hmm... I'm not so sure it's over."   Katina: "Don't you know when to keep your mouth shut?" Tasuku: "Hey hey, my predictions are firmly grounded on data and past experience!"    Tasuku: "See! Just like I said!" Katina: "Why the hell do you sound so happy, moron!?"   No mysterious voices from this wave, and Excellen wonders why that would be. Sean muses that we're treading on forbidden ground here - which means that if we press on, we may get some answers. Lefina orders Octo Squadron to continue with the interception.  So now we have a dozen Einst Knochen to take down, with a few twin units among them.    Their status weapons can actually get a nonzero hitrate against Excellen, which promises good things for everybody else.    Ryusei dishes out some proper R-Blade shredding.  Russell dodges so poorly that the Einst don't even bother using their status weapons.   That works out just fine for me, since Guard will take care of their damage.   Up here, Leona's got a problem.    , take three. That was the Einst Knochen's Gewinnenergie attack, which is basically a fancy energy drainer. She is now completely out of EN. As a reminder, you need EN even to move in space or while flying which I suppose means her Guarlion would be screwed either way. Tasuku doesn't take kindly to skeleton-creatures beating up his maybe-girlfriend.   On the next enemy phase we're back in the swing of things, for the most part. Ryusei and Excellen clean house.  And Tasuku keeps Leona safe while she clears out some more with her railgun.  Next turn, Leona uses her five energy to dock inside the Hiryu and recharge.     We lay into the Knochen that remain.  And then I wait a couple turns, giving Leona a little time to recharge her energy, before finishing off the last. I also surreptitiously get everybody arranged in a nice support blob.   Another wave is destroyed, but then Excellen reacts again, and this time Ryusei, Leona, and Tasuku can feel it too.           This one isn't like the others - not just the outside appearance, but what's inside as well, as Ryusei and Leona report.   Excellen: "Wh... what's happening...!" ???: "You..." Excellen: "!!" ???: "You are..."   Excellen: "Who are you!? Answer me!" Alfimi: "I am Alfimi. Einst Alfimi..." Excellen: "Einst... Alfimi?"   Ryusei: "What the hell is an Einst!?" Excellen: "Ryusei! You heard that!?" Ryusei: "Of course I heard it, it's coming over the comm channels!" Excellen: "Huh? She's... speaking normally?"   Russell: "That was a woman's voice. There's a human in that one?" Alfimi: "....." Katina: "Worry about it some other time! Here she comes!" And so we have our first real endgame-tier boss: Alfimi, in the Persoenlichkeit. Atlus shortened the name just to "Lichkeit," I'm assuming due to space reasons, and I'll end up doing the same because typing out the full name involves too much  .   The Lichkeit has 135000 health, After-Image, and regenerates 10% of its health each turn. Meanwhile, Alfimi has a boss loadout: Guard and Predict, which gave us so much fun last time, as well as level 4 Prevail, Morale Limit Break (so her morale goes up to 170 instead of 150), and Foresight, which gives her a whopping 30% hit/dodge bonus on her turn once she hits 130 morale. Thankfully she starts at neutral, so this isn't as bad as it looks.   She only goes after Excellen on her turns, and Excellen's dodge chance is decent - her hit chance, not so much.   Excellen: "Answer me! Who are you?" Alfimi: "The hour approaches..." Excellen: "Do you understand what I'm saying? Your voice... sounds like you're a girl."   Alfimi: "Girl? No... I am... you." Excellen: "!?" Alfimi: "You must be made... complete... then I can..."   Excellen: "OK, hold it! Time out! Can't you just give me a straight answer? One I can understand?" Alfimi: "....." Excellen: (What is this... I feel like I've met her before. Who is this girl...?)  "I can see..."    "Your fate..."  We spend the next turn getting into position, and then Alfimi tries again.    Excellen dodges, and then... "The 'D' stands for 'Dazzling!'"  Actually it's "It's W mode, just like 'waribashi!'" Waribashi (割り箸) being those splittable wooden chopsticks they give you in restaurants.  "I don't like... noisy people..."  Katina dishes out a Valored Jet Magnum...  "Women always repay favors. Al... ways...?" This sounds... familiar.      Ow.   Russell is helping.   At this point we just want to keep the support chain going as long as possible.   Alfimi: "We... did not grant you..." Leona: "...! What are you---"   Leona and Excellen.    Excellen again.   Alfimi: "This power... another anomaly." Ryusei: "...!? What are you talking about?"      Ryusei and Lefina. "This power... breaks the stillness..."    Lefina again. I took the liberty of upgrading the Hiryu for absolutely no reason related to an upcoming mission, so it has health to spare.   Tasuku: "Heh heh! My pretty-girl sense is tingling!" Alfimi: "You're wrong... the roots are..." Tasuku: "Huh? You're... not pretty?"   "You're so bold..."     Unfortunately we run out of people and she regens 13500 health on the enemy phase. Back to work.  Of note is that Alfimi's attacks are completely nullified by the Gan-Duro's armor and gravity field.  We slam her a couple more times and push her below 50% (although you have to be careful who you use, since at this point she can take out Katina or Leona in one hit). It's not too hard to do if you saved your SP during the first segment (some of your people will want Strike just to hit her reliably), but if you're all tapped out you can just wait a few turns and she'll leave on her own.   Alfimi: (Kyo... suke...) Excellen:    Alfimi: (I will... go see him...) Excellen: "Wh-what do you want with Kyosuke!?" Alfimi: (I want nothing... he is my reason for...) Excellen: "...! Wait!"    The Persoenlichkeit withdraws, at such high speed that there's no chance of pursuit. No sign on the scanners of more unknowns, and the abnormal gravitational signature is gone as well. The strange mech's pilot called herself "Einst" Alfimi; perhaps we now have a name to put to our unknown enemies.   Excellen: "....." Leona: "Lieutenant, are you all right?" Excellen: "Huh? Y-yeah, I'm fine..."  Excellen: (That girl said "Kyosuke." I didn't imagine it. But why? What could she want with him?) Closing quote:Analysis turns up nothing unusual about the floating stones, and the circle dispersed once all the Einst had left the area. The group speculates about the strange enemy pilot they encountered; Ryusei and Leona both say they felt something, like a will or a presence, before she arrived. Still, there's no explanation of how Excellen was able to sense their arrival, or of the voice she heard when the battle first began. -----   Fiona: "Looks like that's it for today. Raul, take care of the Excellence for me, would you?" Raul: "Wait a second. What about you?"   Fiona: "I'm all sweaty. I'm taking a shower." Raul: "What the hell? You could help out, then!"   Fiona: "I'm counting on you, big brother!" Raul: "Hey, get back here! Why do you call me that whenever you want something!?"
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Nov 22, 2015 01:52
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Test of true mecha piloting: Beat a little girl at it.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Test of true mecha piloting: Beat a little girl at it. Counterpoint: a little girl piloting a super evil Oni bot (we didn't even see her strongest attack...that one's scary as hell) assisted by zombies and killer plants. Besides, Alfimi is - standard to anime tropes - strong as hell so, yes, this is a test of skill because she'll wreck you if you go in willy-nilly!
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Brunom1 posted:(we didn't even see her strongest attack...that one's scary as hell) Yeah, 130 morale is basically the Lichkeit's on/off switch, since Foresight, Predict, Guard, and After-Image will all kick in at once, and she gets access to her best attack. So I guess I should be glad I chased her off immediately before that point.
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Nov 22, 2015 02:23
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Something not really conveyed in the screenshots is Alfimi's unique speech patterns. It's not that she's doing the usual "JRPG cryptic ellipses of foreshadowing", no, she's just talks slower than everyone.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:03
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And this point in OG2 is where it really starts to hammer home the point, "Didn't get used to upgrading Mobility and Armor, and learning SP Regenerate as quickly as possible in the first game? *evil laugh* Bend over, you're about to learn a new and painful lesson."
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Nov 22, 2015 20:43
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You really don't need SP Regen in OG1. That's an OG2/OGG thing. (and technically, you don't NEED SP Regen in OG2...it just really helps on a couple stages) Armor also isn't as useful as it should be until 2ndOG. You're better off pumping mobility as high as it will go. SRW really isn't a hard series of games.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:31
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Slower as in the actual audio was slowed down, or pauses between words, or what? Also, if that best attack is the one I'm thinking of the one from the Impact PV, please post a video of it ASAP.
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Nov 23, 2015 00:20
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Wounded Land posted:Slower as in the actual audio was slowed down, or pauses between words, or what? "Hello...my name is...Alfimi. I am...here to...observe...your efforts. And...give you...horrible...nightmares...of Tobikage."
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AradoBalanga posted:The latter. This is an example of how she talks (note: not actual in-game dialogue): I'm reading that more like she's trying to use Wlliam Shatner pausing and totally overdoing it.
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So: 1. Alfimi is a clone(?) of Excellen that looks nothing like her, but has a loose approximation of her personality. 2. Excellen's body is made up of some shockingly high percentage of Plot; enough to make people wonder if she's actually human. 3. Both Excellen *and* Alfimi love Kyosuke, so Alfimi must also have some of Excellen's memories from around the time *after* that crash she was involved in. 4. So drat many people from alternate(?) universes are running around that I don't even  5. All this is happening while Latooni is trying to get her friends back from the DC, who are involved with the dimensional shenanigans without even knowing it. 6. The Feds have a traitor. Again. 7. The White Star opened up to reveal something shocking to Aya, her father, AND Viletta, which surely means we won't be getting a new character related to the White Star from the previous game. 8. Even the people from the Alternate universe were mildly surprised the DC were dumb enough to hire a serial killer; usually, the Feds are the ones who do all the dumb hiring. 9. Wait, who were those brown-haired twins again? 10. All the things that seem too minor to mention, but probably have some meaning to people who have played these games before. I look forward to keeping track of this hot mess! And failing.
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9. The brunette twins are time travelers that just happened to stop by for a couple minutes on their way to another game in this series. They will never be mentioned for the rest of OG2.
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Broken Loose posted:9. The brunette twins are time travelers that just happened to stop by for a couple minutes on their way to another game in this series. They will never be mentioned for the rest of OG2. You are incorrect.
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Alfimi's theme is probably one of my favorites. And if The Inspector is canon, she controls her horrifying lich robot...with pianos! Also of note: if I'm not mistaken, she wasn't in the original Compact 2 trilogy, just added into Impact. You may have noticed the Einst aren't exactly the most charismatic and talkative of enemies which is a problem when your series is far and away marketed on characters. Gyra_Solune fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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thetruegentleman posted:10. All the things that seem too minor to mention, but probably have some meaning to people who have played these games before. 10.5: In the background, Gunbuster is happening, except it's being funded by the company suspected of being one of the main backers of the DC as a way to
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Gyra_Solune posted:Alfimi's theme is probably one of my favorites. And if The Inspector is canon, she controls her horrifying lich robot...with pianos! Glad they gave the Einst a voice then with Alfimi.
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thetruegentleman posted:So: 7 is explictly the White death cross (judecca)... that meteor 3 was reviving, (including explicitly the pilot.) so we are indeed supposed to know exactly who it is.
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Gyra_Solune posted:Alfimi's theme is probably one of my favorites. And if The Inspector is canon, she controls her horrifying lich robot...with pianos! No, Alfimi was in Compact 2. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Nov 23, 2015 20:42
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ImpAtom posted:No, Alfimi was in Compact 2. Uh....you sure about that, dude? I'm gonna need to see a screenshot.
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ImpAtom posted:You are incorrect. Fiona and Raoul are also not brunette. At least one if not both of those have a shade of red as their hair, or I'm damned color-blind.
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MarsDragon posted:Uh....you sure about that, dude? I'm gonna need to see a screenshot. I'm pretty sure though I'd have to actually dig one up myself. I recall a friend complaining about her at least. I fully admit I could be wrong since it's been a very long time since i played it. SorataYuy posted:Fiona and Raoul are also not brunette. At least one if not both of those have a shade of red as their hair, or I'm damned color-blind. Their hair is totally red but I've heard people call anime characters with that hair color brunette before.
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KataraniSword posted:10.5: In the background, Gunbuster is happening, except it's being funded by the company suspected of being one of the main backers of the DC as a way to If only the end result was anywhere near as great as Gunbuster itself.
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Gyra_Solune posted:Alfimi's theme is probably one of my favorites. And if The Inspector is canon, she controls her horrifying lich robot...with pianos! 
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ImpAtom posted:Their hair is totally red but I've heard people call anime characters with that hair color brunette before. O.o Those are some very, very confused people you've met in your life.
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I...don't think we know how/if Alfimi and Excellen are related yet. I mean they share the same voice actress, but that doesn't have to mean much does it...
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Ashram posted:I...don't think we know how/if Alfimi and Excellen are related yet. I mean they share the same voice actress, but that doesn't have to mean much does it... Seyser Koze posted:
I mean, that's pretty clear. Even moreso when she uses Excellen's lines and clearly has something for Kyosuke too. We don't know how or why she exists, but how she's related to Excellen came from her very own mouth.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I mean, that's pretty clear. Even moreso when she uses Excellen's lines and clearly has something for Kyosuke too. We don't know how or why she exists, but how she's related to Excellen came from her very own mouth. Yeah, ok I see your point. I just dismissed this as a mysterious person being mysterious I think.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm pretty sure though I'd have to actually dig one up myself. I recall a friend complaining about her at least. I fully admit I could be wrong since it's been a very long time since i played it. Everything I've ever heard says that Alfimi was added in Impact, so I'd be interested in seeing some proof she's in Compact 2. Is it possible your friend was actually complaining about Impact?
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I was going to settle this by going to the Japanese wiki, but it's mysteriously down... 
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Carlos Mori did guides to the first two games and there's no sign of her. Dunno about the third, but I doubt it.
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