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Tubofun posted:I actually think this MC 202 is different than the "Folgore" from WT. For one it only has the two MGs instead of the four, but I think they are still .50 calibre so they should be pretty useful still maybe? Besides the other guns on the Folgore are just .30 cals, so it's not like we are really losing much. This 202 is the Serie VII, the one in War Thunder is a Serie IX. Luckily the Serie VII should be the one that redesigned the wing to add in the .30cals. So either Jobbo is mistaken, my info is mistaken, or Il-2 is mistaken That said, if we skip the MC.205 later because we already did the 202, I'll hate all of you. 
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Triple A posted:MC 202, because that thing owns in War Thunder's realistic battles. Tubofun posted:I actually think this MC 202 is different than the "Folgore" from WT. For one it only has the two MGs instead of the four, but I think they are still .50 calibre so they should be pretty useful still maybe? Besides the other guns on the Folgore are just .30 cals, so it's not like we are really losing much. Galaga Galaxian posted:This 202 is the Serie VII, the one in War Thunder is a Serie IX. Luckily the Serie VII should be the one that redesigned the wing to add in the .30cals. So either Jobbo is mistaken, my info is mistaken, or Il-2 is mistaken Il-2 1946 features 3 different MC.202 Folgores: Series III, VII and XII. The series III still retains the 2 cowling machine guns and has no wing guns, my books and  reasearch tell me that this was because the first 202's were built with Saetta parts (And interestingly enough, vice versa; late Saetta's using MC.202 parts/wings) which helps to explain that anomaly. Soon after though, the series VII was built which had provisions for 2 wing machine guns in rifle caliber (7.7 BREDA-SAFAT) and led to the development of the later XII series which was built in small numbers. The XII series wings carried MG 151's instead of the 7.7 MGs and was the forerunner to the Macchi MC.205 Veltro.  The MC.205 shared parts with the MC.202 and the MC.200. And War Thunder uses the series VII in its game but refers to the development of the wing-mounted MGs as the series VI wings, for some reason. I'll have some writeups for the Italian fighters sometime this week. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 17:45
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Oh, War Thunder's 202 is a Series VII? I totally admit I said series IX based on the plane's skin, which is a dumb idea, of course.  
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Oh, War Thunder's 202 is a Series VII? I totally admit I said series IX based on the plane's skin, which is a dumb idea, of course. Oh I could be wrong as to the series of the plane. If the skin says series IX then I would assume its that, but I haven't found any documentation on versions aside from I, III, VII, XI and XII so it could just be something I haven't personally heard of. Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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Sep 1, 2014 18:38
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I also wanted to ask jobbo, what are the differences between having your pilot knocked out from injuries compared to passing out due to G force?
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Oh I could be wrong as to the series of the plane. If the skin says series IX then I would assume its that, but I haven't found any documentation on versions aside from I, III, VII, XI and XII so it could just be something I haven't personally heard of. No real way to tell. WT doesn't directly say what series their 202 is, and the skin could simply be a case of them recreating reference photos of some random 202, without caring if its the same as the actual model they've got.
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Tubofun posted:I also wanted to ask jobbo, what are the differences between having your pilot knocked out from injuries compared to passing out due to G force? It's very tough to get knocked out from injuries because you usually die rather than suffer an injury. If you do happen to receive a serious injury to start to red out like when experiencing negative G's and eventually pass out due to blood loss. I don't think you can die by bleeding out, but depending on where you're injured (Yes the game tracks this, its amazing) you might lose the ability to use your legs or arms to control the plane, or at least have it be exceedingly hard so its just safer to bail out. Passing out from G-forces is a dangerous thing since you'll usually be at a angle and I don't believe there's a specific timer to recover from passing out, and it wouldn't be too hard to crash into something at low altitude. Galaga Galaxian posted:No real way to tell. WT doesn't directly say what series their 202 is, and the skin could simply be a case of them recreating reference photos of some random 202, without caring if its the same as the actual model they've got. I sorta figured as much, which is a shame because there's a lot of history they could cover but seem to choose not to.
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I'll vote for the MC.202 too.
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The MC.202 is definitely the sexiest plane in that collection, so that's got my vote. Also, if you're still accepting pilot applications, I'd like to volunteer Tommy Sparrow. It's the name I always choose for RAF playthroughs in flight sims. I figured the sparrow was probably the least threatening bird I could think of.  Portrait:  I'd prefer to fly RAF fighters. Preferably something comically bad, like the Gladiator.
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Endman posted:Also, if you're still accepting pilot applications Definitely am, and I'll have you in the game in the mission after the next one.
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KIA?! Arglebargle IV, Older, Greater Bulgarian fighter pilot reporting for duty! 
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Tobruk to Sicily Mission 09 Siege of Tobruk: 25 April 1941 "The Germans are serious about taking the entirety of North Africa. They've dedicated quite a few planes to our attacks against the port shipping at Mersa Matruh, and some of the pilots are jealous of their aircraft. I think it has to do with the cannons, as some of us are quite frustrated at the lack of punch we dish out when compared to other fighters." -Lorenzo Moretti We've got an escort mission to Mersa Matruh, and the game for some reason puts a "Bombing mission" icon at the target destination. No matter, we're showing up in force with plenty of Re.2000's and extra flights of Bf-109E-7's.   Mission Video Arglebarlge was racking up the kills this mission   Auditore also gets one himself  We managed to hit a few ground targets, but it was time to head back to base before we could inflict more damage on Allied supply columns  Who will be the first SA ace?! Results Arglebargle III: Air Kills 2xHurricane MkIb Alberto Auditore: Air Kill 1xHurricane MkIb, Ground Kill 1xStudebecker truck Heavy Buffalo: Bailed Out Yvon Mukluk: Bailed Out Tub O'Fun: Bailed Out Jek Porkins: Bailed Out Jake Preston: Bailed Out Adrian Owlsley: Bailed Out Ben Pomson: WIA/KIA
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Aw yeah, I'm Sir Not Appearing In This Film.  Is this because I was captured?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Aw yeah, I'm Sir Not Appearing In This Film. Anyone who doesn't appear in a video is due to two things: 1. You didn't do anything noteable 2. Plane numbers restrict who I could and couldn't put in Generally speaking, it's the former rather than the latter. I figure it's best to show off the action rather than bore you all with 40 min videos that go through everything  Edit: Also, this last mission featured a lot of Allied pilots getting shot down, but not suffering injuries or dying. Axis planes that scored kills were almost exclusively Bf-109's aside from what was shown in the video.
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drat those Germans! And naw, its cool. I suspect I'm gonna be the punching bag at this rate though.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:drat those Germans! By my count, Auditore's been the unluckiest pilot so far. Either he's had kills stolen, crashed into other aircraft or failed to return home. Owlsley's the most crash-happy pilot. Judging by how the AI has been acting since I started out this LP, it could honestly go in any direction so there's no reason not to be hopeful and shoot for the American stars.
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kinda sad I haven't gotten any more kills. although I haven't been shot down again, either, so I guess it's all good.
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In the Spotlight Breda Ba.65(bis)  One of the many lesser known aircraft of World War 2 was the Italian Breda Ba.65. Although, to be fair to other aircraft, the Ba.65 deserves its status of being forgotten by most people. It was originally a single-seat ground attack / light bomber aircraft but after inadequate performance in combat situations was discovered, the Italians were desperate to replace it with something better. As one can imagine, this never happened, and the crews of the Ba.65 were forced to march on with a lackluster and difficult plane to fly. In some ways, it was like the Fairey Battle of the RAF. It wasn't quite as large and had slightly better characteristics because of that, but in combat it was never able to adequately defend itself or others. As such, it required missions with either heavy fighter support or where no enemy was envisioned to be. It featured a closed cockpit, which was kept open by their pilots (A habit that wasn't overcome until later in the war), offensive armament of 4 machine guns split evenly between 7.7mm and 12.7mm and finally, a bombload of up to 1,000kg! As far as I know, there's very little documentation of the Ba.65. Which technically it isn't to begin with, as it should be called the Breda Ba.65bis. The bis version carried a second crew member who manned the rear gun, and even fewer of those carried the hydraulically operated turret which is the aircraft we see in this game. Information on the Breda Ba.65bis General Characteristics Crew: 2 Length: 9.6m Wingspan: 9.96m Height: 3.2m Powerplant: 1 x Fiat A.80 RC.41 18-cylinder radial engine rated at 1000hp Loaded Weight: 3,500kg Performance: Maximum Speed: 410km/h Range: 550km Ceiling: 7700m Armament: Guns: 2 x Forward Firing 7.7mm machine guns 2 x Forward Firing 12.7mm machine guns 1 x 12.7mm machine guns in dorsal turret Bombload of up to 1000kg
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chktshadeclaw posted:kinda sad I haven't gotten any more kills. although I haven't been shot down again, either, so I guess it's all good. To be fair, you're all controlled by the ever so mysterious AI so it's to be expected that you're not all aces. And besides, being the best worst pilot could net you something at the end of this campaign 
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So why did they keep the cockpit open? Just couldn't see with it closed or? Also, another mission without bombers, or we're just keeping quiet? (I should check the spreadsheet, but, lazy!)
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Veloxyll posted:So why did they keep the cockpit open? Just couldn't see with it closed or? They preferred it that way. The Italian fighter pilot mentality had a lot of ground to catch up on after they joined the war on the Axis side. Biplanes were no longer the dominant fighter, speed was much more important than maneuverability and the need for effective munitions was desperately needed even during the Spanish Civil War**. Pilots were brought up on the CR.32/42 and military trainers that all had open cockpits. An open cockpit gives you a much better view of your surroundings, but the downsides of not having any protection from armoured glass, the weather or the wind are far greater. Hell, of wikipedia's list of Italian military trainers between 1930 to 1939 the only planes that don't have an open cockpit are the Nardi built aircraft and the SAIMAN 202. Edit: They even had trainers built during the 40's that kept the open cockpit. **: This is also true for the Japanese, except that they were slightly further ahead of the curve than the Italians. Also, replace Spanish Civil War with Second Sino-Japanese War. Veloxyll posted:Also, another mission without bombers, or we're just keeping quiet? (I should check the spreadsheet, but, lazy!) Ba.65's are bombers, just light ones. I put you, and others, in them to keep you guys as bombers. None of you sank any ships and I didn't see any Ba.65's attacking any ground targets 
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Sep 3, 2014 23:32
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Ahh, makes sense. You'd think the BF109 pilots could've told them that closing the cockpits makes them better at planes
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Veloxyll posted:Ahh, makes sense. You'd think the BF109 pilots could've told them that closing the cockpits makes them better at planes Well, to be fair the Bf-109's cockpit framing isn't the greatest and didn't get "fixed" for a long time.
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Yeah Bf-109s are not a great plane to talk about "good" cockpits for. They had everything the needed (by German standards anyways), but they were incredibly cramped thanks to the 109's relatively small size. You'd be surprised how small 109s are compared to many other fighters. [edit] Here is an image comparing the P-47 Thunderbolt (a huge single-engine fighter by WW2 standards) to various other popular fighters, including the 109. You can see how small the 109 is compared to the others too (to say nothing of the P-47). 
Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Sep 4, 2014 00:06
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Wow, I had no idea the P-47 was so massive.
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Endman posted:Wow, I had no idea the P-47 was so massive. There's a reason its called the Flying Jug(gernaut) Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Welp. Here's hoping clone-me has better luck next time! (gently caress Hurricanes.  )
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Bloody Pom posted:Welp. Here's hoping clone-me has better luck next time! (gently caress Hurricanes. At least I didn't die this time! God I hope 'failing to sink a ship' isn't the highlight of HEAVY BUFFALO's career.
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Bloody Pom posted:Welp. Here's hoping clone-me has better luck next time! (gently caress Hurricanes. Let's just hope we get spitfires sooner rather then later.
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Why would you want Spit Mk Is when you could have P-40s. 
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Why would you want Spit Mk Is when you could have P-40s. I love the Warhawk, it's so bad  And the P-38, the P-47, the Ta-152, the Yak-3... gently caress it, I love them all
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I love the Warhawk, it's so bad The P-40s are the best worst plane. When I first picked up Il-2 1946 I tried to learn to fly in the P-40E because I loved the hell out of the way it looked. While I do think it made be a better pilot overall, I do not recommend this method to anyone who isn't a masochist. So many flat spins...
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Tubofun posted:So many flat spins... You must be thinking of the P-39, the Warhawk was a pretty stable plane to fly last I checked. The P-39 on the other hand loves to spin if you push it, and requires about 3 times the height of a normal aircraft to pull out of it. Edit: I could be wrong. Just means I have to go test it against some AI
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It could also just be that I was an incompetent pilot at the beginning because I really can tear up other planes with it now that I actually know how to fly it. And I have never actually flown any of the 37mm or above cannon planes just because I feel I would not be able to utilize the dang things very well. Are they very effective in 1946?
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Tubofun posted:It could also just be that I was an incompetent pilot at the beginning because I really can tear up other planes with it now that I actually know how to fly it. And I have never actually flown any of the 37mm or above cannon planes just because I feel I would not be able to utilize the dang things very well. Are they very effective in 1946? If you can hit, the 37mm will shred most planes with a few shots. I'm not entirely sure what rounds they use (Be it AP, HE, etc) and, jams being relatively unheard of, helps to use them. The Yak fighters armed with large cannons are funny as hell because shooting it more than once quickly kills the accuracy and slows you down immensely. Gunnery for the 37mm and up (Most cannons, really) gets tricky because leading your target becomes harder to do and in the case of certain planes, ammo counts are as low as your beginner's chance to hit. Once you get the hang of it and your opponent shows a nice juicy wing, however, you need to take the shot and then its just the pleasant view of them crashing that awaits you.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:If you can hit, the 37mm will shred most planes with a few shots. I'm not entirely sure what rounds they use (Be it AP, HE, etc) and, jams being relatively unheard of, helps to use them. The Yak fighters armed with large cannons are funny as hell because shooting it more than once quickly kills the accuracy and slows you down immensely. 15 rounds should be enough for anyone, surely!
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Veloxyll posted:15 rounds should be enough for anyone, surely! When learning this game, 15 is nothing. Once you've learned enough though... well, I could just make a wall-sized post of and 
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The open cockpits would be a bit better in this game but unfortunately they don't seem to let you lean quite as far out as they should. Same with the larger cockpits like the p47 and spitfire. In rise of flight and the new il2 you can lean really far out of an open cockpit and it's a big advantage, especially since you can't feel discomfort. Actually, come to think of it, is that moddable? I remember strike fighters 2 having a similar problem of not letting you look behind yourself even in bubble canopy jets but it was fixable by tweaking a number in a text file. Adrian Owlsley fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Decided to look it up and it turns out some P-39s were used on the North African front. Some of the 81st Fighter Group was equipped with P-39s in 1943. They were mostly used for ground attack duties though, as it was considered by the US Army an outclasses fighter at that point. The 81st even retained them as the front shifted to Italy, though they apparently soon replaced them with newer aircraft. The famous Tuskegee Airmen also used them for a brief period in 1944 in the Mediterranean but were quick to get rid of them (having viewed their allocation to the unit as a subtle insult). And yeah, the P-39 is rather unstable and prone to flatspins thanks to a wonky center of gravity. IIRC, the advice of a Russian pilot who test flew them extensively was summed up as "bail out" when the Cobra enters a spin. Though thanks to his suggestions the P-63 King Cobra corrected this fault. This was done mostly by shifting the 37mm cannon forward in the fuselage, which not only fixed the center of gravity, but made room for more ammo!Bonus Picture of some RAF P-40 Kittyhawks in North Africa. Dude sitting on the wing is helping the pilot taxi. 
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