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Danish Prime Minister posted:The most misunderstood law No actually, it's perfectly clear what that law entails. The UN, Amnesty and the EU aren't condemning it because they don't understand it, they are condemning it because it's awful and draconian and right on the border (if not across) of violating the human rights conventions, you loving morons. Of course, the DPP (second largest party in racist-as-gently caress Denmark), have said quite a few times that the UN is actually just a soap-box for Muslims to complain and that it's time for us to take a look at, and perhaps opt out of, the human right etc.
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Xoidanor posted:Which is why we are hosed when the bubble pops. Nevertheless, an educated economist and national minister of finance should know better. Will it pop in the foreseeable future though? Now I'm not a scientist, but I've been hearing about a housing bubble for like 10 years now, but prices keep soaring higher and higher. I think the sad truth is that as long as there's a lack of supply and high demand the prices will keep rising, and despite the frantic building of new appartments I don't see the problem going away in the next 5-10 years. Followup question: If the bubble finally pops, how much poo poo am I in if I don't have any loans/appartment/house?
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McCloud posted:Will it pop in the foreseeable future though? Now I'm not a scientist, but I've been hearing about a housing bubble for like 10 years now, but prices keep soaring higher and higher. I think the sad truth is that as long as there's a lack of supply and high demand the prices will keep rising, and despite the frantic building of new appartments I don't see the problem going away in the next 5-10 years. Nooopeee, household debt in Sweden is at completely unsustainable levels and there's more at play in a commodity bubble then simply supply & demand. It will continue until people can no longer borrow for higher prices. If prices stagnate for too long or rates turn then the entire thing falls apart. McCloud posted:Followup question: If the bubble finally pops, how much poo poo am I in if I don't have any loans/appartment/house? Not that much poo poo unless your boss decides that it's time for lay-offs.
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McCloud posted:Followup question: If the bubble finally pops, how much poo poo am I in if I don't have any loans/appartment/house?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That is not really relevant. You had the ability to save these people, by not making Sweden sound like a wonderful place to go to, but instead you continued a policy meant to make you look good only to send tens of thousands of people to their deaths. "Save" = "Let 80 000 people who will get to stay, according to these news, rot wherever they were, in Afghanistan or along the Syrian border" "a wonderful place" = "We won't confiscate your belongings upon arrival" "send tens of thousands of people to their deaths" = ...Not really sure if you're basing that on Cardiac's claim most of them are afghans from Iran getting sent back to Afghanistan or something more. Or making a joke. You can debate whether the way asylum applications are being judged are fair or not but I don't think thousands of people are going to be executed immediately upon getting "home". This estimation of "up to 80 000" is not due to new rules or laws but based on how many applications have been denied so far. We usually don't send people back if their home is a war zone or they face some kind of threat (except, you know, when it's a bit unclear and asylum seeker can't prove this is the case without a doubt). I've been real busy at work but after reading editorials and stuff some people posted on Facebook after the Köln/We Are Sthlm-stuff I have to say, it must really suck to be so loving afraid all the time. Meanwhile, in bubble-related and blame-the-cost-of-immigration-related news: http://www.etc.se/ekonomi/ekonomiska-politiken-en-rod-bla-rora
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Åsa Linderborg has finally given up on S now. If she wont suppport them and people like her, who will? No wonder Sossarna is at 25% in the polls, they are truly hosed. http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article22159143.ab
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Potrzebie posted:Skåne has some really special kind of dumb people. Also terrible journalists. jfc this has to be illegal – Nej då måste vi identifiera dem och det är inget som vi får lov att göra. Men man kan ju tycka att när man stöter på en båt och man förklarar vad man gör och man inte får gå ombord och man då uppmanar dem att vända om och de efter ett tag, lite motstridigt, ändå vänder om – då är där något som inte stämmer riktigt.
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Fader Movitz posted:Åsa Linderborg has finally given up on S now. If she wont suppport them and people like her, who will? No wonder Sossarna is at 25% in the polls, they are truly hosed. "Som hemmavarande till vänster om socialdemokraterna har jag alltid hyst en irritation mot arbetarrörelsens största parti."  (S is losing voters to M and SD, not V. Don't be stupid) e: Up next; Lars Ohly: "Måttet är rågat, glöm att jag röstar S! Det har jag iofs aldrig gjort, eller ens funderat på, typ någonsin, men nu tänker jag, vid Lenins skägg, verkligen rösta skit-jävla-cp-mycket inte-S" Cake Smashing Boob fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:I've been real busy at work but after reading editorials and stuff some people posted on Facebook after the Köln/We Are Sthlm-stuff I have to say, it must really suck to be so loving afraid all the time. Yeah, what are those sluts whining about? If they send the wrong signals by not dressing modestly, maybe don't act aghast when Ahmed gets frisky...?
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:"Som hemmavarande till vänster om socialdemokraterna har jag alltid hyst en irritation mot arbetarrörelsens största parti." What I'm saying is that the few supporters that would never leave for M or SD are disillusioned and can't be bothered any more. Leaving no one to actually care about S. They seem to lack a clear direction, the party doesn't know what it wants and kinda bumble around without accomplishing much. Especially when it comes to the housing bubble. Not that M is much better mind you, but if S only appeal is being status quo and a watered out M immigration policy they are hosed.
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Pimpmust posted:http://politik.tv2.dk/2016-01-28-pia-kjaersgaard-derfor-boer-avis-traekke-nazi-tegning-af-loekke-tilbage "What's your response to this cartoon showing Lars Løkke dressed like a nazi while saying it's offensive to be compared to nazis?" "I'm offended. It's an offensive cartoon and I want it withdrawn."
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Fader Movitz posted:What I'm saying is that the few supporters that would never leave for M or SD are disillusioned and can't be bothered any more. Leaving no one to actually care about S. They seem to lack a clear direction, the party doesn't know what it wants and kinda bumble around without accomplishing much. Especially when it comes to the housing bubble. Not that M is much better mind you, but if S only appeal is being status quo and a watered out M immigration policy they are hosed. I would say the problem is MP, why vote for the borings statsmannaparti when you can vote for sexy idealistic fiery rhetoric green party?
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Wild Horses posted:I would say the problem is MP, why vote for the borings statsmannaparti when you can vote for sexy idealistic fiery rhetoric green party? Except that nobody is voting for MP anymore after having been shown how well they handle power? S trying to get voters with identity politics is kinda ridicilous though, since those voters will vote for V or Fi instead.
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Xoidanor posted:Nooopeee, household debt in Sweden is at completely unsustainable levels and there's more at play in a commodity bubble then simply supply & demand. It will continue until people can no longer borrow for higher prices. If prices stagnate for too long or rates turn then the entire thing falls apart. Heh, unless I murder someone on purpose I'm sitting pretty! Guess I'll be able to get a bargain on an appartment in 6- years or so, if I'm lucky and the bubble pops. What effect, if any, would you think the ammorteringskrav (requirement to pay of loans) that's been floated would have? Lord Tywin posted:Except that nobody is voting for MP anymore after having been shown how well they handle power? S trying to get voters with identity politics is kinda ridicilous though, since those voters will vote for V or Fi instead. Amen. The best test of a mans character is to give him power, and after seeing how the clowns in MP have handled theirs they've scared me off for at least a couple of elections. At least a year ago I would have briefly considered voting for them, despite their opposition to nuclear power and GMO but now I'm putting them in the same category as FI and KD. Did anyone else read this btw? http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6355253 quote:Svenska regeringar beslutar ofta om stora infrastrukturprojekt – trots att kalkyler visar att de är samhällsekonomiskt olönsamma. I thought investing in infrastructure was a good thing? I read the article and the debate article linked, but I don't see what they suggest we should invest in instead. McCloud fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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McCloud posted:What effect, if any, would you think the ammorteringskrav (requirement to pay of loans) that's been floated would have? Not that much initially since it won't affect current loans. It would however make people stop taking blanco-lån hopefully since vastly increases the monthly cost of new loans. Could potentially snowball in the future though if the central rate turns upwards.
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Bad news if you're the young woman living in the suburbs: http://www.svd.se/enkat-visar-tydligt-fortryck-i-stockholms-fororter quote:Efter Carin Götblads senaste (2014) utredning som hon gjorde på regeringens uppdrag vet vi att över 100 000 ungdomar i Sverige växer upp med begränsningar, kontroll och i vissa fall hot och våld i hederns namn (år 2009 låg siffran på 70 000). I suspect this isn't just a problem in stockholm. God bless Amineh Kakabaveh. As a female kurdish V politician she's immune to the typical bullshit "fiskar i grumliga vatten" and "främjar mörka krafter" accusations that would have been leveled at anyone else. This poo poo is so depressing and infuriating, we've known this has been an issue for at least 15 god drat years and still this is a problem, still we let these assbackwards people with their rear end backwards opinions about honor ruin the lives of thousands of young women. Not just women! Men too are victims in this bullshit honor system. Their hosed up cultural values ruin lives , it's high loving time our supposedly feminist government started doing something about this poo poo. God damnit. I'm gonna vote for Amineh every chance I get for the work she's doing with this.
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Alexios posted:Naw, they claim that Swedish governments make bad calls on what to invest in or how to build stuff, not that investment in infastructure is bad, there's a link in that page that leads to DN debatt which brings up several points. Yeah I got that, but I am wondering what they proposed instead or what would have been a better investment. I'm all for the suggestions on how to decide what to pump money into though.
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McCloud posted:Yeah I got that, but I am wondering what they proposed instead or what would have been a better investment. I'm all for the suggestions on how to decide what to pump money into though. I see now. They got paid to only say the obvious so there's no such answer from them lol
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Something something samhällsekonomisk lönsamhetskalkyl, also known as "poo poo in, poo poo out"
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Wild Horses posted:I would say the problem is MP, why vote for the borings statsmannaparti when you can vote for sexy idealistic fiery rhetoric green party? MP is losing supporters almost as badly as S at the moment. Governing has not been good for them.
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Xoidanor posted:Nooopeee, household debt in Sweden is at completely unsustainable levels and there's more at play in a commodity bubble then simply supply & demand. It will continue until people can no longer borrow for higher prices. If prices stagnate for too long or rates turn then the entire thing falls apart. When the whole house of cards collapses, it'll probably affect all parts of the economy and funds and stocks too. Perhaps the idea is to have a paid off house you won't loose so when sweden turns into greece 2.0 she'll have a roof over her head to hide from the acid rain in. Albeit without electricity and with gang-rape bands of ex-stekare roaming the corpse infested streets.
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His Divine Shadow posted:When the whole house of cards collapses, it'll probably affect all parts of the economy and funds and stocks too. Perhaps the idea is to have a paid off house you won't loose so when sweden turns into greece 2.0 she'll have a roof over her head to hide from the acid rain in. Albeit without electricity and with gang-rape bands of ex-stekare roaming the corpse infested streets. No that's just Malmö.
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So I had my way by my local Pizzeria and while waiting for my pizza I overheard the next table over (4 middle-aged/slightly overweight Svenssons) discussing the important questions of life, such as: How to combat stress, long walks and long Sauna baths How much they were smoking, if they should switch over to Snus or not (guy didn't like it) If Maurijana was legal, they wouldn't drink beer and other positive effects And while we are at legalizing that, why not prostitution? Because they knew lots of old men that went to Thailand for that They'd also heard (presumably from the same people) that all the Japanese people in Thailand were disgusting leechers only after children to gently caress And really, all Asians completely lacked feelings, the cruelest people etc etc This leads to immigration debate here in Sweden, and now we get to the good parts: Convinced of roving bands of 17 year old molestors from Iraq/Afghanistan, that no one were talking about / police hushing up How rich afghanistani families were sending over their boys so 17-50 of them could move over here ("thankfully politicians had put an end to that!") How the one woman they knew who worked with immigrants as a volunteer wouldn't hear their anti-PK stuff at all and really, doesn't that mean she's the extremist? Actually all people like that are extremists and isn't this very much like how the NAZIS came to power in germany?? Ordinary Germans weren't allowed to speak up just like we aren't allowed to speak up! This will surely lead to civil war within years (although it's the immigrants that start it) A table full of Ligurs I had to listen to for 15 minutes 
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Hoppas media inser sitt ansvar i dom senaste dagarnas tragedier. Det här är exakt vad som händer när man fokuserar så mycket på allt dåligt med invandring. Man behöver inte rapportera om precis allting, media måste faktiskt ha lite taktkänsla och förståelse. Det är bättre att vara tyst än att underblåsa renodlad fascism.McCloud posted:Bad news if you're the young woman living in the suburbs:
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Magical Zero posted:Hoppas media inser sitt ansvar i dom senaste dagarnas tragedier. Det här är exakt vad som händer när man fokuserar så mycket på allt dåligt med invandring. Man behöver inte rapportera om precis allting, media måste faktiskt ha lite taktkänsla och förståelse. Det är bättre att vara tyst än att underblåsa renodlad fascism. Skämtar du eller? Om Media hade varit ärliga från början så hade vi aldrig varit i den här röran eftersom vi förmodligen hade haft ålderskontroller, hårdare krav och en mycket mindre invandring, det är till stor del medias fel att det ser ut som det gör idag eftersom de bara har valt att fokusera på det positiva och gjort allt i sin kraft för att få invandringen att se ut som ren vinst.
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Magical Zero posted:Hoppas media inser sitt ansvar i dom senaste dagarnas tragedier. Det här är exakt vad som händer när man fokuserar så mycket på allt dåligt med invandring. Man behöver inte rapportera om precis allting, media måste faktiskt ha lite taktkänsla och förståelse. Det är bättre att vara tyst än att underblåsa renodlad fascism. One might also say that downplaying and dismissing brutal gender discrimination just because it happens in minority populations ultimately gives racists and islamophobes a lot of ammunition, and people who do that are useful idiots for literal nazis.
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Fader Movitz posted:Åsa Linderborg has finally given up on S now. If she wont suppport them and people like her, who will? No wonder Sossarna is at 25% in the polls, they are truly hosed. Didn't read that one since Linderborg is LOL-communist. Nevertheless, she has earned my respect for not pussyfooting around what she really means. I guess when you have earned a lot of money from your books, you can afford to not give a gently caress. Fredrik Johansson at SvD made an interesting comment on this, or rather S continuing problems. http://www.svd.se/socialdemokratins-langa-krisresa-fortsatter Also: https://twitter.com/hanifbali/status/693373832091017216  Afghanistan must be horrible for teens, but pretty OK for 18+. Also, girls must be treated very well in Afghanistan since they are a small part (15%) of all underage asylum seekers. Funny fact, 1/5 of all 16 years in Sweden are currently underage asylum seekers, primarily from Afghanistan and also male. That is not going to be a problem at all. We have received 33 000 underage asylum seekers, costing roughly 33 billion SEK, and most from Afghanistan. In all likelihood we will pay off Afghanistan to take back these underage asylum seekers. In case you doubt this, you have probably missed how recently S hosed West Sahara and Polisario over just in order to be able to return 800 Marockan street children who are currently in Sweden. I assume you all remember the debate regarding the guard at Malmö C and the Marockan street child. And asylum centers are really places of serenity: http://www.svd.se/svd-avslojar-tusentals-incidenter-i-polisens-flyktingkod Cardiac fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Lord Tywin posted:Skämtar du eller? Om Media hade varit ärliga från början så hade vi aldrig varit i den här röran eftersom vi förmodligen hade haft ålderskontroller, hårdare krav och en mycket mindre invandring, det är till stor del medias fel att det ser ut som det gör idag eftersom de bara har valt att fokusera på det positiva och gjort allt i sin kraft för att få invandringen att se ut som ren vinst. deputamadre posted:One might also say that downplaying and dismissing brutal gender discrimination just because it happens in minority populations ultimately gives racists and islamophobes a lot of ammunition, and people who do that are useful idiots for literal nazis. I respect Amineh Kakabaveh and she has every right to speak up, but there is no doubt that her articles are used as fuel for Islamophobia by the far right. e: Cardiac posted:And asylum centers are really places of serenity: Det här är exakt vad jag menar. Den där "flyktingkoden" kan innefatta dom mest ofarliga och banala händelser men självklart kommer det vinklas som "the RAPEfugees are at it again!". SVD har verkligen blivit en av de värsta rabble rousers sen nyår, med Arpi i spetsen. Sjukt. Magical Zero fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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