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What's happening here? http://www.logistics.dbschenker.se/log-se-se/press/arkivoverview/7992852/20140911_leveranser_till_rinkeby_stoppas.html
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So now Lövfén is a jiujitsu master that wrestles journalists and shoves Annie Lööf in a debate. Sort of like Putin but without nuclear weapons.  And Jimmie Åkesson is apparently a gambling addict in denial. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=4657&grupp=20696&artikel=5963442 Fader Movitz fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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It's Swedish Armageddon, just like Reinfeldt warned us about if we vote for the Left. A milder, gentler, and more boring End of Days. And somewhere, in a quiet suburb, a recycling container for plastics is being stuffed with cardboard and metal cans.
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F! Gets 3.9% out of 4% needed to get into parliament in Expressen/Demoskop. Demoskop's Poll: V: 7,2 (+1,6) S: 29,2 (-1,5) MP: 9,7 (+2,4) C: 6,8 (+0,2) FP: 5,9 (-1,2) KD: 4,9 (-0,7) M: 20,9 (-9,2) SD: 10,2 (+4,5) FI: 3,9 (+3,5) Övriga: 1,4 (+0,4) 46.1% for The opposition, 50.1% if F! snags six thousand votes untill Sunday. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Hob_Gadling posted:What's happening here? http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/schenker-stoppar-sina-leveranser-till-rinkeby/ Apparently their drivers were attacked
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Now where is our dear American expatriate "getting chuckles" about how "miniscule" our silly Swedish problems are and foreseeing a glorious future for Malmö because of that one time he wandered around Rosengård and made it out unscathed?
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Fader Movitz posted:So now Lövfén is a jiujitsu master that wrestles journalists and shoves Annie Lööf in a debate. Or maybe we can stick to realty.
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Cardiac posted:On the other hand, SD Hm an unsourced blog. This changes everything. quote:Min bästa vän –vi kan kalla honom Abdullah quote:Abdullah är troende muslim och går regelbundet till moskén. En dag vänder han sig till mig Seems legit. nagel posted:Growth is a serious issue, and by bringing up a dissenting opinion on growth as a positive, they are at least talking about the issue, albeit in a very limited fashion. And I don't blame them for not having an alternative, as of yet. How do you present a viable alternative to a system that has permeated the globe for several hundred years, and that is hammered into the public by pretty much every politician and media outlet except for those that also bring up Jewish banking conspiracies and other stuff? Without working for a violent revolution? Yeah, nuclear is obviously better than coal or gas. But increasing energy effiency (there is a huge potential for this) and using renewable energy where we do need it seems a much better idea, imo. According to Energimyndighetens latest long-term prognosis, our energy consumption will decrease slightly by 2030 and we will probably reach 50% renewable energy production by 2020. That's just given the policies we have today, I think it's fair to assume a greater emphasis on environmental policy could achieve much more than that. Sadly, MP has toned down a lot of their growth critique. Don't want to miss out on all those middle class voters, I suppose. Meanwhile, I found a pamphlet on my bike today. Islam is the light apparently. I thought about checking how many votes they got last election, but they don't think people should vote since democracy was created by people and not god so welp. 
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Konec Hry posted:He was and is completely right, though. Well poo poo, I guess we're morons then and need a Yank to talk down to us with patronizing bullshit to make us realize how easy to fix our problems are. Btw, how is it possible for the wealthiest nation in history to have social problems so much worse than ours? Come on, you're an icon of liberty and prosperity for the whole world. You hold that all men are created equal, I mean your founding fathers figured that poo poo out way back. I think all you need to do is get together and talk out your issues like the shining beacon of democracy you are, amirite? Maybe someday I'll move to the US and get myself a big house with a white picket fence. *chuckle*
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:Meanwhile, I found a pamphlet on my bike today. Islam is the light apparently. I thought about checking how many votes they got last election, but they don't think people should vote since democracy was created by people and not god so welp. A few hundred members, according to SR: http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3993&artikel=5963116
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Fader Movitz posted:And Jimmie Åkesson is apparently a gambling addict in denial. This is pretty damning. To say that half a million doesn't affect your life is tantamount to being completely detached from reality, and it's disrespectful to voters who would find half a million life-changing. Of course, SD will just magically gain a few percentage points from it, because SD! 
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Can someone explain SD's massive gains in recent years? This is the party that didn't have any parliamentary presence as recently as 2006 and now seems poised to become the third largest one come Sunday. I find it odd because immigration has been a hot issue for decades (or nobody would have heard of Ny Demokrati) and while I used to see their eventual entrance into Riksdagen as inevitable, I naively thought their brand of populism wouldn't appeal to Swedes enough to garner them more than 5-6 % for the foreseeable future. Is it related to sossarnas decade-long existential crisis or all due to Åkessons charisma and political acumen?
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Karpaw posted:Can someone explain SD's massive gains in recent years? This is the party that didn't have any parliamentary presence as recently as 2006 and now seems poised to become the third largest one come Sunday. I find it odd because immigration has been a hot issue for decades (or nobody would have heard of Ny Demokrati) and while I used to see their eventual entrance into Riksdagen as inevitable, I naively thought their brand of populism wouldn't appeal to Swedes enough to garner them more than 5-6 % for the foreseeable future. Is it related to sossarnas decade-long existential crisis or all due to Åkessons charisma and political acumen? They have siphoned off enormous amounts of xenophobic M voters who want to force M to reconcider. M has also lost the middle class to S. M is heading towards complete disaster and the intresting thing will be to see what happens to SD and M when Reinfeldt throws in the towel and quits. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Karpaw posted:Can someone explain SD's massive gains in recent years? This is the party that didn't have any parliamentary presence as recently as 2006 and now seems poised to become the third largest one come Sunday. I find it odd because immigration has been a hot issue for decades (or nobody would have heard of Ny Demokrati) and while I used to see their eventual entrance into Riksdagen as inevitable, I naively thought their brand of populism wouldn't appeal to Swedes enough to garner them more than 5-6 % for the foreseeable future. Is it related to sossarnas decade-long existential crisis or all due to Åkessons charisma and political acumen? lilljonas summed it up well: lilljonas posted:By pretending to be outside the system (yet voting for Alliansen 80% of the time) you can frame yourself as the outsider that challenges the status quo and traditional politics. SD combines that with giving very simple answers ("if we stop immigration everyone will get tons of money for everything, and everybody wins!") which will never be tried and thereby they will never have to be questioned when their simple idea fails to deliver. E: Why they became so strong just now though I think can be attributed to Åkesson. Everyone below him is literally a retard it seems. Will be interesting to see if his gambling addiction will have any effect on their result. Captain Scandinaiva fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Sep 12, 2014 |
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Karpaw posted:Well poo poo, I guess we're morons then and need a Yank to talk down to us with patronizing bullshit to make us realize how easy to fix our problems are. Sadly it seems the blue block is trying its hardest American-ify the Swedish economy, so maybe the US can serve as a living cautionary tale about going down the neoliberal path. Reinfeldt sucks but he's no Reagan or even Thatcher in terms of evil.
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:Hm an unsourced blog. This changes everything. I guess I have some reading to do! Also, never heard of that Islamic party, I kind of want to see SD's reaction. Where I live, outside Stockholm, I haven't seen SD's valstuga, until a couple of days ago, but it was just a table and some banners. I guess they didn't feel like bothering after the last election, when their valstuga turned upside down after a few days. Literally, upside down. And with a whole lot of swastikas added. Lärarförbundet has set up shop though, and some kind of pensioner's association. MP just has a cargo container, which I kinda like.
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nagel posted:I guess I have some reading to do! Also, never heard of that Islamic party, I kind of want to see SD's reaction. Back during the European election all parties had been invited to a political conference to introduce themselves to the new immigrants in our city. The Swedish democrats just kinda stood awkwardly outside for the period and didn't dare to enter. Immigrant kids (who crushed the windows of their car just the day before) camping out the entrance probably had something to do with it but still. That they even bothered to show up amazes me.
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Cardiac posted:Based on answers in this thread I am not at all surprised D&D contains a non-ironic Marxism thread. Based on your  posting, I just went to vote the polar opposite of SD. Thanks for keeping Sweden clean! 
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Cardiac posted:Based on answers in this thread I am not at all surprised D&D contains a non-ironic Marxism thread. Tell us about cultural Marxism. As for the election tomorrow: Do you really want to keep these guys in power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3du3JxFM8A No? Then vote F! or S/V/MP.
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I kind of regret not voting fi now. I don't really agree with a lot of what they say, but they'll be an excellent trolling of SDers
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My PIN is 4826 posted:I kind of regret not voting fi now. I don't really agree with a lot of what they say, but they'll be an excellent trolling of SDers Now that would be a debate worth seeing.
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My PIN is 4826 posted:I kind of regret not voting fi now. I don't really agree with a lot of what they say, but they'll be an excellent trolling of SDers You can still change your mind, if you vote on election day that overrides any vote you may have cast earlier.
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TheFluff posted:You can still change your mind, if you vote on election day that overrides any vote you may have cast earlier. I'm an expat v  v
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This is a political thread we should have pictures like in the Political Pictures thread AND THEY SHOULD BE INCISIVE I DONT KNOW  PERFUNCTORY 
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Vote F! for a parliamenteray majority S government.
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:
Time for KD to modernize and generalize its appeal, Religionsdemokraterna here we come  Meanwhile I find Centerns recent rise in the polls completely mystifying, considering media has spent the last couple of years making GBS threads on Lööf and C has been on the brink of falling below 4%. I haven't been following the debates, so what's with the sudden spurt in popularity?
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Pimpmust posted:Time for KD to modernize and generalize its appeal, Religionsdemokraterna here we come Actually, C is in a position where they should be able to easily grab 7-8% if the party was better managed. It is the only party on the right that even remotely pretends to care about the environment, and Swedes generally care about that. All advertisement from C that I've seen in town has been about the environment. So, if we assume that there are a bunch of people who have the environment as one of their primary interests, and they don't want to vote MP for some reason, there's really no other place for them to go. Additionally, the people I know who vote C are all right wing people who own small companies or care a lot about small companies. M is pretty much in the pocket of big business, and FP is pretty invisible on those issues, as well as KD. So if you are a small business-owner bourgeois, C should be in a good position to get your vote. Combine that with rural people who hate MP because they want to raise gas prices, and you should have three pretty solid voter groups to appeal to. So I think that the sudden rise of C is not so surprising, but rather a return to the kind of figures that you'd expect their political agenda should give them. Basically, it's them not underperforming as tremendously as they've done the last couple of years, and Lööf dialing back her personal (and completely idiotic) political ideals and banking more towards the kind of rhetoric that people are used to hear from C. Now, C is remarkable because they suck so badly that they have been floating around 4-5% for a long time, which is more of a testament to how poor the current party leadership is, than how attractive C could potentially be. After all, C used to be a major player, for a long time much stronger than M. It's easy to forget that M was nowhere as dominant on the right before, the M dominance was born during the first period of the alliansen, when they simultaneously cannibalized a lot of the support for the other parties. When I was younger C was a solid 10-12% party, and before that it was a 15-25% party. In a future with a weakened M without Reinfelt, Borg and Bildt, which I kind of expect if they lose, it's not hard to imagine that C (and even FP if they kick out Björklund and reform the party) could snatch back a lot of support from M, giving us three right wing parties who are more equal in size. This would fit the view on the left, where S is gradually losing dominance and we'll see three (or even four) parties that are much more equal in size and power. tl:dr - C is a party that should have 8% if they basically said and did nothing at all. Anything below that is just them actively pushing people away from their party. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Sep 13, 2014 |
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Yeah well all that really doesn't explain this sudden surge. The farmers hate C/the right now due to certain... statements, and even Dagens Industri takes the piss out of C at any opportunity.
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Pimpmust posted:Yeah well all that really doesn't explain this sudden surge. The farmers hate C/the right now due to certain... statements, and even Dagens Industri takes the piss out of C at any opportunity. I guess the american libertarian rhetoric she has been borrowing from so heavily during the last year is just really popular amongst a certain segment of the voters. 
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lilljonas posted:
I never got C. They were always the old farmers party and now there is very little farmers left. After that i have never really gotten a clear picture of what their politics are and they don't really follow a good party line. Right wing environmentalists? More autonomy for diffrent regions? At any time you think you know what they are they suggest something completely insane. Like letting librarys be run by private and for profit compaines I feel that any party of their size should keep to their main issues (whatever they are).
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Here's an interview with Göran Persson concerning some current stuff. Including putin and a cooperation with MP. It's pretty intresting. http://podtrac.com/player/MzgyNDk1/MTM1 Say what you want about him but he is argubly one of the more gifted prime ministers we ever had.
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White Rock posted:I never got C. They were always the old farmers party and now there is very little farmers left. After that i have never really gotten a clear picture of what their politics are and they don't really follow a good party line. Well, farmers are often operating as self-employed or as businesses with very few employees these days, so it kind of makes sense that the farmers party kind of mutated into a party that wants to remove most taxes for small sized companies. M used to be the party that wanted to remove all taxes all the time, but that went away with the refurnishing by Schlingmann: "Nya moderaterna" was supposed to be a more trustworthy, all-encompassing party that the average person should trust the running of the country to. For that you need taxes, so M stopped using "tax cuts for everything" as their main talking point. That meant that the tax hater voting group was up for grabs, and hey, we just happen to have a new young rabid libertarian party leader for C.... Basically C is a party that hates taxes, loves small businesses, pretend to like the environment... and hates taxes?
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Here's an interview with Göran Persson concerning some current stuff. Including putin and a cooperation with MP. It's pretty intresting. This is real good, so thanks for posting it. I only wish Kielos was a bit more argumentative, simply so he was forced to develop his standpoints a bit. But I agree with what you said, Persson was, and is, reallly smart - härskartekniker and boorishness notwithstanding.
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Somebody find a melody that fits these lyrics asap, tia quote:Jimmie spelade på nätet
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Star posted:This is real good, so thanks for posting it. I only wish Kielos was a bit more argumentative, simply so he was forced to develop his standpoints a bit. But I agree with what you said, Persson was, and is, reallly smart - härskartekniker and boorishness notwithstanding. My aunts husband worked at the department of finance under Persson for 10 years, and later under Anders Borg. He said, "Borg has confidence but not pragmatism, Persson always litsened to what we had to say even if he is a buffalo".
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Somebody find a melody that fits these lyrics asap, tia 
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People aren't posting enough pictures! Here, have one of the shittiest made photos of electioning ever made in a Stockholm suburb. (Although, it has the beard bros in the right part)
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My PIN is 4826 posted:Somebody find a melody that fits these lyrics asap, tia Fredmans Sång No. 32.
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KennyMan666 posted:I tried this thread needed more songs made by troper bronies tbh
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