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Ensign_Ricky posted:Is that a problem? Yes, where were all these stories hiding before!
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Blue Star posted:If loving Robin Williams succumbed to depression, what chance does someone like me have? Please consider medication. I have suffered crippling depression my entire life, and it has only gotten worse as certain traumatic events happened. I was in the depths of despair and lost the best girlfriend I've ever had because of it, and had stopped talking to people almost entirely except for work. Then I was able to get (unpaid) medical leave from work, and spent a few weeks speaking to various therapists finding the right one for me. After three weeks and eight failures I did, and then spoke to a doctor about getting a prescription for an antidepressant, I have been on plenty before like wellbutrin, but can no longer swallow pills due to throat scarring. If you need a suggestion to talk to your doctor about, I currently take the liquid form of Citalopram, the generic of Celexa. It along with therapy has immeasurably improved my life, allowed me to socialize and look at things optimistically, instead of just being so cripplingly sad and despairing all the time. It's never a bad time to talk to someone and seek help. If you are suffering from depression, please don't let it fester and encroach on your mind, it pollutes everything and makes nothing enjoyable anymore. It is a constant weight that even now I still deal with, but my therapy, medication, and improving my diet has galvanized my ability to push the negative thoughts away and enjoy life. I have talked four people out of suicide and to seek help, and I've been told I should look into becoming a psychotherapist, but I'm not really one for that sort of thing on a constant basis, as it can be depressing itself as you help someone through their problems, especially empathizing with them can be incredibly exhausting, but I'd rather shoulder that burden than stand by and do nothing. Nobody doing anything even when there were signs he was very depressed is why a childhood friend of mine hung himself in middle school, and it haunted my sister for the rest of her life.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:47
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Steve Yun posted:Yes, where were all these stories hiding before! That's the saddest part about these unexpected deaths, you only hear these amazing stories when the person is already gone. Ryan Davis, who suddenly died right after he got married at age 32, is a prime example of this, as well.
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Aug 13, 2014 09:49
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Steve Yun posted:Yes, where were all these stories hiding before! People just don't tend to tell them, though I'm pretty sure they exist out there somewhere before all this. It's what happens when someone dies, you tell stories of them at their best. There doesn't seem a reason to when they're still alive, which is sad but there we are.
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Aug 13, 2014 10:20
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Steve Yun posted:Yes, where were all these stories hiding before! Being none of your business?
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Aug 13, 2014 10:25
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Captain Invictus posted:It's never a bad time to talk to someone and seek help. If you are suffering from depression, please don't let it fester and encroach on your mind, it pollutes everything and makes nothing enjoyable anymore. When you're depressed, you might think "eh, I'm not doing that badly compared to some other people, I don't need any help, I can deal with this myself" even while you're also thinking of the most reliable and painless way to commit suicide or at least wishing you could somehow erase yourself from existence and memory. When I had such thoughts, I figured them to be completely normal; after all, it wasn't like anyone would care if I disappeared, and a lot of people would probably be glad if I did. Depression loving sucks.
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OH NO MAN posted:This can't be stressed enough. If you are suffering from depression, get help. It took me way too long to follow that advice, and as a result I basically lived in a haze for a decade. While I was able to function well enough to do most of my school work, I couldn't enjoy anything and basically went on with my existence as a mindless automaton just going through the motions and avoiding social contact because I figured no one would want to have anything to do with me anyway. I've not been feeling 'right' for a long time, and all of this has spurned me into actually making an appointment to see someone. I took the NHS test (Which by all means isn't an aggregation of depression but helps) and the only questions I failed were about thoughts of harming myself and my eating habits (I've taken to massively overeating instead of under eating). It could be nothing, but I can't even do the things I used to enjoy anymore. At the end of the day just getting checked out won't hurt one bit.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:29
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Please remember to not just settle for any therapist. Find one who works for you. I went through eight who did not work for me, either I wasn't their specialty age range, or specialty type of affliction, or they just didn't click with me(one was a 65 year old dude whose knowledge of video games and pop culture was "that Wii thing I read about in the paper, right?", so there was a massive generation gap between us). It doesn't hurt to take time off of work if you can get it, even unpaid, to make sure you focus entirely on bettering yourself and your situation. If I had to work while trying to set up and get to appointments during those weeks, I would've gone nutty. Always remember: it can get better. Even after I've lost almost everything I have and everyone I love or is important to me multiple times, I've still forced myself to get back up. I think the most important thing for anyone who is depressed, is to find something basic to live for. Something that can't just be defined and met and that's it, goal over. My personal reason to live(although it's not the only thing, it's the one I can count on when I have nothing else and have reached the bottom of the barrel) is "to watch the direction humanity goes in the future, to see what advances in technology and medicine we make during my lifetime, for as long as I can". This type of goal or basic belief can help you find meaning when everything seems pointless. Also, if you are uninsured or poor, it doesn't mean you have zero options. If nothing else, there are hotlines such as The Samaritans(for Massachusetts residents) who provide counseling, emotional support, and just someone to talk to, staffed by volunteers who are totally willing to listen to your problems, or just chit-chat if you want for a while, for free. I'm sure there's plenty of similar organizations in other areas as well. My stepfather and my sister's former boyfriend both work/worked there and have helped dozens of people who felt like they had no other options.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:58
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Captain Invictus posted:That's the saddest part about these unexpected deaths, you only hear these amazing stories when the person is already gone.
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Aug 13, 2014 13:52
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There was a TV series in the 80s called "Monsters." It was like Twilight Zone or Tales from the Darkside but it specifically focused on various kinds of monsters. One episode had a guy who cured diseases in people by causing them to manifest as monstrous physical entities that he could fight and kill. I really I wish I had that power. I really want to kill some depression. I want to kill it and make it hurt while it dies, because it's hurt me by taking Robin Williams. It's hurt the entire world by taking him. Rest in Peace, Mr. Williams. God are we going to miss you.
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Aug 13, 2014 14:55
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Critical posted:I am fortunate to have met this wonderful man, possibly during one of his bad days. And on one of his bad days he was a better person than most on their best of days. This was lovely, thank you for sharing.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:05
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Admiral Bosch posted:This was lovely, thank you for sharing. Yeah, that's a fantastic story that demonstrates just how naturally cool he was.
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Aug 13, 2014 16:13
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Pillory Soft posted:Comedian Jamie Kilstein was supported by Robin Williams throughout his career (emotionally and, at times, financially), and used to contact him whenever he was having problems in his own life. This was a sad but good listen, thank you for sharing. Some great stories from a person who clearly loved him.
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Aug 13, 2014 18:20
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Captain Invictus posted:That's the saddest part about these unexpected deaths, you only hear these amazing stories when the person is already gone. It's how we cope with these things. We look back on the people that touched our lives in some way or another and try to remember them at their best and that's how we tend to try and honour their memory. Regardless of whether or not we were a fan of the guy, Robin Williams was a staple in the media that the majority of the people that post on here consumed and his movies were a staple of most people's childhood and adolescence.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:11
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So Zelda Williams got harassed off twitter by internet folks posting Photoshopped corpses of Robin. Classy
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Aug 13, 2014 21:28
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So Zelda Williams got harassed off twitter by internet folks posting Photoshopped corpses of Robin. Classy This makes me loving mad. I mean - sure, some people have no decency on the internet, but this is crossing a line big time. Just imagine this happening to you. Your father, who is one of the closest and most influential people in your life, who you know in a way nobody else can, is gone. You never get to see him smile again. You never get to hug him again. And you have to live with the knowledge that he took his own life, despite the close and warm relationship you two had. It literally just happened, yesterday. You can't even cope with it yet. In some ways, you haven't even realized the finality of it. And then, in the middle of all this, you get bombarded by hateful messages and photoshopped pictures of him, your most beloved person. You don't personally care that he was famous - he was your father; as normal and fragile as any man. He could have been a welder and he'd still be just that - your one and only father. This post doesn't make a single difference to anything, but I just had to vent. drat it, random internet people, learn some empathy and respect. It doesn't only prevent you from making stupid things like this, it'll also make you a happier, more complete person in life.
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Aug 13, 2014 21:51
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Apparently Twitter is working with the police to find the people who did it, and supposedly 4chan is also tracking them down since Zelda sometimes posts there. But yea, poo poo like that just boils my blood, some people just have no soul.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:04
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The harassers are big dog Call of Duty LPers. One of them is a somewhat popular partner with Machinima, too. Some SA people on Twitter compiled all of their account names and were going to start contacting their employers and the Little League team they coach and all of that but they backed off because there are a number of people with similar names in the same area. Is there any use in posting all of that or is it too internet detective? If the police are already involved, whatever, but this has me in the kind of mood that would really benefit from watching a bunch of video game dipshits and church social groups scrambling to cover their poo poo.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:31
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There's no benefit, you'd have to be 100% certain you're going after the right people otherwise you might hurt the wrong ones.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:37
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Crackerman posted:Speaking of The Fisher King, the whole thing about him running away from the black knight is going to take on another layer of significance now. Red Knight. I just watched that because of this thread and it's loving heartwrenching. I'm not even going to link it because it will bring everyone down. But it's such a perfect metaphor for depression, he experiences some joy and the Knight is right there ready to take it away again. The only way he can get the joy back is by giving in and finally letting the Red Knight kill him, knowing his pain will be over...
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Aug 13, 2014 22:45
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Tornhelm posted:Zelda has released a statement. The part about the world sharing her family's pain reminds me of the Jenny Fields memorial scene in Garp. As Garp, he wanted to be around as many people as possible who felt the way he did about losing his mother.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:52
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In light of recent events The Fisher King feels like Robin Williams' truest role to himself.
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Aug 13, 2014 22:53
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Pijonsnodt posted:The harassers are big dog Call of Duty LPers. One of them is a somewhat popular partner with Machinima, too. If you are talking about here then no, posting personal info is a bannable offence. Yes, the harassers are total scumbags and assholes and I wouldn't feel bad if something happened to them, but here is not the place to go Internet Detective on them. I would just let 4chan and Twitter do their thing.
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Aug 13, 2014 23:18
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The worst thing is that the only thing people like that will regret about this whole thing is that they weren't more careful to avoid being caught.
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Aug 13, 2014 23:35
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Arthe Xavier posted:This makes me loving mad. I mean - sure, some people have no decency on the internet, but this is crossing a line big time. Just imagine this happening to you. Your father, who is one of the closest and most influential people in your life, who you know in a way nobody else can, is gone. You never get to see him smile again. You never get to hug him again. And you have to live with the knowledge that he took his own life, despite the close and warm relationship you two had. It literally just happened, yesterday. You can't even cope with it yet. In some ways, you haven't even realized the finality of it. And then, in the middle of all this, you get bombarded by hateful messages and photoshopped pictures of him, your most beloved person. You don't personally care that he was famous - he was your father; as normal and fragile as any man. He could have been a welder and he'd still be just that - your one and only father.
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Aug 13, 2014 23:45
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I just don't understand why people see anonymity as an excuse to show that they're completely inhuman.
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Aug 13, 2014 23:47
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people see anonymity as an excuse to show that they're completely inhuman. Nowadays they don't even use anonymity, check out the social media thread in PFY or god forbid the Freepers thread in D&D.
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Aug 14, 2014 00:04
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people see anonymity as an excuse to show that they're completely inhuman. Some people truly believe the only way they'll personally change the world is to make things worse, a self fulfilling prophecy. Others know they can make positive change, even if it's just one smile at a time.
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Aug 14, 2014 00:07
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Isn't there some study that showed that anonymity actually reinforces anti-social behavior? I think it was in the Journal of Half-Remembered Anecdotes I Read Sometime Somewhere. The thing about these fringe jerks that makes them truly despicable is the same thing that makes street harassment so loving obnoxious and infuriating. It betrays such an insecure desire to broadcast your id to someone who doesn't have any power over or personal affiliation with you so that you don't have to deal with it yourself or, gasp, risk exposing your sick ideas to your own friends and family, and finding out, "No, dude, I have no desire to tell a total stranger she has a nice rear end / gloat in her face that her father is dead." It makes me feel so loving selfish because literally minutes after I found out the news, friends of mine and I were making really crass jokes about it. One of us had even made a joke tweet way back in May about Williams dying, and everyone was joking about how she killed him. I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't understand if people were offended by the way we responded to the tragedy, even though I do believe that there's a very important place for morbid humor as a therapeutic device. It sounds selfish because, like, "What therapy? Did you know him? Were you close?" But I can't ignore how I feel - that I respect Williams' legacy, but I and some friends help each other feel better about his passing through comedy. But not a one of us would consider harassing the loving family! It's so loving unacceptable and all it does is make me feel such tremendous pity for the family that they have to deal with that, but also shame as I'm reminded that the only thing separating me from the dregs of humanity is the most basic compunction I can think of.
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Aug 14, 2014 00:33
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Nowadays they don't even use anonymity, check out the social media thread in PFY or god forbid the Freepers thread in D&D. Trust me, I know, I have people like that on my Facebook, it's just usually "gently caress the poor" (which is awful already), not "hope you weren't already feeling awful about your loved one passing".
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Aug 14, 2014 00:34
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This is so much worse after finding out how nice of a guy Williams was 
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Aug 14, 2014 04:22
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So this morning, I watched World's Greatest Dad for the first time. His recent suicide is a powerful lens into the mechanics of the story. No spoilers, but it's an intense exploration of identity, transference, and projection ("I didn't choose to be born," from the son is all Sartre). If you can, check it out on Netflix, they have a whole RW thing going on right now. Then, afterward, compare "Wheatfield with Crows" by Van Gogh. SIA
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Aug 14, 2014 05:27
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Speaking of his movies, how does Toys hold up? I remember watching it as a kid twice and feeling confused as gently caress; maybe it's different as an adult.
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Aug 14, 2014 05:39
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I'm rewatching Hook right now, after not having seen it for years. Maggie Smith killing it as Wendy at the start. Also, why didn't Moira go with Peter? She's Wendy's granddaughter, they're her children too, she should be part of the adventure too. Man, Robin Williams is great. 
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Aug 14, 2014 05:51
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Death To Smoochy is my favourite Robin William's movie and man, the part where his character nearly kills himself is now pretty hard to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAN17rMMpe0
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Aug 14, 2014 06:05
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm rewatching Hook right now, after not having seen it for years. Maggie Smith killing it as Wendy at the start. Also, why didn't Moira go with Peter? She's Wendy's granddaughter, they're her children too, she should be part of the adventure too. We don't really have any evidence that Moira actually believed in Neverland the way Wendy and Peter did, or that she had ever visited Neverland herself. After all, Peter met Moira right at the moment he decided to leave Neverland behind. Thematically, I think Moira represented Peter's anchor to the real world, his motivation for forswearing eternal childhood and continuing on as Peter Banning. He said he stayed in the real world because he wanted to become a father, but his first gaze on Moira sparked that feeling in him in the first place. Also, Peter didn't exactly go to Neverland on his own terms. Tink more-or-less press-ganged him into it without giving him time to pack.
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Aug 14, 2014 06:15
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people see anonymity as an excuse to show that they're completely inhuman. Because that is such an easy ( and cowardly ) thing to do. But what those people forget is, and let me quote this; "with freedom comes great responsibility". On the internet you have the freedom to be whoever you want - you are not limited by social stigmas or have to suffer from shyness. Some people secretly want to be jerks, I guess, and there isn't an easier place to fulfil those fantasies than the internet. I am all in for this social equalizer, but this right here is the dark side of it. People forget cause and effect, they forget responsible behaviour. You'd never go up to Zelda Williams in real life and say to her something like "your dad is dead, haha, oh and did you know that I hated most of his movies? Here's a picture I drew of his corpse". Why? Because you'd be afraid to - you wouldn't want to face the immediate consequences of this action. Thanks to the internet, you don't have to. You can write a stupid, hateful thing, log off and go on with your day. But if you do that, then gently caress you.
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Aug 14, 2014 07:24
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Abusive sociopaths get tired of putting on a human face all the time IRL, so they use online harassment as a masturbatory outlet.
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Aug 14, 2014 08:13
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So I worked with Robin on two movies, finding out about this was heart breaking. He was one of the single most amazing people I've ever worked with, especially in front of the camera. He'd make it a point to get to know everyone from the bottom up, without exception. His philosophy was simply that he was never better than anyone there and we were all in it together. Any day that he was on set invariably ended with a huge amount of impromptu standup mini shows and lots of laughs (he liked "mocking" me because I'm from Holland so I got a lot of funny accents thrown my way as he was always trying to figure out what a Dutch accent sounded like). I don't think I've ever heard a bad thing said about him in the industry. I'm happy that the majority of the responses to this story are so heartwarming and loving, it's just a real shame that there's always a vocal minority of assholes who will try anything to get attention out of this and use this for their own little, petty, agenda. From this site (the horrible GBS thread), to twitter, to wherever. It's frustrating, disrespectful, and just plain hateful. I'll never understand why some people are just in such a hurry to show others how cool they are for not caring. I feel awful for his daughter in particular, imagine having your father die and people you don't even know suddenly start sending you that crap, it's absolutely inhuman. People die every day, and that's incredibly sad but it is life. I can't mourn all of them. I can, however, mourn someone who has actually touched my life in some way. Whether that is from knowing them or from the joy they brought me through movies or the things they taught me. The world is a little bit darker now without him and I think I should be allowed to feel sad about that.
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I just watched Patch Adams again and holy hell that movie just hits a little too close to this recent tragedy. Completely forgot some of the scenes since I haven't watched it in forever. Tough movie to get through.
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