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imagine the future when robots keep around humans only to shitpost... your № of empty quotes determines your lifespan...
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a hole-y ghost posted:imagine the future when robots keep around humans only to shitpost... your № of empty quotes determines your lifespan... p. sure that was a Justin Timberlake movie
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Aug 15, 2014 00:04
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SniperWoreConverse posted:I like that artificial brain thing they had some good ideas about how to do it. cyber-rat's thoughts: why can't I hear or smell or see or feel anything oh god I'm trapped in a suffocating void of nothingness this is a living hell gj scientists, always inventing new ways to torture rats
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Aug 15, 2014 00:05
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a hole-y ghost posted:besides, to compare to something more like beetles: take an ant. a single ant does not know how to build an entire colony. it only knows its role. but a colony of ants can build a sprawling colony in the optimal location and systematically construct self-repairing trails to food and prey which learn to avoid predators and hazards. it's an undeniable truth that there is a ceiling to how much creativity humanity can crowd-source. after the biosphere and civilization, the human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. if you can name an entity nearly as complex as the human brain that we have "solved" i'll be ready to believe in the omnificence of man
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Aug 15, 2014 00:17
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butplug accident posted:it's an undeniable truth that there is a ceiling to how much creativity humanity can crowd-source. after the biosphere and civilization, the human brain is the most complex structure in the known universe. if you can name an entity nearly as complex as the human brain that we have "solved" i'll be ready to believe in the omnificence of man so what you're saying is that we will never fully understand the brain or be able to emulate it? generally the naysayers when it comes to technology are wrong. as long as there aren't any natural laws preventing us from simulating a brain (there aren't) i see no reason why we shouldn't be able to do it given enough technology.
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Aug 15, 2014 00:30
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Mulefisk posted:so what you're saying is that we will never fully understand the brain or be able to emulate it? generally the naysayers when it comes to technology are wrong. as long as there aren't any natural laws preventing us from simulating a brain (there aren't) i see no reason why we shouldn't be able to do it given enough technology. We don't need to emulate a full brain The tasks that we're talking about are already easily automated. There's a loving robot flipping burgers out there, right now. Same robot looks like he's folding shirts and other poo poo Accountants easily replaced by some software, IRS auditors can probably be replaced easily with more software, doctors will be replaced by a computer who will probably not arrive to work loving high on self prescribed pills or drunk like Dr. House, lawyers will get one of those Lawyerin' robots instead of hiring 20 interns to read a million mind numbing emails, Retail workers are already being tested vs self checkout lanes, drivers of any kind are gonna die too, etc. Eventually all businesses that will be left will be guys who repair the robots when they break down, but since you already have a loving 3d Printer that prints other 3d Printers, that won't last forever either We thought nobody could beat the mighty chess player russian and that was back in the 90's we're hosed, we're hosed! Get out now! Sell, sell, sell!
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Aug 15, 2014 00:50
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if anyone of us could actually correctly predict the future of human technological progress we would be making billions on the stock market and loving models in the bahamas, not posting about it on forums
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Aug 15, 2014 00:50
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Mulefisk posted:so what you're saying is that we will never fully understand the brain or be able to emulate it? generally the naysayers when it comes to technology are wrong. as long as there aren't any natural laws preventing us from simulating a brain (there aren't) i see no reason why we shouldn't be able to do it given enough technology. i'm saying we'll only be able to create AI that learns like a human when our human faculties are so unrecognizably complex that the existence of human AI would have no important practical consequence on society anyway. it is hyper specialized robots that are the future and which will inevitably supplant workers
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Aug 15, 2014 00:53
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butplug accident posted:i'm saying we'll only be able to create AI that learns like a human when our human faculties are so unrecognizably complex that the existence of human AI would have no important practical consequence on society anyway. it is hyper specialized robots that are the future and which will inevitably supplant workers yeah so what the hell are we going to do once that happens
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Aug 15, 2014 00:54
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babypolis posted:yeah so what the hell are we going to do once that happens hope you die before the domestication of the human race is complete
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Aug 15, 2014 00:57
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im imagining an army of undying securibots keeping post-historic tribes out of zucotti park
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Aug 15, 2014 01:45
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Bolian Blues posted:cyber-rat's thoughts: why can't I hear or smell or see or feel anything oh god I'm trapped in a suffocating void of nothingness this is a living hell obviously it was just having a happy dream about cheese an loving other rats huskarl_marx posted:im imagining an army of undying securibots keeping post-historic tribes out of zucotti park i read some story outta the old weird tales where there was this robot society with mythical rumors about creepy animal people. They were like normal metal people, right, but get this -- made out of meat. The only way to injure them is with a wooden stick or spear, their mystical organic bodies are impervious to metal implements of all kinds. You can hear them, sometimes, in the wilds of the world. Late at night, in the furthest desert reaches or in the deepest jungles. The creepiest part, the sounds they make are almost like... speech.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:05
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SniperWoreConverse posted:i read some story outta the old weird tales where there was this robot society with mythical rumors about creepy animal people. They were like normal metal people, right, but get this -- made out of meat. The only way to injure them is with a wooden stick or spear, their mystical organic bodies are impervious to metal implements of all kinds. You can hear them, sometimes, in the wilds of the world. Late at night, in the furthest desert reaches or in the deepest jungles. The creepiest part, the sounds they make are almost like... speech. what was it called?
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Aug 15, 2014 04:08
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Morkyz posted:what was it called?
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Aug 15, 2014 04:13
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a hole-y ghost posted:your mothers life story i;m offended
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Aug 15, 2014 04:13
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SniperWoreConverse posted:
I didn't, because readin is for faggets
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Aug 15, 2014 04:22
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I wish a robot would replace the guy talking. What a lovely stupid voice. gently caress him.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:32
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SniperWoreConverse posted:i read some story outta the old weird tales where there was this robot society with mythical rumors about creepy animal people. They were like normal metal people, right, but get this -- made out of meat. The only way to injure them is with a wooden stick or spear, their mystical organic bodies are impervious to metal implements of all kinds. You can hear them, sometimes, in the wilds of the world. Late at night, in the furthest desert reaches or in the deepest jungles. The creepiest part, the sounds they make are almost like... speech. That sounds awesome, reminds me of They're Made Out of Meat.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:39
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SA Forums Robot took my job, burn Lowtax the filthy robophile! Also emulating the human mind is probably a way off, but there have been some pretty interesting papers written on how the processing power of computers is beginning to rival that of the human brain. I remember reading one paper about how roughly $1000 dollars in today's money (or whenever the paper was written) will be able to buy a computer with approximately the same parallel processing power as the human brain in 2025. Imagine what 2025 is going to be like. Some nerd is gonna 3d print out some poor fuckdoll, pop that robobrain in there, wire it up to some speakers and poo poo and just let rip. 2025 is gonna be the first year for robot murder-suicides.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:40
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Morkyz posted:what was it called? Dunno it was in one of the "Best of Weird Tales" anthologies that came out, but I'm not sure what one. It's either "Weird Tales: The Magazine That Never Dies" (the one with a dude & smoke monster cover) or "Best of Weird Tales" (green tentacle alien cover). I can't even find tables of contents don't go to weird tales website. The current owners are actually some kind of hosed up scam people with malignant links but also their site gets hacked all the time. As far as I know it's literally impossible to subscribe to the currently produced mag. I guess they were ripping off writers and all kinda poo poo, it's a shame I would subscribe to a print magazine in the digital age if it wasn't some bullshit. Don Tacorleone posted:I didn't, because readin is for faggets 
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Aug 15, 2014 04:44
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Buck Turgidson posted:SA Forums Robot took my job, burn Lowtax the filthy robophile! in some ways the 'processing power of computers' are vastly more powerful than the human brain, such as in crunching numbers and whatnot which is why computers are used for computer programs. but hardware is not the issue, it is our ability to design a human mind that can understand actual concepts, store memories, understand and form sentences, have emotional responses to events, that sort of thing. and we have basically gotten absolutely nothing done in this respect.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:59
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Kyrie eleison posted:in some ways the 'processing power of computers' are vastly more powerful than the human brain, such as in crunching numbers and whatnot which is why computers are used for computer programs. Counter-argument: Science pushes boundaries.
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Aug 15, 2014 05:11
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Why do we need to build robots at all? Just make sweet technology that augments humans in productive ways (like, say, a version of Google Glass that isn't lame - or make an exo skeleton to replace a forklift, etc). It seems easier to improve us with technology than to go off trying to produce the mythic AI that is as smart as we are.
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Aug 15, 2014 05:36
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Why do we need to build robots at all? Just make sweet technology that augments humans in productive ways (like, say, a version of Google Glass that isn't lame - or make an exo skeleton to replace a forklift, etc). It seems easier to improve us with technology than to go off trying to produce the mythic AI that is as smart as we are. because humans are loving annoying destructive unreasonable idiot divas that can be replaced with some gears and visual basic
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Aug 15, 2014 05:41
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Why do we need to build robots at all? Just make sweet technology that augments humans in productive ways (like, say, a version of Google Glass that isn't lame - or make an exo skeleton to replace a forklift, etc). It seems easier to improve us with technology than to go off trying to produce the mythic AI that is as smart as we are. Yeah bro um people have been doing this for thousands of years. Heard of this sweet tech called 'clothing'?
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Aug 15, 2014 05:45
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Kyrie eleison posted:in some ways the 'processing power of computers' are vastly more powerful than the human brain, such as in crunching numbers and whatnot which is why computers are used for computer programs. Dude a big part of it is hardware. The reason it's so hard for people to do math quick or find the 70,000th prime or whatever is because our brains also have to run a whole goddamn body at the same time. To match the whole human brain you'd need an insane giant supercomputer the size of a stadium, gently caress what a whore to even just power the thing on. If they made it from rat neurons to whole ratbrain to whole catbrain, there's a pretty good chance they'll make it up to whole peoplebrain and then what, what the gently caress then. Those computer people'll be real rear end people. They would count as people and be alive. They would have souls eleison, they would have motherfucking souls.
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Aug 15, 2014 05:46
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Dude a big part of it is hardware. The reason it's so hard for people to do math quick or find the 70,000th prime or whatever is because our brains also have to run a whole goddamn body at the same time. To match the whole human brain you'd need an insane giant supercomputer the size of a stadium, gently caress what a whore to even just power the thing on. and worse, they would wamnt the vote. i say, gently caress the robot people vote. we dont need it
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Aug 15, 2014 05:57
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when enough people are out of work kids will stay home in the tent with them and watch school on stolen ipads. endless summer. good times.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:02
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Aug 15, 2014 06:10
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Frostwerks posted:and worse, they would wamnt the vote. i say, gently caress the robot people vote. we dont need it Vote TruthBot for prez!* *black and white image of truth bot* what's he hiding vote effect-or to get thing done I'm goddamn sick of these cyber commercials
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Aug 15, 2014 06:11
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i would go "all the way" with a sex robot
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Aug 15, 2014 06:21
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butplug accident posted:4. THE DELTAS: This set-up will engender its own contradictions class societies always do. Bill Gates to the contrary notwithstanding, frictionless capitalism is an oxymoron. There'll be plenty of potholes on the information superhighway. Every class will contribute a portion of drop-outs, deviants and dissidents. Some will rebel from principle, some from pathology, some from both. And their rebellion will be functional as long as it doesn't get out of hand. The Deltas, the recalcitrants and unassimilables, will furnish work for the Betas and tabloid-type entertainment for the Gammas. In an ever more boring, predictable world, crazies and criminals will provide the zest, the risk, the mystery which the consciousness industry is increasingly inadequate to simulate. VR, morphing, computer graphics -- all very impressive, for awhile, but there's nothing like a whiff of fear, the scent of real blood, like the spectacles nobody did better than the Romans and the Aztecs. The show they call "America's Most Wanted" -- that's a double entrendre. Societies don't necessarily get, as some say, the criminals they deserve, but nowadays they get the criminals they want. Sounds great, so when can i start?
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Aug 15, 2014 06:26
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toggle posted:i would go "all the way" with a sex robot the sex robots in almost human were loving sexy as poo poo i would too
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Aug 15, 2014 06:36
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i mean they were played by super hot weomne so... yeah
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Aug 15, 2014 06:37
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Can horses do accounting huh? huh? Then it cannot take my job.
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Aug 15, 2014 06:38
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Dude a big part of it is hardware. The reason it's so hard for people to do math quick or find the 70,000th prime or whatever is because our brains also have to run a whole goddamn body at the same time. To match the whole human brain you'd need an insane giant supercomputer the size of a stadium, gently caress what a whore to even just power the thing on. but yeah, there is definitely a hardware limitation. simulating a human brain on a traditional high voltage CPU would be ridiculous. e: so what I was getting at is that a human brain dedicated to just doing math would still not be as quick or accurate as a traditional CPU
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Aug 15, 2014 07:24
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THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!
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Aug 15, 2014 07:32
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a hole-y ghost posted:kind of but not really. it's because neurons don't have as large of a difference between the threshold of "on" and "off," therefore they require much less energy than a traditional CPU, which uses a beastly amount of energy per transistor, however because there is less ambiguity present due to the large difference between the voltages of a 0 and a 1, much more accurate calculation is possible on a traditional CPU because of the relative lack of accidental firings. energy is seriously not the problem. it's not like we've got a really great AI programmed but oh, standard binary processors aren't good enough. the opposite is true. we have massive hardware capabilities, today, but no software that can create an AI.
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Aug 15, 2014 07:36
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makes for some rad marketing tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30x4wfphTuE
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Kyrie eleison posted:energy is seriously not the problem. it's not like we've got a really great AI programmed but oh, standard binary processors aren't good enough. the opposite is true. we have massive hardware capabilities, today, but no software that can create an AI.
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