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Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


FishFood posted:

So, what is it that makes Scum Y-wings so much more attractive than Rebel ones? Is it all that Unhinged astromech? Are R2 units that much worse?
It's a combination of unhinged astromechs, R4 Agromechs and a really good elite pilot with native EPT. Unhingeds make the Y-Wings really zippy, the agromechs allow you to use blaster turrets really efficiently and Kavil just has a really good pilot skill and has access to EPT. Rebel Y-Wings have much worse astromech choices and you are very limited because none of their elite pilots have a native EPT.

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mellowjournalism
Jul 31, 2004

helllooo
:ninja: e:fb

Yes but also Kavil is a monster and Drea is solid.

The rebel Astros aren't so much worse so much as the scum Astros being loving perfect for Y-wings. Unhinged really makes it a flyable loving ship.



That said, they don't get access to these shenanigans...

Gold Squadron + BTL-A4 + R3-A2 + Ion Cannon Turret

If you can park behind somebody slow you can just escort em politely off the board :)

Cobbsprite
May 6, 2012

Threatening stuffed animals for fun and profit.

Lemon Curdistan posted:

Yes. Specifically, Unhinged Astromech and R4 Agromech are what make them good.

That Unhinged Astromech is ungodly awesome. The Agromech has it's place and it's useful, but the Unhinged Astromech just completely changes how Y-things play. Turns that bus into a ... okay, turns it into a station wagon.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Re: Interceptors, they're powerful if employed right but fragile as glass if you don't, so it's a ship that in my experience only shines once you've got some chops pushing little plastic spaceships around. The first couple of games I used them I basically got chumped, it's only lately that I've been able to fly them with anything resembling competence. I agree that a Wang veteran playing tricked out high PS Interceptors versus a raw newbie would be a dick move, but so would a lot of things at that stage. I only broke them out yesterday because the guy I was playing, while new-ish, wasn't totally green and he wanted to see the sorts of stuff he might go up against at a tournament, plus if he wants to run some sort of Falcon + 1 build then he's gotta find out about Autothrusters sooner or later.

Re: Y-Wings, Rebel Y-Wings could definitely use a bit of love, but I think they still have a place in Rebel lists, it's just mainly as a cheap Ion Turret platform instead of an elite ship loaded with extras. The guy I was playing yesterday kept trying to run Horton Salm and the problem is that at this present moment Horton isn't giving very good value for the points. I recommended that he look into picking up like an E-Wing or something instead. When Twin Laser Turret comes out then Horton might be an interesting choice for a Y-Wing sniper. The lack of EPT kind of sucks and the astromech that gives you an EPT is kind of halfhearted patch as far as these things go.

Cobbsprite
May 6, 2012

Threatening stuffed animals for fun and profit.
Kavil is going to be loads of fun once Twin Laser Turret is on deck. He won't be getting extra damage with it, but he's drat-sure going to be getting a hit with each shot.

mellowjournalism
Jul 31, 2004

helllooo
So I'm at a Spring Kit tournament and the organizer read all our lists and then chose his list

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

yellowjournalism posted:

So I'm at a Spring Kit tournament and the organizer read all our lists and then chose his list

Maybe talk to FFG? I dunno if there's anything they can do about it though.

Reynold
Feb 14, 2012

Suffer not the unclean to live.

yellowjournalism posted:

So I'm at a Spring Kit tournament and the organizer read all our lists and then chose his list

Organizer is a douche, not much you can do since this is his event. Last spring kit tourney I was at, a dude showed up with two lists, and only selected which one he would use after he saw what everyone else was running, and nobody said poo poo. Being the newest person in the group, I didn't bother speaking up about it either. It's lovely, but them's the nerd games. Come to think of it, there were a few people that had what looked like multiple lists ready, who gave the people who had set their lists or ships down on the tables already a good hard look before they wrote up their squadron and started getting things out of their bags.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Reynold posted:

Organizer is a douche, not much you can do since this is his event. Last spring kit tourney I was at, a dude showed up with two lists, and only selected which one he would use after he saw what everyone else was running, and nobody said poo poo. Being the newest person in the group, I didn't bother speaking up about it either. It's lovely, but them's the nerd games. Come to think of it, there were a few people that had what looked like multiple lists ready, who gave the people who had set their lists or ships down on the tables already a good hard look before they wrote up their squadron and started getting things out of their bags.
Most of the people in our regional didn't get their stuff out until the registration was over. I didn't care that much and anyway, it's quite difficult to counter the lists of 56 other people.

Reynold
Feb 14, 2012

Suffer not the unclean to live.

Tekopo posted:

Most of the people in our regional didn't get their stuff out until the registration was over. I didn't care that much and anyway, it's quite difficult to counter the lists of 56 other people.

True enough, but when you show up to a small time tourney with 6 people at it, it seems a bit more unfair. Guess I'll be a bit more wary next time if it bothers me so.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Yeah that's understandable. It's why I didn't go for 3 intie lists though, because you have really bad matchups and it's generally better to have a list that can do well against all sort of enemy lists.

MRLOLAST
May 9, 2013
Should I get another shuttle? I mean with cannon ,gunner and engine upgrade they are pretty beefy. And then add fire control system or sensor jammers and they are like uber B-wings. ..maybe I should get 2 more.. One for Vader as well. Are 3 shuttles a thing?

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Advanced Sensors and EU on a shuttle are pretty funny.

MRLOLAST
May 9, 2013
To bad they can't get ept. Expert handling would have been funny =)

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
So tell me about Fat Han. The guy I flew against the other day really wants to do a YT-1300 plus one other since he doesn't have a wide array of ships to draw on and I'd like to maybe give him some advice on stuff to pick. I mean, even I can tell that he doesn't want a Y-Wing for a second ship. I've heard that some people get good results out of a Falcon and an E-Wing, is that a decent combo?

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I was thinking of trying two low-skilled bare B-wings with mine. I like 1 large ship, 2 small ship setups. Fat Han doesn't give you much room for other ships though.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

BattleMaster posted:

I was thinking of trying two low-skilled bare B-wings with mine. I like 1 large ship, 2 small ship setups. Fat Han doesn't give you much room for other ships though.

Yeah, another guy at the game store I go to was talking about doing this but as cheap as B-Wings are (relatively) you can't really squeeze two of them plus a Falcon into a list with much room to spare. I'd rather run one really solid B-Wing plus a Falcon if I were to try that. Like, even a mildly tricked-out Han Solo doesn't give you room to take two Blue Squadron pilots, but with Keyan Farlander you have points to spare.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Kai Tave posted:

So tell me about Fat Han. The guy I flew against the other day really wants to do a YT-1300 plus one other since he doesn't have a wide array of ships to draw on and I'd like to maybe give him some advice on stuff to pick. I mean, even I can tell that he doesn't want a Y-Wing for a second ship. I've heard that some people get good results out of a Falcon and an E-Wing, is that a decent combo?

The essentials: engine upgrade, C3PO, and the falcon title. This allows it to shrug off one full attack per turn. The options: predator or VI, R2 or gunner. Depends on how defensive or aggressive you want to be.

E-wing (Corran) is fine and murders other fat Han lists and, with VI, also murders barons, IG, and phantoms. My problem with it is the lack of barrel roll and the glass cannon. It also struggles to kill 4BZ and decimator compared to the z95 escort. Nothing's perfect of course but I'd rather the weakness to arc dodgers cuz Han is there. These are just considerations for tournament play but it is a good list. B-wing is also a decent choice but the problem is the discrepancy between the dials since the b-wing won't survive on its own.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
When you say lack of barrel roll what do you mean? Because the E-Wing does come with it.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Sorry, boost. One of my gripes with it is that you can't install auto thrusters.

grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.
I have to record the fact that I got slaughtered tonight.

I ran Fett, Kavil and a Binarye against Luke, Biggs and Horton Salm. I tried to focus on Biggs to knock him out early, but ended up taking out Luke and Horton, leaving all my guys lightly damaged against Biggs. It gets whittled down to Biggs knocking out Kavil, the Binarye, me running Fett square into Biggs on the last turn, and then he fills up my remaining damage with a full roll plus the crit that turned up two damage.

So, Biggs murdered my entire side.

mellowjournalism
Jul 31, 2004

helllooo

Kai Tave posted:

Maybe talk to FFG? I dunno if there's anything they can do about it though.

Haha that would require me to care. I just like to gossip

Cobbsprite
May 6, 2012

Threatening stuffed animals for fun and profit.

grassy gnoll posted:

So, Biggs murdered my entire side.

That is the exact opposite of what should ever happen.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011



Average experience since starting yesterday: Dad asks me what every mechanic means then proceeds to wipe the floor with me. :argh:

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

TARDISman posted:

Average experience since starting yesterday: Dad asks me what every mechanic means then proceeds to wipe the floor with me. :argh:

Similar situation, here - my dad's a of the old book-based game Ace of Aces, so he's able to fairly effectively employ his knowledge of that game into X-Wing. :argh:

Also, I've ordered that double-sided Plano case/box, but now I've got to wait weeks for it to get here from the US. Does anyone who has this case (or a similar compartmentalized case too, I suppose) have any photos of how you've set up the interior of it? Since I certainly wouldn't mind getting some ideas about how I should be laying mine out like, while I wait for it to arrive!

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Could you, in theory, just chop the two-sided Plano in half? It's a little unwieldy.

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




I have a small tournament on Monday, and want to come up with a fun list. I kinda want to use a fully kitted out Corran Horn. After adding engine upgrade, PtL, fire control system and R2-D2. That is 48 points, and i want more small ships, rather than running some sort of Falcon. I am thinking B-Wings, and two Blue Squadron Bs leaves me with 8 points.

What would be a good suggestion for the other 8 points? I only have a single advanced sensors, so I can't just add that to each Bwing. Is the mangler cannon worthwhile on Bs, or the ion canon?

I just had a bit of inspiration, maybe 2 Y-Wings with Ion canon turrets. Is there anything that Rebel Y-Wings need to be effective? r2 astromechs maybe?

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Kai Tave posted:

Yeah, another guy at the game store I go to was talking about doing this but as cheap as B-Wings are (relatively) you can't really squeeze two of them plus a Falcon into a list with much room to spare. I'd rather run one really solid B-Wing plus a Falcon if I were to try that. Like, even a mildly tricked-out Han Solo doesn't give you room to take two Blue Squadron pilots, but with Keyan Farlander you have points to spare.

I have problems versus Han and Kanye Farlander. B-Wings, from Blue Squadron to the named pilots feel super overpowered now that the players I roll with are starting to recognize that ships potential for damage absorption and fire power.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Orvin posted:

I have a small tournament on Monday, and want to come up with a fun list. I kinda want to use a fully kitted out Corran Horn. After adding engine upgrade, PtL, fire control system and R2-D2.

An interesting combo I noted for Corran Horn is Fire Control System and an R7 Astromech. Attack someone, put a target lock on them, then when they attack you in return you can spend that lock to force them to reroll whatever dice you want.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Kai Tave posted:

An interesting combo I noted for Corran Horn is Fire Control System and an R7 Astromech. Attack someone, put a target lock on them, then when they attack you in return you can spend that lock to force them to reroll whatever dice you want.

Or keep the lock for your second attack.

BOGO LOAD
Jul 1, 2004

"You know I always had trouble really chewing the fat with my pops. Just listen to him..."

Major Isoor posted:

Also, I've ordered that double-sided Plano case/box, but now I've got to wait weeks for it to get here from the US. Does anyone who has this case (or a similar compartmentalized case too, I suppose) have any photos of how you've set up the interior of it? Since I certainly wouldn't mind getting some ideas about how I should be laying mine out like, while I wait for it to arrive!

My collection is by no means "large," but there's certainly plenty of room for expansion. One thing I've done is line some of the compartments with 2mm thick foam and some double-sided tape. It's a pain in the rear end and not the most elegant but the best I could think of.



Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Tacopocalypse posted:

My collection is by no means "large," but there's certainly plenty of room for expansion. One thing I've done is line some of the compartments with 2mm thick foam and some double-sided tape. It's a pain in the rear end and not the most elegant but the best I could think of.





Ah, nice. Also, just thought of another question, after seeing your tokens in the top tray: how well is the cover sealed over the top? Like, does it leave a crack where asteroid/whatever tokens or cards could slide out into another compartment, or is it properly sealed and won't do that?

BOGO LOAD
Jul 1, 2004

"You know I always had trouble really chewing the fat with my pops. Just listen to him..."
It's a tight seal. All the tokens stay in their respective compartments.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

General Battuta posted:

Could you, in theory, just chop the two-sided Plano in half? It's a little unwieldy.

Yes but you'd lose the easy carry tuck away handle that slides in between the two halves. If you don't care about that, saw or whatever away.

AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 31, 2015

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Out of all the Rebel ships that can use ion cannons is therebome that works better over another? Would running 2 of them be a bit much? I don't have a particular list in mind yet but I'm a big fan of annoying the other player as they drive off the edge of space from being poked to death

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

Tekopo posted:

It's a combination of unhinged astromechs, R4 Agromechs and a really good elite pilot with native EPT. Unhingeds make the Y-Wings really zippy, the agromechs allow you to use blaster turrets really efficiently and Kavil just has a really good pilot skill and has access to EPT. Rebel Y-Wings have much worse astromech choices and you are very limited because none of their elite pilots have a native EPT.

I just started playing and was wondering.

If I get the Most Wanted can I use some of the Y-wing upgrades on my rebel Y-wings? Like the astromechs and stuff. Wondering before I drop the $30.

Tekopo
Oct 24, 2008

When you see it, you'll shit yourself.


Floppychop posted:

I just started playing and was wondering.

If I get the Most Wanted can I use some of the Y-wing upgrades on my rebel Y-wings? Like the astromechs and stuff. Wondering before I drop the $30.
The only things you can use is the BTL title (which allows you to double tap with your turret + primary but locks your turret to front arc only) and bomb payload (which allows you to carry bomb on a Y-Wing). All the new astremechs are locked to the scum faction.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

For some reason I'm infatuated with TIE Bombers and want to make them work, somehow. I came up with this list. The idea is to use the bomber's missiles to immediately take out one of the enemies. I've yet to try it, but I feel like it would work pretty well against two or three ship lineups.

Scimitar Squadron Pilot w/ concussion missiles
Scimitar Squadron Pilot w/ homing missiles

Howlrunner w/ Targeting Computer and Push the Limit
3x Academy Pilots

Obviously if I roll badly on the two missiles I'm kind of boned.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Tekopo posted:

The only things you can use is the BTL title (which allows you to double tap with your turret + primary but locks your turret to front arc only) and bomb payload (which allows you to carry bomb on a Y-Wing). All the new astremechs are locked to the scum faction.

There's also autoblaster turret but I don't know if that's worth it outside of Kavil the scum pilot. Most Wanted is probably worth it just for the models and the non-scum cards though, and if you want to roll with just Y-wings Scum can't be beat.

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Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

BattleMaster posted:

There's also autoblaster turret but I don't know if that's worth it outside of Kavil the scum pilot. Most Wanted is probably worth it just for the models and the non-scum cards though, and if you want to roll with just Y-wings Scum can't be beat.

I'm guessing Scum Y-wing aren't sold outside of the Most Wanted box though.

I know you can use rebel Y-wings in Scum as long as they have the correct inserts and cards. The question is, how many Y-wings could I fly using just the contents of a single Most Wanted box?

(I have had an unhealthy love of Y-wings since I was a child. If I could fly a squad of mostly Y-wings I would be in love)

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