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You know what would resolve the Amacita/Abrogate issue? Husbando 
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Tell him everything Hope it's not too late to vote!
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Oct 18, 2015 20:43
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Full disclose x x x x x, x x x x x, x x Ark sniper plc tran deadmeat5150 paragon volmarias grognan randompaul vansandman lord twin holly battlebot! and ask athena x x x x x, x x x x x, x x x Nyaa Waci Outrail Xun Swedish gnarl sullat toughy oasx Kinetica hexen sheep dodger hotdog more info mepstein73 I sense... your conflict...
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Oct 18, 2015 21:21
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SOL: Julian Constantine In the weeks since Ohone's return live fire exercise deaths aboard the Beast had tripled. This wasn't reported to the council of the Domine Rex but it was noted by a minor noble looking to make a name for himself. One of the Beasts most available tribunes was put to the task of finding out the cause. Julian Constantine was given twelve hours to conduct an investigation and present the results of it. At the tenth hour there was a knock at his door. It was Amacita. "Greetings Domine Rex Amacita." "Greetings Commissar Constantine. I understand you're conducting an investigation?" "Yes I am, I wasn't aware that it was for the Domine Rex. I apologize, I haven't finished the report to my satisfaction. I can say with certainty that the spike in live fire deaths is not due to weapons defects, mask defects, training deficiencies, or sabotage. The deceased are almost exclusively Abrogates and the most likely cause for these deaths is a combination of carelessness or suicide, but..." Amacita appeared nervous about the revelations. "I'm sorry, can we continue this conversation inside your quarters?" Julian stepped aside revealing a room that was meticulously tidy save for the area immediately around his desk. It was strewn with beverage containers, and five different data slates. There were also printouts, dozens of them taped to a metal wall. Why not just use one data slate? Why use paper? Once the door closed behind them Amacita spoke again, her pitch rising high. "Um, you said the Abrogates might commit suicide, could you please explain?" "I'm sorry to say this, but they do commit suicide. And over the course of this year known Abrogate suicides rose from 63 per month to...we'll probably reach 210 by the end of the month. I suspect a few possible causes." Amacita went silent and the color drained from her face. She took a few deep breaths. Julian took a deep breath himself. She broke the silence. "Please share them." "I need to make something clear before I begin. We treat the Abrogates like the Krieg but there are key differences. The Krieg have been indoctrinated since birth. The Krieg have better accuracy and lower accident rates. And homicide or suicide by Krieg is virtually unheard of: it may as well be zero casualties per division per year. Perhaps the Abrogates are dissatisfied with their lives. Maybe they see no future for themselves. Or they might want to return to the way their lives used to be before becoming an Abrogate. It's possible that they feel like they can't live up to the expectations of being an Abrogate. Or there could be an external prompt: like some sort of contagious ailment." "Your conclusions and theories are..." Amacita paused to find the right word, long enough for an interjection by Julian "Are still preliminary. I still need to compare Abrogate industrial accident rates to suicide and homicide rates." "We're going to need you to expand the scope of this investigation into the general health and well being of the Abrogates. Once you've concluded this new investigation we expect classified reports for ourselves. You have one week." "Of course, I understand. thank you Domine Rex." "You're welcome Julian"
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Oct 18, 2015 21:59
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LowellDND posted:I sense... your conflict... Wouldn't it make more sense to split the Athena and Battlebods to seperate votes? Its not exactly a related issue.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:21
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Slice of Life: Brother Bricellus, Black Priest of Fabiyan Friar Tomas knocked on the large, carved diorite door of the office Bricellus uses at the Cathedral. "Your Grace, as you instructed I have assembled the report you requested regarding attendance of Abrogate services, remedial training camps, confessionals, both formal and informal requests to the clergy for psychological assistance and the number of funerary dispensations made within the requested timeframe." The small, bookish man pushed his grubby spectacles up his nose for the tenth time since he walked into the Cathedral of Fabiyan The Resurrector and handed Bricellus a dataslate and a stack of papers. From the way he blinked and rubbed his face he had clearly been working on this for at least two days without sleep. "Shall I dispatch the material by messenger?" Fabiyan lifted a gloved hand and shook his head slowly as he thumbed through page after page on the slate in his other. "No, this information is too important to risk discovery or loss and is hereby classified. Report for conditioning with the Magos for a memory scrub immediately and return to your studies. I shall deliver this to Julian myself."
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Oct 18, 2015 22:35
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I'll vote more info AND ask Athena. Ha!
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Oct 18, 2015 22:46
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Full disclosure This guy is much, much, much smarter than us.
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Oct 18, 2015 23:19
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Ralith posted:Full disclosure Quoted for truth.
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Oct 18, 2015 23:42
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Ralith posted:Full disclosure
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Oct 19, 2015 00:13
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Ralith posted:Full disclosure
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Oct 19, 2015 00:14
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We've been talking about what to do with the Abrogates as a whole, and the least "Kill them all" idea was: 1) Break them into small, manageable groups so they can be more easily controlled in case of problems. 2) Assign a chaplain, priest, medecia, or other trained specialist to each group. Make sure this person knows how to handle psychological emergencies. 3) Limit or eliminate their military training. Replace the downtime with activities like sports to foster a sense of belonging to a small team of individuals. 4) No more combat rations. Give them choices in what they eat. 5) Individual therapy, probably just an hour a week though because its like 200k people and we only have so many personnel to go around. 6) Give them new assignments that best match their personality, temperaments, etc. Those that can't be reintegrated into society can be shuffled off to service monasteries. The goal is to indoctrinate them that they can choose how they do their duty and how they live their non-working lives. It's like Adult Summer Camp for the mentally traumatized! There'll still need more healing but if things go to plan they'll be less likely to rebel.
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Oct 19, 2015 00:15
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RandomPauI posted:We've been talking about what to do with the Abrogates as a whole, and the least "Kill them all" idea was: 
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Oct 19, 2015 00:20
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So it turns out that one cannot turn human beings into organic robots without severe psychological consequences because they are not in fact robots, what a flippin' shock. We've been spending so much time jerking off about how awesome the Krieg are and how sweet it is to have mindlessly obedient perfect weapons that we kinda overlooked the obvious there, I think.
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Oct 19, 2015 00:30
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Are non-Lowell slices of life canon?
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Oct 19, 2015 00:37
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Most of them are, yeah. The one non-canon one is when we trap some Blood Ravens. Im happy to have people play in my sandbox 
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Oct 19, 2015 00:42
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RandomPauI posted:We've been talking about what to do with the Abrogates as a whole, and the least "Kill them all" idea was: Hey Amacita, go take a long walk off a short crematorium loader, you tzeench worshiper. Why would we every give our loyal, hive-mind guard personal choice. Their function is to serve and die without thought to self. You start giving soldiers autonomy outside of which caliber to shoot at the enemy then the whole "almost robotic like" thing we built falls apart and you get defections, and traitor regiments and the cool "warp-smoothing" effect goes to pot. We almost built a human-powered gellar field out of just faith and discipline. Lets not lose the one really cool, unique thing we built because Amacita planted a seed of discord in the ranks. Purge the ones that are faulty and clone up some fresh soldiers. They are expendable, even more than dregs.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:01
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I think Fabiyan, as that cool and good faith-powered saint of the Imperium, had the right idea with "doing this, so others don't have to." And I think it might be good to try to build that narrative up for the Abrogates. Less death worship and more "our lives are a tool of the Omnissiah."
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Oct 19, 2015 01:35
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Arkanomen posted:Hey Amacita, go take a long walk off a short crematorium loader, you tzeench worshiper. Why would we every give our loyal, hive-mind guard personal choice. Their function is to serve and die without thought to self. You start giving soldiers autonomy outside of which caliber to shoot at the enemy then the whole "almost robotic like" thing we built falls apart and you get defections, and traitor regiments and the cool "warp-smoothing" effect goes to pot. We almost built a human-powered gellar field out of just faith and discipline. Lets not lose the one really cool, unique thing we built because Amacita planted a seed of discord in the ranks. Purge the ones that are faulty and clone up some fresh soldiers. They are expendable, even more than dregs. This guy gets it.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:41
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Arkanomen, the Abrogates are great so long as they're functional. Lowel's brought up that they're starting to fall apart. Mass purges of people who are mentally ill doesn't fix the other people who are mentally ill. What can they do? Well, besides suicide there is a high risk that these people will turn on us. They can see us as oppressors, they can see us as abortions because of our individuality, they can fall under the sway of your choice of demon or cult leader. Regardless, we can't count on their performance anymore.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:51
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Arkanomen posted:Hey Amacita, go take a long walk off a short crematorium loader, you tzeench worshiper. Why would we every give our loyal, hive-mind guard personal choice. Their function is to serve and die without thought to self. You start giving soldiers autonomy outside of which caliber to shoot at the enemy then the whole "almost robotic like" thing we built falls apart and you get defections, and traitor regiments and the cool "warp-smoothing" effect goes to pot. We almost built a human-powered gellar field out of just faith and discipline. Lets not lose the one really cool, unique thing we built because Amacita planted a seed of discord in the ranks. Purge the ones that are faulty and clone up some fresh soldiers. They are expendable, even more than dregs. What was proposed is not so much about breaking Abrogate conditioning and babying people, which would destroy the Abrogate experiment entirely. It's more like a means of transitioning adult human minds into an extremist cult of asceticism and sacrifice the likes of which exists nowhere else. Addressing the suicide problem takes away the potential for unsustainability we talked about last night. But yeah, Amacita's a shifty bitch. poor life choice posted:I think Fabiyan, as that cool and good faith-powered saint of the Imperium, had the right idea with "doing this, so others don't have to." And I think it might be good to try to build that narrative up for the Abrogates. Less death worship and more "our lives are a tool of the Omnissiah." This is exactly it. That's the right mentality. We want a mindset of selflessness and sacrifice where every adherent is capable of laying down their lives without batting an eyelid, not a death cult. Hexenritter fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Oct 19, 2015 01:59
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It's important to realize that the Abrogates are not truly mindless. They have devoted all their thought to an ideology which prizes mindless obedience, which is not quite the same thing. The fact that they remain thinking beings means that they can be - and always have been - capable of at least collective action independent of our direct commands. In fact, if I recall correctly the Abrogates were the one who developed the Abrogates - we didn't have a direct hand in their creation, only in their encouragement. If they are capable of creating an ideology without our hand in it, they are also capable of modifying or developing that ideology without our hand in it - and those developments may take strange and dangerous turns if left unchecked. Much as we would like to believe otherwise, the Abrogates are not a static, timeless, and eternally unchanging thing. They are like any form of social organization in constant flux, adapting and reacting to the world presented to them, even if the evidence of such is not immediately apparent. We can either acknowledge this and attempt to channel their evolution towards safer ends of our choosing, or we can plug our ears and scream in denial while minds we have already deemed inhuman begin to walk further down ever more inhuman roads and come to conclusions ever more disagreeable to us.
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Oct 19, 2015 02:03
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Ensuring that the Abrogate priesthood remain steadfastly opposed to reinterpretation without Divine Mandate (in other words, Husbando or Ohone personally handing such reinterpretation down) could help with that, and the widespread use of propaganda (posters, broadcasts, public acts of devotion, etc) could also.
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Oct 19, 2015 02:26
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It would probably also help to give them something constructive to do to take their minds off philosophy. I propose a competition to see who can fill the most sandbags in 15 minutes! We could have leaderboards and everything.
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Oct 19, 2015 02:42
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This is what happens when your death cult runs out of people to murder. Bring back that one weird sport the ship had with the perfect sphere. Tell them its a full-time dynamic environment training exercise or something.
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Oct 19, 2015 02:43
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paragon1 posted:This is what happens when your death cult runs out of people to murder. Also bring back Death Race
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Oct 19, 2015 02:51
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15:14 vote? Now you are just being contrary. 
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Oct 19, 2015 03:14
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I vote for more Death Races and Space Blood Bowl.
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Oct 19, 2015 03:32
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Space Blood Bowl. B.B. Rodriguez posted:Space Blood Bowl. B.B. Rodriguez posted:Space Blood Bowl. This
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Oct 19, 2015 04:14
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Lets start proposing some ideas for the blood sport and death racing since they're so popular. Here's my proposal for a blood sport that combines Hockey, Soccer, and Football. Two teams face off in variable gravity on a field with hills and dips. There'll be 5 offensive players and 6 defensive players on each side. Offensive players are armed with iron sticks. They try to hit a ball into a goal. They can't touch the ball with their hands. Defensive players are armed with small handheld shields. They can touch the ball but can't score a goal. Players can communicate with each other using helmet comms, but not with anyone else. In all there'll be 40 teams in 2 divisions, with 50 players and 10 reserves per team. Off the field the players are treated well. But attrition on the field and from traumatic brain injuries will still be inevitable.
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Oct 19, 2015 05:08
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paragon1 posted:It would probably also help to give them something constructive to do to take their minds off philosophy. the us army school of thought i see
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Oct 19, 2015 05:11
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Regarding the Abrogates: There are about 200,000 abrogates. There are about 20 abrogate blanks. If we create a blood sports league that can take care of 2,400 this year. If we use the adult summer camp rehab program they'll only be able to treat about 700 every three months. Killing the Abrogates who are wavering might not work because they're in-distinctive to non-abrogates. They also don't talk to non-abrogates in general. It's hard to determine who is faltering if you don't have access to their mind. So, we have 196,880 Abrogates left. We don't know how many have the "What is a Human" thoughts. I don't know, I can't think of something that can be done immediately and effectively to stave off a potential breakdown in authority.
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Oct 19, 2015 05:45
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Look, every death cult goes through some growing pains. Once we get to Golgotha they'll be as happy as murder-clams. We should probably rig the assignments so that Amacita ends up in the first wave of a suicide run, though. You know, Golgotha has suffererd a great deal lately. I'm sure that the Abrogate cult will make some good inroads there. If so, it will be useful to see if we can improve production totals on a world that is run on Abrogate lines.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:05
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Can't we just find some quick war for them to fight? Just locate the nearest tyranid invasion, unload all of the abrogates and tell them to kill the bug people, problem solved. Even if they weren't causing trouble, the abrogates were getting super boring.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:31
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Oasx posted:Can't we just find some quick war for them to fight? Just locate the nearest tyranid invasion, unload all of the abrogates and tell them to kill the bug people, problem solved. To be quite honest, that's why Im encouraging player participation
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Oct 19, 2015 06:47
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You guys aren't thinking like rogue traders. We need to sell them, for their amazing warp-calming properties.
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Oct 19, 2015 07:54
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We could always let some warp Psiders loose in the ship again. Have a good old fashioned bug hunt.
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Oct 19, 2015 08:02
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LowellDND posted:To be quite honest, that's why Im encouraging player participation Crazy future blood sports are way more 40k than boring old wars. 
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Oct 19, 2015 09:04
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Why is anyone killing themselves so very close to holy Terra? Doesn't that go against ask kinds of strictures?
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Volmarias posted:Why is anyone killing themselves so very close to holy Terra? Doesn't that go against ask kinds of strictures? Life is the Emperor's currency. But sometimes, you just gotta treat yourself.
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