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Can we use a statement so vaguely specific it can't be twisted. 'Freeze everything within X AU of Golgotha, you know what I mean, don't twist my words around.'
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If we are afraid she will twist it to use it all over the place, just phrase it like it being a One Time permission thing. I don't care though! Yay Athena! Do whatever you want!
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Feb 13, 2016 20:29
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get hera to appoint fabiyan to the council
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Feb 13, 2016 20:39
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sniper4625 posted:get hera to appoint fabiyan to the council Can't we do that too?
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Feb 13, 2016 21:13
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sullat posted:Can't we do that too? If we can, full steam ahead.
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Feb 13, 2016 21:17
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Get Hera to appoint Ching Shih, not Fabiyan. As much as we love Fabiyan, he's still a part of the Imperial war-machine. If we want any sort of change in the long term, we need to change his view of things.
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Feb 13, 2016 21:37
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Have Hera convert us into a Mind. That way we can be equal to Athena but outside her predations.
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Feb 13, 2016 21:52
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Appoint Devries
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Feb 13, 2016 22:29
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Waci posted:Get Hera to appoint Ching Shih, not Fabiyan. Agree with this
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Feb 13, 2016 22:31
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Consult Hera. I'm getting more and more suspicious of Athena. It worries me that we're already essentially at her mercy and if she does go rogue there's basically nothing we can do to stop her.
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Feb 13, 2016 22:33
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One AI that doesn't like the other, but that in theory (also?) has the interests of humanity somewhere in its cold robot hearts could be a decent balance. Until they squash their beef. 
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Rahul posted:Consult Hera. I'm getting more and more suspicious of Athena. It worries me that we're already essentially at her mercy and if she does go rogue there's basically nothing we can do to stop her. On the one hand, yea, but in the flash forward/preview we just saw Athena was still helping kill off other threats to Humanity (Necrons) so we prooobably don't go right to KILL ALL HUMANS.exe
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Feb 13, 2016 22:55
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Yeah but there was also a future where Ohone was all Eldar'd up and we sprinted away from that'un.
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Current: 435,138 Scalia is dead You kissed him quickly. “Hey, I want to check some of the Magos databanks. Wait for me?” “Of course. I’ll start cleaning up.” “Thanks.” You kissed him again, stepped out of the room. A quick check of the cameras, followed a route where no one was, and you were on one of the observation decks. “Hera.” She appeared next to you, looking at you distastefully. “Councillor.” “You can see that?” “All Minds in service of the Council know when there’s a new appointment.” “You disagree with it?” “I disagree with Athena.” You chuckled despite yourself. “You don’t think I’m the best candidate for the Science position?” “I think it’s a charade. One nomination, one voting citizen. It’s not about you, it’s about authorizing her emergency powers.” “So those are real?” “The Mars restrictions? Yes. Usually the entire Federation would be asked about something like this. You don’t appreciate how big a deal it is, to change the operating protocols.” “How often did it happen?” “‘In all possible speed’?” She considered. “Maybe twice. Once was for fighting the war AIs.” “I see. So you think I should place restrictions on it.” “I don’t think you should authorize it at all. Partly because it’s a sham of democracy, but mostly because this is her trap.” You blinked. “Why would democracy matter? It’s a semi-heretical bit of nonsense.” “You may think that, but a Mind would not. The fact that she is trying to rush this through without the full populace of sophonts shows she’s up to something.” “It would take millennia to get them involved.” “Doesn’t matter. There are principles.” She looked at you distastefully again. “You may, technically, be able to authorize it. But it’s a gross and shameful thing, and she is gross for even considering it.”
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Feb 13, 2016 23:51
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Anyone you want to nominate?
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Once when fighting the war AI's.... When was the other time?
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Outrail posted:Once when fighting the war AI's.... When was the other time? This. Also maybe breach nominating Fabiyan - he'd certainly stick a wrench in Athena's plans, which seems to be what Hera is all about. Please thread, let's recognize the giant red flags. For once. Maybe.
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Feb 14, 2016 00:33
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drat. I learn from Lowell that Scalia is dead. This next election is getting even more important. Imagine Trump putting a guy in the Supreme Court.
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:drat. I learn from Lowell that Scalia is dead. This next election is getting even more important. Imagine Trump putting a guy in the Supreme Court. Most likely there will be 3 Justices appointed in the next 4 1/2 years
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:drat. I learn from Lowell that Scalia is dead. This next election is getting even more important. Imagine Trump putting a guy in the Supreme Court. From the campaign thread: Shakugan posted: Trump's strategy should now be to say that Cruz should be defeated in the primary because he's needed as a Justice on the Supreme Court. It would be beyond concern trolling; I don't even know what you'd call it. Jewel Repetition posted: "You don't have to be able to make deals as a justice. You don't have to be natural born to be a justice. And when you're in law you SUPPOSED to use dirty tricks. I'd nominate him day 1." 
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Feb 14, 2016 01:00
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As an aside, the longest time to fill a vacancy was two years. https://books.google.com/books?id=k...vacancy&f=false
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poo poo. We need to populate the Council with as many reasonable people as possible, then, so she can't manipulate us. also, don't authorize anything. Hera has known her a hell of a lot longer than we have. She's vital to keeping Athena in check. Deities can be malicious and vengeful. See: Old Testament. Don't walk into ANYONE'S traps. Ideally, come up with our own plan with Fabiyan's help. Then give extremely specific commands to Athena and Hera in order to put that plan into action. edit: do we still have the formula for the Tyranid-killing virus? can we order Athena to mass-produce it? cat_herder fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 01:17
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Granting emergency powers to a unilaterally acting figurehead has worked out so well before in other science-fiction franchises!!
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Anticheese posted:Granting emergency powers to a unilaterally acting figurehead has worked out so well before in other science-fiction franchises!!  We must follow the Golden Path
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Bring Ching Shih in as counsel
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meteloides posted:We need to populate the Council with as many reasonable people as possible, then, so she can't manipulate us. One AI, one council member So, Hera would need to nominate one.The virus was specially made for that particular brand of Tyranid. That Magos wasn't totally crazy, so built in a fail-safe. Loel fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 01:38
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And what would you do Hera? I wonder why Athena wants to do a rush job?
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Arkanomen posted:And what would you do Hera? More time to focus on Chaos.
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Current: 435,440 Ominous Foreshadowing “What was the other time?” “Hm?” “The other time the Minds got full Authorization.” If anything, her face twisted even further. “Chronos.” “I’m sorry?” “The Order of Chronos. They had figured out how to change time.” “Wait, no. That’s definitely not possible. I’ve done it myself, I know.” “We thought that too. We were under assault before we even knew there was a war - things changing without us knowing. It took us centuries to even figure out the pattern was slightly off, and centuries more to prove it to the sophonts.” You blinked. “I’ve never heard of this.” Hera showed her teeth. “We erased them. They never were. Never had been.” “So… you are the only one who remembers? No proof, no history books?” “And the other Minds. We undid them, and enforced the strictures of Time on ourselves. Never again.” “Athena says she wants to use temporal engines at Golgotha.” Hera almost growled. “Ask yourself why. Why would she want to break strictures we’ve had in place for twenty millennia?”
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uh yeah, ask Hera to nominate a council member. and recommend people for citizenship
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Feb 14, 2016 01:58
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shiiiiiit poo poo poo poo poo poo. things are not good. continue getting info from Hera and don't do ANYTHING Athena asks. this has "BAD IDEA" written all over it.
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LowellDND posted:Hera almost growled. “Ask yourself why. Why would she want to break strictures we’ve had in place for twenty millennia?” Don't be coy Hera, you tell me. Also cancel all plans to use time manipulation and all current manipulation. Eldar use time tunnels and that didn't work out so go either. No more time fuckery. Unless it's really convenient for us.
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Outrail posted:Don't be coy Hera, you tell me. The Strictures allow 3 seconds, but no more. Just so we're clear
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Feb 14, 2016 02:06
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Emperor drat it Nominate a new council on Hera's recommendation. Subvert Athena.
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ArbitraryTA posted:Emperor drat it Remember, Hera swore to kill Athena  So, she might not be the most reliable source
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Feb 14, 2016 02:10
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Feb 14, 2016 02:11
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Play back or repeat the whole recorded conversation to Hera. Ask her if she can think of any way to salvage the stated premise of the stasis field without giving Athena what she's asking for.
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Feb 14, 2016 02:12
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LowellDND posted:Remember, Hera swore to kill Athena She's roughly agreeing with Fabiyan, good enough for me! 
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Feb 14, 2016 02:13
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Ask Hera to nominate CS. She's pretty moral, smart and has old timey values that are from the good old days that were actually good.
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was Hera active when Ching Shih had control of the ship, or was she uploaded or smth afterwards?
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