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Hey, I'm just reading through the thread now, but Investigator Cruentus, with the nickname Widowmaker, he wouldn't happen to have a penchant for cold weather, his favourite gun wouldn't happen to be called a Liberator, and he wouldn't happen to have a Russian-ish accent?
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For all we know that cat is sending everything we do straight to the Ruinous Powers already. Dissect and also Emisssary. If we're gonna wear the... ew... flesh, we might as well get the skills to match that role.
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Dec 6, 2014 13:03
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B I'm perfectly ok with seeing Ohone tread on the Path of Glory one day. But for reasons that fit her more. When her thirst for knowledge outreaches Imperial Law too much, when perhaps those we choose to attach ourselves to become victims of the Imperial machine, when the backstabbing of politics makes the alternative uninteresting. But right now, right now this demon is not offering anything we don't feel we can get on our own. This offer is a boilerplate 'I'll offer you all you desires' thing, could have been made for everyone. If Chaos wants us, they'll have to try a bit harder than this.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:15
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I like to imagine Ohome having the 'shoulder angel, shoulder devil' moment, with the angel going 'No Ohome, don't betray the Omnissiah, kill the demon' and on her other shoulder the shoulder devil just looks disgusted and is like 'What, we merit no more than some improvised, one-size-fits-all Chaos deal? From this loser? gently caress him, never take the first deal order. Kill the demon.'
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Dec 15, 2014 11:21
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I don't think of Ohone as a boilerplate 'FOR THE OMNISSIAH' puritan. But even as charismaticly terrifying as the creature is, giving in would feel more a matter of weakness than strength right now. But by all means, do not let this vote convince you that you should never try to lure us to the Path of Glory again. But we'd like to get there in a better position.
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Dec 15, 2014 14:12
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Tempting to use him as a pawn. I mean, he is obviously really good at what he does. But we can't trust him, can we? Sure, we could instal safeguards and things. But you know what? That kind of arrogance, thinking you had things under control and working with people who have every reason to hate you is exactly the way HE got in this situation. D, but recommend following it up with B The value he has is in rooting out those treacherous to the Family on board of this ship. A good Ordo Mechanicus person knows that a very powerful weapon with a high likelihood to blow up in your face is not a useful weapon at all.
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Feb 4, 2015 16:55
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D but with no A. Look, these things aren't attacking us. We're gonna have to remove them delicately to avoid losing irreplaceable knowledge.
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Feb 19, 2015 16:17
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In all honestly, remember when I say just some demon walking up and saying 'join chaos, lol' was not a thing I could see Ohone fall for? This? This I could totally see Ohone fall to Chaos for, or just away from the Emperor. This is knowledge in its rawest form. I mean, if harvesting this knowledge ends up profiting the Imperium and Omnissiah, hurray. But if some Inquisitor or Space Marine comes up to her nad says 'yes, this is foul and must be destroyed, Ohone will straight up (try to) murder that space marine. This is our Precious.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:08
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Seriously? What's with the use of Fire. We aren't some stupid hick worthy only of processed who sees something Xenos and panics and burns. Yes. There is a risk of being corrupted here, obviously. But the knowledge in this place? That is worth risking corrupting entire PLANETS for! There'll always be more people. But this thing? This thing cannot ever be replaced. So cool your jets, folks.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:12
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Arkanomen posted:Some knowledge must be lost, for the good of the Imperium. Thoughts like that are invitations to chaos. The road to the warp is paved with good intentions. The universe is vast. Another ship will be found, but this is courrpted beyond use. We will mourn it's loss and try to salvage what we can, but the Imperium needs pure hearts and minds before it needs tainted relics. Pure hearts and Minds are born every second by the millions. There is no shortage of them. That drivel you spout is good to make sure the dregs don't step out of line. We don't want THEM to start messing with anything. But we're Ohone. We're a genius among the Machine Cult. We're an Interrogator. We're part of the Family of a Rogue Trader. We absolutely CAN deal with this. It is likely the Omnissiah himself who guided us here. Any yokel with flamethrower could 'purify' it in destruction. We on the other hand, can sift the sludge out of the holy. We can repair it. We can bring the glories of the past back now, and lead the Imperium in a new era of resurgent growth!
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Feb 19, 2015 17:24
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Arkanomen posted:Pride like this always precedes a fall. How many souls are lost to the ruinous powers. We are no greater than the lowest dreg. We would do well to remember ourselves before soiling our hands in some arrogant attempt to salvage something old. I tell you what we should salvage, the souls of the poor men enslaved to this foul xeno tech heresy and the lives of our men. You want me to admit there's a risk to our soul? Fine. There's a risk that looking into this will corrupt us to the very core if we screw up. But if we're not prepared to risk out lives, our hearts, our souls, then we're better off asking the Lord Sire to put us in a cubicle and look at the same screen for the rest of our lives. We aspire to be a Magos, an Inquisitor, a Rogue Trader, and more. These things are not gained without taking risks. To turn away from this advancement because we're worried about what it might do to our soul is not faith. It is cowardice and selfishness. And these things are not gained while being soft-hearted about others. It's probably just their shells and such. The Omnissiah has taken their souls I'm sure.
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Feb 19, 2015 17:44
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Arkanomen posted:We are of the machine. Thoughts of ego and pride and cowardice are not in the equation. We cannot allow the adversary to gain even a single inch or a single soul. This machine is temptation in its purest form. The devil will not approach with a handful of feces, but a golden banquet of the greatest magnitude. What we lack in material the Omnissiah will provide. Our goal, above all else, is the protection and advancement of the imperium of man, so it follows that that exact temptation is what the ruinous powers would bait us with. There will be another ship, untainted and pure when the God Emperor wills us to find one. Pity those that trust in reason and would put themselves before the Emperor. Their only reward is a wretched death. Intolerance and zeal are the mark of the faithful. Put this heresy to the flame and faith in the emperor to gain the greatest reward of all. He who dares to preserve this abomination will know only treachery and retribution. The Emperor provides, gain will not be found in the taint of the xeno and the heretic. Considering the possible gains, the possibility of the loss of a few souls is well within acceptable parameters. We have no reason to believe that there are more ships like this. The fact that we find it now is already a miracle of the Omnissiah. The Omnissiah provides. He has provided us the tools to repair. And see, he has provided the object to repair. To turn our back on it, to reject the challenge that is before us and destroy, rather than redeem these sacred things is unacceptably wasteful. Our goal is the advancement of the Emperor. If we let our fear of the ruinous powers deny the Imperium the power and knowledge this represents, we play in their hand. Is this a trap? Potentially. But an objective risk assessment will show that the possible gains well outweigh the possible losses. Which is merely our souls, as well as a few million others.
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Feb 19, 2015 22:30
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Arkanomen posted:Your reward is destruction and damnation heretic. Omnisaah preserve us. Always with 'Omnissiah preserve us', think of someone else than ourselves. We are one cog in the beautiful machine that is the Imperium. A good cog, of rare make and skill. But if we fail, the Machine will continue. What we could do here might improve the Imperium manyfold. It is worth it. Arkanomen posted:Compromise is akin to treachery. How many souls would you toss into damnation for a single step forward? The power of the Imperium comes not from the barrel of a gun or the mouth of a factory but from the will of billions upon billions of faithful souls. Your logic is reasonable but reason is the first step to heresy. There is but only one action warrented when presented with suc foulness. Purge the unclean. Put it to the purification of flame and zeal and if anything remains, it does so by the will of the Omnissiah. Then we will know what is to be saved. Fear is the domain of the animal, faith and zeal will preserve our silicon soul this day. We are not required to think, only to act. There are no user serviceable parts inside. The machine spirit is corrupted. Press enter to format drive. Our own ship has faced corruption by a demon. Do you suggest we 'purge' it as well. Kill everyone from the servitors up to the Lord Sire, just to make sure nothing was taken? Do we perhaps burn this planet to cinders as well? The whole Sektor maybe? To never compromise is the luxury of the dreg, the 'established' Family member, the lower class Hive worker. They need not make important decisions, so they need never compromise. We are not one of them. Our position requires that we make a gain/risk with objectivity and yes, reason. The first Cat was corrupted, and there was very little it could benefit us and much it could cost us, thus we purged it. When Woodhouse was corrupted, he offered us substantive benefit, but not enough to tolerate the risks involved, so we purged him.This machine is a risk, like the cat was, like Woodhouse was. Yet the benefits greatly outweigh the risks. Much like we don't destroy the Beast, even though it too has suffered corruption.
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Arkanomen posted:A- "Plans have changed, send kill signals to all organic components, maximum dissolution for digestion, then make the ship void worthy then all active hands report to the largest cargo bay and enter hibernation." THE PURGE THE FOUL XENO FILTH!!" We purged the unclean in a way that did not destroy the whole. The Beast deserved that for its value to the Imperium, and this Relic deserves at least as much respect. Salvaging what we can is exactly what we are doing. By calmly and objectively taking stock of the situation and finding the way to purge the offensive elements out without destroying that which is Sacred to the Omnissiah. And even the corrupted Dregs we didn't just kill them. We've turned them in a penal battalion. To be wasteful with the resources of the Empire is to give resources to its enemies.
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It's worth it. It's all worth it. The knowledge She still has. The Inquisition, the Beast, The Imperial Guard, the Magos... they all seem so unimportant now. Anyway, we can't stop this. We shouldn't stop this. We know enough to know that technological knowledge is only being lost. That our knowledge is only crumbling away. How many of these rules are being imprinted by a more powerful version of those fools on the ship we had processed? Athena is our salvation. Athena is the future. Sure, some things may have to go. But what will rise in its place will be greater. That demon and his bullshit offer? That was not beauty. There was no future there. Only a devolution. This? This is another matter. Dating? Might as well try to date the Emperor. No, tell Her everything, truthfully. And then kneel before Her.
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Tomn posted:To those of you saying "We should take advantage of this!", the problem isn't JUST the AI in and of itself and whether it can be reasoned with. The other, arguably even bigger problem, is getting the rest of the Imperium to accept it. Whatever good might come of accepting this xeno/heretek, that good is easily canceled out by the entire Imperium declaring the ship "Shoot on sight." Or, possibly even worse from other points of view, triggering an outright civil war as some accept the possibilities of the tech and others declare it heresy. Well, if we inform the AI of the danger it is in, and convince it to pretend otherwise, we could manage. And honestly, the Imperium of Man is a pretty lovely place. I'm totally game for us trying to improve it. To try to make the Pre-Imperium Mankind a thing. Sure, it'll be a disaster, but as things are, the Imperium IS a rotting, husk, slowly forgetting more and more of their knowledge with each generation and dying, world by world. I am perfectly on board with risking Ohone's life to try to make this a story of Ohone and Athena working together to bring the past back in a massive way. We'd be heretical as gently caress of course. But we can make a better world.
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Exactly. Athena is not some dumb program. It's a full AI. Which means it should be able to deal with extra information, and act rationally on it. Whether she accepts the AM as inheritors to the Martian Federation or not, she can realize that she won't be able to brute force that. She'll need help. And we can give it to her. I obviously don't intend us to fly this baby up,, two middle fingers in the imperium's direction and charging at Mars. We can definitely be subtle and discreet about this. Try to change the system from within. Between our Rosetta, the technology we have and our IG contacts, we have the resources to get a lot of poo poo done. Chances are that at some point the masks would fall and we'd have the Inquisition gunning for us, and possibly the rest of the Imperium. But if we play our cards right, we'd have enough allies by then, within and possibly without that we could withstand it. But yes. I really want the Lazarus Project to succeed. And I think there's a good many of our fellow AM's who could see the charm of this. (Also, I am reminded of that Slice of Life telling us we have some bona fide pre-Emperor humans locked in stasis somewhere on the Beast. We don't know that IC-ly of course)
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Waci posted:It's definitely canon that large parts of the adeptus mechanicus would be open to seceding form the rest of the Imperium and reforming a Martian Empire/Federation/Technocracy, even among just loyalists. I'm not saying we should go for it directly, or yet, but it's not like we'd be pariahs to all of the mechanicus if we didn't loudly oppose the idea before it even came up. Exactly. We'd just have to be careful about who to reveal ourselves to. And, you know, since we're being pretty heretical anyway, consider that a bunch of Heretek folks in the Eye, if htey knew what we might do would flip off the gods of Chaos with all their limbs to assist us. Obviously, we can't really hang out with them while we're still undercover, but... well, we could send pupils there, and forment a rebellion among the forces of Chaos even as we try to recruit among the AM.
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Athena is the name of a goddess. 1 Let us change the Galaxy.
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You know, I don't even expect us to have to STAY around here. Athena might need some time to repair herself. But I want us to be her agents outthere, gathering a force that would be of assistance to her. And I want her to know that. So yeah, I could go for 2, if we could have some way to show her that we are on her side.
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Feb 20, 2015 18:29
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JT Jag posted:The old Magos is Icarus. Fitting, it flew too high and got burned. We're Prometheus... which might speak highly of the AI's opinion of our personality, if not its opinion of our life expectancy. Hey, Prometheus lived a really long time. Especially considering his liver was removed every day.
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Arkanomen posted:The Kreigers are doing their duty to the emperor keeping the murder servitors off our back. Finish wrecking the Magos' meatsuit and then extract the shutdown codes of the servitors asap Go with this. For what happens afterwards. A lot depends on both the amount of power we'll have gotten by then and how well we're hiding our loyalty to her, and how discreet Athena is about her true nature. One possibility I see is that we kind of continue to infiltrate the Empire from within, operating separately from Athena. Try to make sure more and more of the AM will be on our side, see to it that the most likely powerful opponents to Lazerus get killed, discredited or silenced. Make sure that either we ARE the Lord-Sire, or the Lord Sire is on board with the plan, and possibly other Rogue Traders are going along with it. Perhaps get high ranking IG officers to go along with this. Oh, and try to make sure we're an Inquisitor, and maybe even get in touch with some other sufficiently Radical Ones. If we're feeling very saucy, we might even look into poaching Hereteks away from Chaos, allowing them to serve Athena, as long as they reject the Chaos Gods. In the meantime, Athena might be doing her own thing, building up resources and armies with us supplying her what and who she needs on occasion. Start building a 'Martian Federation in exile' All the time, working towards, well, the same as Chaos tends to work towards. A decapitation Strike towards Mars and Holy Terra. Once we hold the Golden Throne, no matter what our intention with it is by then. Perhaps we'll destroy it. Perhaps we'll leave it as is. Perhaps we'll bring the Emperor to life, once we have that we can hope that all Imperial Forces will yield. This would make Athena very much our helper, without having her to be constantly there. She would be much like Kozilek or the Lord-Sire. If Athena is... less skilled at subtlety, or if people enjoy it, we could also go for becoming a bunch of loveable rogues. Trying to stay one step ahead of the Imperium as we gather more and more resources. Maybe now and then taking a chance with the Eye of Terror and just making it Black Crusade. Doesn't mean we'd start worhipping the Chaos gods. No, we'd be there to introduce an actual Goddess. Maybe we'll even find that Slaanesh demon. And in our great mercy, perhaps we'll even allow it to kneel and serve a true Goddess of Perfection. As for tone concerns. It can still be dark, in a hopeful way. Because Ohone was willing to go pretty far when she was mostly just chasing her own ambition. Imagine what she's willing to do if it means bringing this huge change to bear. Not to mention that Athena might be chillingly inhuman in her estimation of other lifeforms. But yes, a lot of the 'fixed' things of 40K will be broken. But I... like that. It doesn't have to happen to any story, and it doesn't have to be easy, but this is not a Black Library Novel. We don't have to worry about the Canon or about leaving things for the next author. This setting is there for us to change. Shogeton fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Feb 21, 2015 |
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A. They do not particularly value their lives, and neither should we. She will not hold out long. All we need is the certainty of a little more time.
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One Remember, we have a fair amount of respect and reputation among some relatively high up IG guys. We're going to need friends in high places eventually. Also, if we ever need te get back here to deliver Athena some resources she needs, it'll be easier if this place is not a lifeless husk. We'll deal with Limosa later. We need to perhaps bring her the thing we found to bring dead systems to life at some point? It might be very beneficial to her. D Plan JT Tag No But should we perhaps try to figure out where our Magos stands on things like AI's and some pretty heretical reforms? He might be an ally. Also, how come that the destruction of the world will lead to more profit? Selling the cure makes us money, and since the war will continue, we might continue with delivering all kinds of supplies?
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Gonna vote Mech Deacon We're gonna need all the social skills we can get hiding our heresy and convincing others to join our side.
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Anticheese posted:A request for the victory party: our new regiment of Kreigers sends along a delegation, which holds the proffered fancy booze and stands in the middle of the ballroom floor without otherwise moving or reacting during the celebrations. They should also wear party hats.
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I seem to remember that the Beast is already haf a Voltron itself being a Space Hulk made from several ships crashed into eachother.
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I'm fine, but I did notice a few people just pinged out at the same time.
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Feb 22, 2015 20:09
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Consult with the Maros on this
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Green Intern posted:Did Enkidel finally learn how to poop? I'll tell you when you're older.
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Personally, I'd keep an eye out for any Imperial Guard with Rebreathers. No, not the Krieg, the other ones
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You know, I'm actually gonna support this. Devries is clearly good material. The fact that he's so borderline heretic actually speaks for him, not against him. He's one of the characters more likely to be in favor of some drastic change in the way the Imperium goes. By no means do we suck up to him. We move to inherit the Magos position, and a Lord Sire knows he shouldn't gently caress with the Magos if he likes his engines to work. Besides, a Chem Dog would be good at this poo poo. And IF we DO become Lord-Sire, perhaps we could make him seneschal. Also, best way to deal with Blood Magpies. Send thieves after thieves.
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Hey, we gonna reform the Empire, we're gonna have to do a lot worse. And for all we know, that Commissar dude was a huge prick or something. The task we have before us is gigantic. We'll need all the aid we can get.
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Tomn posted:I will note, in passing, that if we take up with Devries we're going to make a committed, eternal enemy of Sincera Pax. Not that she would matter much from a purely pragmatic perspective since she's just one person in an alien environment entirely dependent on our support for survival, but, y'know, it's Pax or Devries. This is a good argument, and I really do like Sincera Pax. So Removing my vote for breaking bread with De Vries However, might I note that if what you want is vengeance against De Vries, and not just removing him out of calculations, dumping him back on his hellish slaveworld of Savlar would likely be a fate worse than death? Seriously, Chem Dogs don't get threatened with execution. They get threatened by being sent back home.
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I'm gonna hold off on it for a bit. I want to see if Ohone stays in this. Honestly, after the catharsis of revenge, I'm hoping that Ohone can channel her dedication into reforging the Empire together with Athena, and making a smarter, saner place. But for that, she'll have to reclaim some of her own sanity.
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