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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


When Fantasy Flight Games picked up the Star Wars gaming license they launched 3 game lines; the X-Wing miniatures, the Edge of the Empire RPG, and the Star Wars LCG. Now, the RPG line has expanded out into 3 core games, each with their own supplements, the X-Wing minis game is on its 5th wave of expansion packs, and the LCG has a good handful of cycle packs and boxed expansions.

But over the last few weeks, and culminating at Gen Con 2014, FFG has been wildly expanding their Star Wars gaming offerings. The big three things we know about now are:


Armada


In a nutshell, Armada is X-Wing writ large. Snubfighters are represented by the squadron using a single game piece and the primary scale of conflict is capital ships.

Using this fancy maneuvering tool, Star Wars Armada aims to accurately represent the lumbering inertia of gigantic capital ships, compared to the nimble banks and turns of snubfighters in X-Wing.

We also got glimpses of the first wave of expansion content for Armada; looks like they're using a similar model to X-Wing.



Empire vs. Rebellion


Empire vs. Rebellion is a more traditional head-to-head card game for two players, pitting the war machine of the Empire against the plucky rag-tag Rebellion using a variety of cards



Imperial Assault


Inspired by the rule-set of Descent, this board game offers two different styles of play, a multi-mission cinematic campaign and head-to-head skirmishes. With loads of miniatures and map tiles, this is gonna be a big one.


Other Links

Star Wars Threads: X-Wing, Star Wars LCG, FFG Star Wars RPG Lines.

Fantasy Flight Games Homepage

jivjov fucked around with this message at Aug 16, 2014 around 03:34

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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Reserved in case I need a second post

alg
Mar 14, 2007

Make a Wish granted: play in the NHL








homullus
Mar 27, 2009



I'm excited about Imperial Assault as a source of minis for the RPG.

alg
Mar 14, 2007

Make a Wish granted: play in the NHL


homullus posted:

I'm excited about Imperial Assault as a source of minis for the RPG.

I was kind of hoping I can use my Star Wars minis from WotC too, but it looks like they might be a little bigger than that. And more goddamn custom dice to go in the bag

ChiTownEddie
Mar 26, 2010

Awesome beer, no pants.
Join the Legion.


homullus posted:

I'm excited about Imperial Assault as a source of minis for the RPG.

The guy who runs our session (which btw is via hangouts) is super excited for this same reason. Also because it sounds fun I suppose.

7thBatallion
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.




Mother of God...

That's a Gladiator. A goddamn Gladiator....
Serving it's proper role as a escort for a Victory I.

They are following the fluff drat near perfectly..

7thBatallion fucked around with this message at Aug 15, 2014 around 19:16

homullus
Mar 27, 2009



ChiTownEddie posted:

The guy who runs our session (which btw is via hangouts) is super excited for this same reason. Also because it sounds fun I suppose.

About the only thing better than the minis would be if FFG released all of their book art online for use in EotE hangouts games.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Regardless of if I collect/play Armada (spoiler: I loving will), I'm getting a Gladiator or two. My favorite underused Star Destroyer design.

7thBatallion
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.



jivjov posted:

Regardless of if I collect/play Armada (spoiler: I loving will), I'm getting a Gladiator or two. My favorite underused Star Destroyer design.

Sup, Gladiator buddy? You'll need a Victory as well, if you want to keep proper formation. Having a Nebulon B wouldn't hurt either, seeing as at the time the Gladiator was flying around, the Empire still controlled the majority of its Frigate fleet..

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


7thBatallion posted:

Sup, Gladiator buddy? You'll need a Victory as well, if you want to keep proper formation. Having a Nebulon B wouldn't hurt either, seeing as at the time the Gladiator was flying around, the Empire still controlled the majority of its Frigate fleet..

Oh god, what have you done. Welp, looks like I'm buying everything then. Are you an FFG plant?

7thBatallion
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.



jivjov posted:

Oh god, what have you done. Welp, looks like I'm buying everything then. Are you an FFG plant?

No! Don't buy rebellion garbage! I mean, buy any rebellion ships that originally belonged to the Empire. I mean hell, even the Cr90 was originally imperial. So buy the starter, sell the lovely Incom fighters, and make a Armada.

7thBatallion fucked around with this message at Aug 15, 2014 around 20:07

Leo Showers
Nov 9, 2013



So as a recap, we currently know that the Victory-I and Victory-II are in, conversely the Nebulon-B Escort Frigate and Support Refit are also in. Multiple options for each hull are in, although it's not known whether the CR90a or the Gladiator SD will have hull variants. From the dumb Team Covenant video you can see that the Victory-II is better than the Victory-I, and both are stronger than the Nebulons. The Gladiator-class looks to be able to pump out more damage than the Nebulon, I can't really see anything else but I would suppose that the Gladiator will be a more squadron-orientated ship compared to the better armed VSD.

Imperials will be getting TIE Fighters, Bombers, Advanced and Interceptors. Rebels get X, Y, A and B-Wings.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014


Gladiators could also have improved anti-fighter defenses, or just be cheaper than Victories.

Also check out that sexy Assault Frigate Mk. II. I want one.

7thBatallion
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.



Leo Showers posted:

So as a recap, we currently know that the Victory-I and Victory-II are in, conversely the Nebulon-B Escort Frigate and Support Refit are also in. Multiple options for each hull are in, although it's not known whether the CR90a or the Gladiator SD will have hull variants. From the dumb Team Covenant video you can see that the Victory-II is better than the Victory-I, and both are stronger than the Nebulons. The Gladiator-class looks to be able to pump out more damage than the Nebulon, I can't really see anything else but I would suppose that the Gladiator will be a more squadron-orientated ship compared to the better armed VSD.

Imperials will be getting TIE Fighters, Bombers, Advanced and Interceptors. Rebels get X, Y, A and B-Wings.

Everything seems right except the Gladiator. It has the same starfighter complement that the Victory has, and about half the firepower, maybe a third. What makes the Gladiator shine is its speed. Assume a fast capital ship with light firepower, moderate point defense weaponry, and an average fighter compliment.

Sgt. Anime Pederast
Apr 17, 2001

Superior Original Forte

I thought I was a huge star wars sperg since I read all the books and played xwing and tie fighter. What the hell is a gladiator and where is it from?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014


It showed up in Droids, and then in Force Unleashed II. Not exactly the greatest pedigree ever, but it's a nice looking ship.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:

I thought I was a huge star wars sperg since I read all the books and played xwing and tie fighter. What the hell is a gladiator and where is it from?

A couple episodes of the old Droids cartoon series (the one with THE DREAD PIRATE KYBO REN!), and Force Unleashed 2.

Gravy Train Robber
Sep 15, 2007

The moral of the story is:
Be wary of kings in kings' clothing.


I feel like the only person on the forum/world who disliked FFG's X-Wing game, but Armada looks to be at a scale I find more interesting. I'm curious how close the mechanics will be to X-Wing though, which I ended up feeling were quite boring/random. It looks like it'll have some decent variety in the core box as well- When I was trying to get into X Wing the out-of-box gameplay was pretty limited with 2 TIEs and 1 X-Wing. Even after picking up a few additional ships, the game gained no traction in my group and I felt really disappointed with it.

Have they talked about how the squadrons will work in Armada?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


I can feel the complaints about variety in the X-Wing core box...but FFG is always trying to balance "Having a bunch of cool stuff in the core box" and "Keeping the core box at an affordable, casual-buy-in, price point". That's why you frequently have to buy multiples of their card game boxes/packs to have a complete tournament playset.

That's honestly why I'm surprised that the Armada starter box is so expensive.

The Gate
Jun 3, 2008

Harumph!

Gravy Train Robber posted:

Have they talked about how the squadrons will work in Armada?

They get into it in the video. Basically they activate after the large ships, and can either move or attack (range 1 always). If fighter squads are within attack range of each other, they are engaged and cannot move until they are no longer engaged. They move and attack in any direction at all times, fighter combat is abstracted a lot since the capital ships are the focal point for Armada. Capitals can take an order to activate a squad (or two, maybe, they activate in pairs normally) in the capital ship phase instead, and it gets to both move AND shoot when they do.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



An ISD is still going to be bananas at Armada's scale. Probably be like 60 bucks too.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Paragon8 posted:

An ISD is still going to be bananas at Armada's scale. Probably be like 60 bucks too.

If its anywhere near in-scale it's gonna be the size of the Tantive and probably be closer to $100

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014


I doubt it'll be in-scale. The Tantive isn't, and I really doubt that they'd make such an iconic capital ship out of the reasonable price range for their player base to actually use. Plus I'm pretty sure compared to that Victory (which looks roughly YT sized) it'd be Rebel Transport sized, at worst.

The Gate
Jun 3, 2008

Harumph!

jivjov posted:

If its anywhere near in-scale it's gonna be the size of the Tantive and probably be closer to $100

No it won't, it's only about 2x the length of a Victory class. An SSD might be that big I guess, but the Tantive is huge compared to anything in Armada so far. An ISD in scale would probably be like half the size of the Transport for X-Wing if I had to guess, maybe 2/3rds of it.

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Leo Showers
Nov 9, 2013



I'm sure it'll probably be between 1/4 and 1/2 again as large as the VSD, seeing the VSD is 900 meters long and an ISD is 1600 metres long. It literally makes zero sense to have an unplayably large model in a game focusing on capital ships where sizes are already abstracted.

zVxTeflon
Jul 18, 2004

"The apocalyptic scenario in Beverly Hills Chihuahua is what happens if AirBud goes too far"


Wtf is that thing that looks like a grey protoss carrier? Wheres my Home-1?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Yeah, I'm not sure where all the cool Mon Cal ships are...maybe they're having trouble sculpting the Mon Cal bumpy hulls and having them look good?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014


Or they don't have anything Victory sized. The ship you're talking about is an Assault Frigate Mk. II. It's basically the Nebulon B's bigger, meaner younger brother.

A Mon Cal cruiser would be a pretty even match for a full on ISD, and we haven't seen one of those yet either.

FuSchnick
Jun 6, 2001

Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived...

The Gate posted:

They get into it in the video. Basically they activate after the large ships, and can either move or attack (range 1 always). If fighter squads are within attack range of each other, they are engaged and cannot move until they are no longer engaged. They move and attack in any direction at all times, fighter combat is abstracted a lot since the capital ships are the focal point for Armada. Capitals can take an order to activate a squad (or two, maybe, they activate in pairs normally) in the capital ship phase instead, and it gets to both move AND shoot when they do.
There is a different demo video out there too now. Cap ships have a "Squadron" rating, which is how many squadrons they can activate if they use that command in the cap-ship phase. It opens up possibilities for support ships who specialize in offensive fighter usage, for instance.

FuSchnick
Jun 6, 2001

Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived...

jivjov posted:

I can feel the complaints about variety in the X-Wing core box...but FFG is always trying to balance "Having a bunch of cool stuff in the core box" and "Keeping the core box at an affordable, casual-buy-in, price point". That's why you frequently have to buy multiples of their card game boxes/packs to have a complete tournament playset.

That's honestly why I'm surprised that the Armada starter box is so expensive.
X-Wing has three normal size minis, 6 dice, some cards, and a bunch of cardboard punchouts.

Armada has three detailed models with more complicated bases (all three larger than X-Wing core minis, and the VSD substantially bigger), 9 smallish squadron minis, several plastic command dial thingies, a clicky plastic maneuver snake thing, 9 dice, some cards, and some cardboard punchouts.

Part of why X-Wing was so "cheap" was that it didn't really have a lot of components. The ships are high quality, but everything else is cards or cardboard. It was also much more mass-marketable, having a good combination of popular IP and a low enough price point to actually be carried in non-specialty stores.

Armada just can't hit that kind of price point with the same level of quality. It also doesn't quite have the same level of simplicity to make it easily marketable in stores like Target and Walmart. I think it is much more firmly targeted to the enthusiast gaming crowd, where a higher price point (and higher quantity of nice components) is more acceptable.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008


I'm yet to start getting into these games, but I want both X-wing and Armada Should I just choose one or is it worth going after X-wing right now?

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


CelestialScribe posted:

I'm yet to start getting into these games, but I want both X-wing and Armada Should I just choose one or is it worth going after X-wing right now?

Well, Armada isn't gonna be out for a while yet, so if you want to move some plastic ships around right now, go with X-Wing. Its a drat solid game and has all sorts of ships out for it, so you can cherrypick whatever list tickles your fancy and just buy that and have some fun before Armada hits.

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008


Good point, thanks!

Dominus Caedis
Sep 17, 2007
Stupid Noob

I demoed this at GenCon yesterday and it's pretty fun. The demo emphasizes how much of a brick the Victory is compared to the Neb-B/CR-90. I can also add that in the demo both sides have named Characters. There is a Luke X-Wing that has slightly different stats (but more importantly has access to "Defense Tokens" like the Capitals) and some Imperial Captain (I was playing as the Rebels so I didn't get a good look at her). Also in the demo were two different hull configurations for each of the three Capitals from the starter box.

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009


zVxTeflon posted:

Wtf is that thing that looks like a grey protoss carrier? Wheres my Home-1?

Yeah. I've yet to play X-Wing so I'll see how I find that first but this does look interesting. How often do they release a new wave for these types of games? I'd probably wait until there were some Mon Cal ships anyway.

Leo Showers
Nov 9, 2013



Dominus Caedis posted:

I demoed this at GenCon yesterday and it's pretty fun. The demo emphasizes how much of a brick the Victory is compared to the Neb-B/CR-90. I can also add that in the demo both sides have named Characters. There is a Luke X-Wing that has slightly different stats (but more importantly has access to "Defense Tokens" like the Capitals) and some Imperial Captain (I was playing as the Rebels so I didn't get a good look at her). Also in the demo were two different hull configurations for each of the three Capitals from the starter box.

I'm interested to see what the hull configurations are for the CR-90.

alg
Mar 14, 2007

Make a Wish granted: play in the NHL


Twitter posted:

FFG had prices listed for armada expansion packs
Fighter packs 20
Gladiator star destroyer 30
Frigate mk2 40

Reynold
Feb 14, 2012


Took some pics on my way out of GenCon, prolly nothing new to anybody here but what the hell





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Corbeau
Sep 12, 2010

Jack of All Trades


I wish we had more info about the card abilities in Armada. The basic mechanics are solid enough, but like X-Wing the meat of the game will probably be in the cards.

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