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thrakkorzog posted:Perry isn't exactly known for being the sharpest knife in the drawer. The second one wouldn't be an attempt at coercion. If he just vetoed the funding and then said it was because she wouldn't step down, at no point would she have been influenced to step down by a threat to veto her funding. It seems weird because "Do what I want, or I'll use my official power to screw with your ability to do your job" seems like a normal thing, but apparently actually saying that specifically about a specific issue is illegal?
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It's not a settled issue, that's the thing. This isn't yet at all like the Blagojevich case where he and his staff were convicted of wire fraud for trying to structure transactions and then many other things. It may turn out that way, and maybe this investigator has the goods, but as of right now it's one of those things where everyone gets to have an opinion, it seems, because the law doesn't seem to be 100% clear. Perry hasn't been accused of all this other adjacent criminal behavior, his whole alleged crime happened right out in public and involved his powers. That's obviously murky.
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Aug 18, 2014 17:14
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Once the Rosemary Lehmberg - the Travis County DA was arrested for DUI and the ensuing drama unfolded. Supposedly Rick Perry or his office went behind closed doors and promised her a job if she resigned voluntarily. I can't find the source but if this is true and could be proven in court, Perry would be found guilty.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:22
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Tab8715 posted:Once the Rosemary Lehmberg - the Travis County DA was arrested for DUI and the ensuing drama unfolded. Supposedly Rick Perry or his office went behind closed doors and promised her a job if she resigned voluntarily. The Texas Tribune has backed that up and Lehmberg said that part of the reason she didn't agree was because she thought it was illegal.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:41
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Trabisnikof posted:The Texas Tribune has backed that up and Lehmberg said that part of the reason she didn't agree was because she thought it was illegal. If they prove it in court, Perry is hosed.
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Aug 18, 2014 20:58
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This is why I wonder if the special investigator has something more. He made comments to the effect that he was pretty unnerved by what he'd discovered during his investigation. Now that's posturing of course, but it doesn't mean there's nothing there. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WILL SHOCK YOU
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Aug 18, 2014 21:00
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Tab8715 posted:If they prove it in court, Perry is hosed. Going to be hard because the Perry administration is very meticulous about avoiding written communication. But yes if somebody hosed up and wrote that down or the special prosecutor has credible witnesses then Perry is in trouble. It will still get overturned on appeal.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:04
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Why bring these weak-sauce charges, though? He's only had the special grand jury for 11 months now. You can keep a normal grand jury impaneled for 18 months, and I think a special grand jury for 36 months.
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Aug 18, 2014 21:05
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It's not Governor Perry's fault that there's a crayon shortage.Elotana posted:Why bring these weak-sauce charges, though? He's only had the special grand jury for 11 months now. You can keep a normal grand jury impaneled for 18 months, and I think a special grand jury for 36 months. 1) He's incompetent 2) He's lowballing the initial charge to lure the Governor into something 3) This is all he's got and he thinks it's a good case EDIT: Oops, it's 03:00 here - respect for the office.
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Shifty Pony posted:Going to be hard because the Perry administration is very meticulous about avoiding written communication. But yes if somebody hosed up and wrote that down or the special prosecutor has credible witnesses then Perry is in trouble. It will get 100% overturned on appeal even if there was a handwritten note that says "I Rick Perry, as an illegal use of my official powers, do hereby veto this funding and order the Texas DPS to murder 4 prostitutes." The elected judges (R) won't stand for it.
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Shifty Pony posted:Going to be hard because the Perry administration is very meticulous about avoiding written communication. But yes if somebody hosed up and wrote that down or the special prosecutor has credible witnesses then Perry is in trouble. Yea, it'll become a "he-said but she-said" which never goes anywhere and I don't believe a Grand Jury would indict on that amount of evidence. Which means they must have something...
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Tab8715 posted:Yea, it'll become a "he-said but she-said" which never goes anywhere and I don't believe a Grand Jury would indict on that amount of evidence. Is Texas a one-party conscent state?
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Aug 18, 2014 22:29
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Trabisnikof posted:It will get 100% overturned on appeal even if there was a handwritten note that says "I Rick Perry, as an illegal use of my official powers, do hereby veto this funding and order the Texas DPS to murder 4 prostitutes." The elected judges (R) won't stand for it. Pretty much. He would have to be Blagojevich levels of toxic.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:39
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And stupid. Which, you know, is possible given how long he's been in power and how not-brilliant he is to begin with.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Is Texas a one-party conscent state? A quick google search shows that Texas is a one party consent state. (Most states default to one party consent, unless the state actually requires second party consent.) Although if they actually had recordings of Perry making any unethical offers, it seems like that would be exhibit A against Perry. He said/she said arguments generally aren't all that persuasive, especially if one side has a strong incentive to lie about was said. I'm not a big fan of Perry, since he was perfectly happy to go along with Emminent domain abuse, up until the time it became unpopular, then he tried to remake himself as a Tea Party populist. At this point his oppnents just smash into their own stupidity. For example, He was willing to to spend $1500 per HPV vaccine. One of his buddies transferred out of the of the governor's office, in order to profit off the HPV vaccine. There is an argument to be made that he exceeded his powers. There are also people who accuse Perry of spreading autism. Guess which group gets more headlines. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 07:10
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A bit off-topic but has anything come out of this? Texas court overturns Tom DeLay conviction USA Today posted:The Texas Third Circuit Court of Appeals, in an opinion released Thursday by Justice Melissa Goodwin, said instead that "the evidence shows that the defendants were attempting to comply with the election code limitations on corporate contributions." Was an appeal ever attempted?
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Aug 19, 2014 20:39
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So he is turning himself in. Not really a huge deal but we'll get some mugshots at least.
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Aug 19, 2014 22:53
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Rick Perry has never taken a bad photo. Say what you will about him, but he's photogenic as gently caress.
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Aug 19, 2014 23:13
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I'd just like to note that @HipsterRickPerry is a twitter account and it's just too bad because there's some potential in the premise but the guy just isn't very funny.
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Aug 19, 2014 23:22
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Frackie Robinson posted:Rick Perry has never taken a bad photo. Say what you will about him, but he's photogenic as gently caress.  The man. The hair. The mugshot.
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Aug 19, 2014 23:45
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah he is. This is it: Smug.jpg
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Aug 19, 2014 23:48
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah he is. This is it: Smugshot. Bonus meme image. 
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah he is. This is it: And then he celebrated by getting ice cream https://twitter.com/GovernorPerry/status/501864028764110848/photo/1 
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Aug 20, 2014 00:04
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah he is. This is it: So disappointed, though I knew it would be like this.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:36
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Inferior Third Season posted:Why do politicians always get to have mugshots like it's grade school picture day? Where's the little sign he's supposed to be showing, and the height measuring stick embedded in the wall behind him? Nah, that's a normal mugshot for Travis County. Perry just knew to dress snazzy because he was turning himself in.  (http://www.bustedmugshots.com/texas/austin/nicholas-willy/157246741)
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Vertical Lime posted:And then he celebrated by getting ice cream That woman looks uncomfortable
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Vertical Lime posted:And then he celebrated by getting ice cream The guy with the unbuttoned dress shirt and pink pocket handkerchief looks like a sleaze ball.
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah he is. This is it: Well, time to retire the Gingrich press release avatar.
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Technogeek posted:Well, time to retire the Gingrich press release avatar. And just in time for the official avatar limit increase!
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Aug 20, 2014 01:38
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There is not an ounce of shame, guilt, or regret in that grin. As ever the shithead we know him to be. Just ran across this on twitter: 
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mango sentinel posted:There is not an ounce of shame, guilt, or regret in that grin. As ever the shithead we know him to be. I am in loff! History marches forward ya'll.
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The only way this case could get any dumber is if the DA had not resi...oh, right, she's still there.Tab8715 posted:Once the Rosemary Lehmberg - the Travis County DA was arrested for DUI and the ensuing drama unfolded. Supposedly Rick Perry or his office went behind closed doors and promised her a job if she resigned voluntarily. No jury will convict, even given the above. If there's no set mechanism for removing the chair of an ethics committee from office for a .239, you can spin that conversation as extraordinary measures. I'm not even sure it's spin. An offer of a lower ranking job to save face is something that would happen in a whole lot of other countries and in a non-politicized situation it wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.
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The office prosecuting him is the office whose funds he vetoed?
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Adar posted:The only way this case could get any dumber is if the DA had not resi...oh, right, she's still there. The Travis County DA is an elected official and responsible to the people of her district. If they wish for her to remain in her position - so be it. We could discuss at length as to if there should be some way to remove her but that's a completely different topic. My own state North Dakota had a judge accused and convicted of sexual harassment yet he still holds his position. Why he hasn't been voted out is beyond me... Adar posted:No jury will convict, even given the above. If there's no set mechanism for removing the chair of an ethics committee from office for a .239, you can spin that conversation as extraordinary measures. I'm not even sure it's spin. A special independent prosecutor that reviewed the investigation from the Travis County DA and a Grand Jury thinks otherwise. Adar posted:An offer of a lower ranking job to save face is something that would happen in a whole lot of other countries and in a non-politicized situation it wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Eh, maybe but it was to squash the investigation - which is illegal under State Law.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:The office prosecuting him is the office whose funds he vetoed? Yes, however the idea that it's just partisan mudslinging is rather misleading. I don't know the exact terminology or process but when the Travis County DA completed their investigation of Perry they take their findings to a special prosecutor. He's non-partisan (or claims to be) reviews the case and if he feels there's something substantial then he takes it to a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury (non-partisan or at the very least a mix of democrats/republicans) scrutinizes the special prosecutors review and if they feel beyond the benefit of a doubt there's wrong doing and indictment will be issued.
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Everybody I've talked to has commented on how smug he looks in his mugshot, but I just don't see it. To me it looks like barely contained anger papered over with a fake smile. Like he can't believe these loving plebians are putting him through this process like a "normal". His eyes are screaming "I will loving bury you!"
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Grand juries hear no exculpatory evidence and will indict a hand sandwich. Indictments are paperwork to go through (unless there's a cop involved lol) before getting to the important part. For a Texas jury to convict on these facts is going to take a minor miracle.Tab8715 posted:The Grand Jury (non-partisan or at the very least a mix of democrats/republicans) scrutinizes the special prosecutors review and if they feel beyond the benefit of a doubt there's wrong doing and indictment will be issued. Also, you got your standard of proof significantly wrong ("probable cause")
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While a grand jury could indict a ham sandwich they didn't return a true bill against Lehmburg?
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Adar posted:Grand juries hear no exculpatory evidence and will indict a hand sandwich. Indictments are paperwork to go through (unless there's a cop involved lol) before getting to the important part. For a Texas jury to convict on these facts is going to take a minor miracle. While grand juries are easy to get to indict anything, a Bush-appointed prosecutor knows better than to stake his reputation on a flimsy case. I don't think this case is so easy for Perry. I know the defense is arguing that anything he does as a veto is legal, but that's clearly not the intent of the law and Perry made many statements of quid-pro-quo. In a state where previously appointed/elected officials are a direct and intentional limit on the governor's the ability to remove them at whim (and appoint your own), by line-item vetoing any funding they approve of until they resign would dramatically shift the balance of power in Texas. We've basically impeached a governor for this before....(vote Ma, she'll do what Pa says!) I'm pretty sure the jury will be from Austin anyway, so there's that to consider. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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D-Pad posted:Everybody I've talked to has commented on how smug he looks in his mugshot, but I just don't see it. To me it looks like barely contained anger papered over with a fake smile. Like he can't believe these loving plebians are putting him through this process like a "normal". His eyes are screaming "I will loving bury you!" Yeah.
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