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Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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and the syllabus doesn't mention anyone but Jews, and we're reading a book by a scholar who claims you can only apply the word "holocaust" to the Jewish experience and nobody else. the index only mentions the word "Roma" twice and it's incidentally. i've had this professor a bunch of time and he's usually fantastic but i'm pretty skeptical this time. thanks for listening, GBS

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the Gaffe
Jul 4, 2011

you gotta believe dawg

walk into class and casually use the holocaust as a metaphor for the poo poo you left in the men's bathroom

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

THERE GIANT FLOATING GRANDMA ON THE FORUM PLS HELP!1

I too have taken classes about works of fiction before. I had a great professor who was amazing for the greek myths class.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


everybody else is left out because it turns out the germans were right and they really all were subhuman, but they were mistaken about the jews who actually are people it turns out

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

You have failed me for the last time, Colonel Pickering


Like an instructional class?

BigBadSteve
Apr 29, 2009

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep an idiot in suspense.
I'll tell it to you later.


Fair call, so challenge your professors to talk more/discuss with the class the other groups the Nazis tried to eliminate as well. Without using that as an excuse to try and minimise the horror & tragedy of the systematic murders of all those Jews, which is what idiot racists do. They were the vast majority of victims in attempted genocides by the Nazis, but the others should not be forgotten.

Extra points for mentioning contemporary harassment of itinerant Gypsies in Europe.

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

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do you show up baked everyday?

LordArgh
Mar 17, 2009

It is a cliche that most cliches are true, but then like most cliches, that cliche is untrue.


bring up the irony of how it is now the jews who are doing the holocausting to palestinians

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

You have failed me for the last time, Colonel Pickering


"I'm not saying Aliens helped design and execute the holocaust, but if they WERE involved, HOW involved do you feel they could have been without being overtly observed or suspected?"

Keep rephrasing this and asking it in every class so you get 'adequate participation'.

Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014


Why does that scholar think the holocaust is misapplied to groups other than Jews? What other books are you reading for the class? If the professor has been great in the past, maybe give benefit of the doubt.

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

Buyer's Remorse


the homocaust, is real

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


you should tell your prof that comedy is an essential part of the human experience and you cannot fully understand what happened unless he shares some of his favorite holocaust jokes with everybody, because surely such a long event involving millions of people cannot have been totally bereft of humor

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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Kazak_Hstan posted:

Why does that scholar think the holocaust is misapplied to groups other than Jews? What other books are you reading for the class? If the professor has been great in the past, maybe give benefit of the doubt.

its Yehuda Bauer and just perusing his wikipedia page he seems middle of the road, and acknowledges that roma/gays/criminals/slavs etc were targets for genocide but you can't call it the "holocaust" because they were specifically targeted as a nation/people and not a mere subclassification? he's sort of equivocating and claims both Israelis and Palestinians would be capable of genocide in the middle east in the right context, i think.

we're reading Night, which is lame and I read in middle school which is weird because in the other three classes i've taken w/this professor he's assigned some of the best things i've ever read, and he's one of the main editors of the international holocaust studies periodical so i'm sure he's familiar with Wiesel's asshattery. we're also going to be reading two more books that are tba for our major paper so i dunno if those will deal with the other 5 million people killed


BigBadSteve posted:

Fair call, so challenge your professors to talk more/discuss with the class the other groups the Nazis tried to eliminate as well. Without using that as an excuse to try and minimise the horror & tragedy of the systematic murders of all those Jews, which is what idiot racists do. They were the vast majority of victims in attempted genocides by the Nazis, but the others should not be forgotten.

Extra points for mentioning contemporary harassment of itinerant Gypsies in Europe.

i plan on doing this and also asking him about Norman Finkelstein because I've liked everything I've seen fro mhim but what kind of prick names a book "The Holocaust Industry" and it seems like a lot of reputable people are very skeptical about Finkelstein and i'm worried i only like him b/c I'm not a fan of Israel

naem
May 29, 2011



Are you getting better at holocausting

Hitler420
Jun 11, 2014

by Ralp


Fandyien posted:

and the syllabus doesn't mention anyone but Jews, and we're reading a book by a scholar who claims you can only apply the word "holocaust" to the Jewish experience and nobody else. the index only mentions the word "Roma" twice and it's incidentally. i've had this professor a bunch of time and he's usually fantastic but i'm pretty skeptical this time. thanks for listening, GBS

sounds hosed up!

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

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where a shirt to class that says i'm holocaustic

logical phalluses
Mar 18, 2009

The living look upon the corpse with their eyesight,
But without eyesight lingers a different living and looks
curiously on the corpse.

let me get this straight. you're taking a holocaust class at hebrew university in jerusalem and you are surprised that the class focuses on the jewish victims of the holocaust.

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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logical phalluses posted:

let me get this straight. you're taking a holocaust class at hebrew university in jerusalem and you are surprised that the class focuses on the jewish victims of the holocaust.

lol no i'm taking a class that uses a book by a professor from a hebrew university in jersusalem, i'm in the american southeast

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

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logical phalluses posted:

let me get this straight. you're taking a holocaust class at hebrew university in jerusalem and you are surprised that the class focuses on the jewish victims of the holocaust.

they do have a arab population maybe he is iranian.

logical phalluses
Mar 18, 2009

The living look upon the corpse with their eyesight,
But without eyesight lingers a different living and looks
curiously on the corpse.

Fandyien posted:

lol no i'm taking a class that uses a book by a professor from a hebrew university in jersusalem, i'm in the american southeast

oh ok then.

you irl
Jan 22, 2014


who gives a poo poo just pretend to be into whatever opinions the professor has, get your grade, and move on

Quickscope420dad
Jun 30, 2014

I can drink 40 cups of tea in 1 second


holocaust
ˈhɒləkɔːst/Submit
noun
1.
destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.
"a nuclear holocaust"
synonyms: cataclysm, disaster, catastrophe, destruction, devastation, demolition, annihilation, ravaging; More
the mass murder of Jews under the German Nazi regime during the period 19415. More than 6 million European Jews, as well as members of other persecuted groups, were murdered at concentration camps such as Auschwitz.
singular proper noun: Holocaust; noun: the Holocaust
2.
historical
a Jewish sacrificial offering which was burnt completely on an altar.



makes you think

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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you irl posted:

who gives a poo poo just pretend to be into whatever opinions the professor has, get your grade, and move on

i like to learn things

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004


that's what you get for taking history classes

TOILETLORD
Nov 13, 2012

NO PAPER LEFT


Fandyien posted:

i like to learn things

you are paying for a grade just learn on your own time.

Lard on Fork
Feb 22, 2006
I mean I will holler at it

im goy

Refried Noodle
Feb 23, 2012



Kazak_Hstan
Apr 28, 2014


Fandyien posted:

its Yehuda Bauer and just perusing his wikipedia page he seems middle of the road, and acknowledges that roma/gays/criminals/slavs etc were targets for genocide but you can't call it the "holocaust" because they were specifically targeted as a nation/people and not a mere subclassification? he's sort of equivocating and claims both Israelis and Palestinians would be capable of genocide in the middle east in the right context, i think.

we're reading Night, which is lame and I read in middle school which is weird because in the other three classes i've taken w/this professor he's assigned some of the best things i've ever read, and he's one of the main editors of the international holocaust studies periodical so i'm sure he's familiar with Wiesel's asshattery. we're also going to be reading two more books that are tba for our major paper so i dunno if those will deal with the other 5 million people killed

It might be worth keeping an open mind. Lots of other's were killed, but the centrality of both Jews in Nazi propaganda, and the Holocaust in the Jewish experience may well set the Jews apart. To a certain extent, I think it is fair to say the Nazis went genociding to get rid of the Jews, and other groups got swept up, as opposed to the Nazis deciding to genocide and the Jews just happening to be the biggest victim. To my knowledge, the pre-war Nuremberg laws, ghettoization as formal policy, etc., was not applied to groups other than Jews. That said, I'm not sure that means the specific word holocaust is off limits to Roma and Slavs. What word does he propose for genocide against other groups?

Night is pretty weak for what I assume is upper division college work. Why not All Rivers Run to the Sea? And what asshattery by Wiesel, I'm not familiar.

ilikedirt
Oct 15, 2004

king of posting


every time the proff finishes a sentence just suck ur teeth or go psh. every once in a while laugh or go AUGH really noticably and roll ur eyes make sure u get everyones attn. if the prof asks whats wrong just say "nothing jeez!!"

McDowell
Aug 1, 2008

Surely, Caligula was my greatest role

Do a report on Hans Litten

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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Kazak_Hstan posted:

It might be worth keeping an open mind. Lots of other's were killed, but the centrality of both Jews in Nazi propaganda, and the Holocaust in the Jewish experience may well set the Jews apart. To a certain extent, I think it is fair to say the Nazis went genociding to get rid of the Jews, and other groups got swept up, as opposed to the Nazis deciding to genocide and the Jews just happening to be the biggest victim. To my knowledge, the pre-war Nuremberg laws, ghettoization as formal policy, etc., was not applied to groups other than Jews. That said, I'm not sure that means the specific word holocaust is off limits to Roma and Slavs. What word does he propose for genocide against other groups?

Night is pretty weak for what I assume is upper division college work. Why not All Rivers Run to the Sea? And what asshattery by Wiesel, I'm not familiar.

well apparently he advocates for a synthesis between functionalist and intentionalist interpretations and criticized that guy who came up w/the "exterminationist" approach, so it sounds weird to intrepret the Holocaust as uniquely Jewish while simultaneously understanding it was a product of dictatorial inertia. you're right about the pre-war nuremburg laws with the big exception of mental/physical invalids and criminals and stuff who were much more heavily excluded than they had been beforehand, iirc. i think he just uses the word "genocide" for other groups

he actually said he used to use that but it wasn't working, I guess because undergrads are stupid? i mean we're watching Night and Fog and Der Ewidge Jude so it's not all schlocky modern poo poo. i'm not a fan of Wiesel because of his opinions on I/P

ilikedirt
Oct 15, 2004

king of posting


so ur problem is w/ the label ur prof decides to use

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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ilikedirt posted:

so ur problem is w/ the label ur prof decides to use

i suppose

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011
Penetrative action is a pretty central fact of male sexuality. Young boys unconsciously imitate the movements in their sleep without ever having seen them or knowing what they mean.

quote:

Yehuda Bauer
i think i see the problem.

Tweet Me Balls
Apr 14, 2009



wear a pink triangle to class

Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

I drink to make other people more interesting.

Fandyien posted:

i like to learn things

Learn how to play ball. College is all about telling the prof what he wants to hear in exchange for the grade you paid for.

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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Frankenstyle posted:

Learn how to play ball. College is all about telling the prof what he wants to hear in exchange for the grade you paid for.

actually i've had a lot of success by genuinely engaging with the material

ilikedirt
Oct 15, 2004

king of posting


Fandyien posted:

actually i've had a lot of success by genuinely engaging with the material

what r u goin to school for just curiouse

Fandyien
Feb 10, 2012

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ilikedirt posted:

what r u goin to school for just curiouse

i am a historyt major

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mookface
Jun 7, 2009

my car blew up today


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