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oregon is hosed because iirc their original contract didnt include any deliverables
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quote:The purchase orders issued to Oracle for the project frequently failed to include what's known as "deliverables" – clear descriptions of what Oracle agreed to produce for the money. Instead, they called for "time and materials" to be paid for by the state. yeah lol theyre hosed
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Aug 25, 2014 03:54
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pram posted:do you work for pdit lol nah i was in a gov consulting branch. it was a total clusterfuck and no one knew what the gently caress they were doing. my senior dev on my project didn't know how to loving type
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Aug 25, 2014 03:54
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pram posted:yeah lol theyre hosed yeah oracle knows how to craft an air-tight contract.  oregon
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Aug 25, 2014 03:55
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Necc0 posted:idk if anyone remembers my stories of my idiot roommate who somehow landed a consulting gig at oracle without ever writing code or even knowing how to change directories in a *nix but he was put on the project and billed tens of thousands of dollars from the oregon govt Necc0 posted:my senior dev on my project didn't know how to loving type i muddle through life writing mediocre but functional software for ridiculous amounts of money and i wonder how i get away with it and then i read these threads and i'm like, oh yeah, that's my competition
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Aug 25, 2014 03:57
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pram posted:oregon is hosed because iirc their original contract didnt include any deliverables the oracle filing was like "they contracted for time and then had 3 different departments tell us to do 3 different things and this changed constantly - of course they don't have anything"
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Aug 25, 2014 03:57
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also they were required to interface with dozens (hundreds?) of providers and lol surprise oregon didnt do poo poo about making sure the providers gave documentation or anything until like a week before go-live 
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Aug 25, 2014 04:01
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Necc0 posted:also yeah the oregon gov was just as incompetent and if there's one thing i know about oracle it's that their legal team is really loving good and they cover ALL their bases when getting into a contract so this lawsuit prob won't go well pram posted:oregon is hosed because iirc their original contract didnt include any deliverables lol. it would own if larry walks away with nice chunk of the Oregon government.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:01
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he will. to this day iirc he's the only fucker in history to sue the god drat justice department and win
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Aug 25, 2014 04:03
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Necc0 posted:also they were required to interface with dozens (hundreds?) of providers and lol surprise oregon didnt do poo poo about making sure the providers gave documentation or anything until like a week before go-live lol oracle is going to get a loving summary judgement
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Aug 25, 2014 04:05
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Necc0 posted:also they were required to interface with dozens (hundreds?) of providers and lol surprise oregon didnt do poo poo about making sure the providers gave documentation or anything until like a week before go-live thats pretty sop for state programs.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:05
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Necc0 posted:if my boss hadn't hosed me in the rear end with a hot poker go on, please
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Aug 25, 2014 04:06
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ive made a lot of lovely choices in my life but jumping ship from that poo poo-wreck was not one of them
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Aug 25, 2014 04:06
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i live in a state that built an incredibly plain and barebones website for this except it works and nobody else's does the rest of the country was beaten by Kentucky in something other than basketball
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Aug 25, 2014 04:07
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BONGHITZ posted:go on, please in a nutshell - when we were brought on it was made clear to us that there weren't any promotions or raises. you basically worked for the "experience" until you were sniped by a competitor. - a little over a year in a college friend refers me to one of our competitors, they give me an offer - i go to my boss to resign, he refuses and gives me a counter offer - i take it and i lose the opportunity with the competitor - 3 months later and my paycheck still hasn't budged -  <- me
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Aug 25, 2014 04:09
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I'm so sorry
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hobbesmaster posted:i live in a state that built an incredibly plain and barebones website for this otoh, you have to live in kentucky
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Cold on a Cob posted:i muddle through life writing mediocre but functional software for ridiculous amounts of money and i wonder how i get away with it and then i read these threads and i'm like, oh yeah, that's my competition
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Aug 25, 2014 04:14
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Necc0 posted:in a nutshell that blows, goondolences but for everyone else, key takeway: never take the counter offer from your current employer. ever. if you wanted to stay, you wouldn't have entertained the other offer in the first place.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:20
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BONGHITZ posted:I'm so sorry yeah lesson learned
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Aug 25, 2014 04:20
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silver lining is that after that i gold bricked like a mother fucker and dedicated entirely to the job hunt. ended up getting a gig that payed more than my initial offer than that offer was over my old salary. owned, job-creators
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Aug 25, 2014 04:22
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most of us could have written these websites in a few weeks. then you just poo poo out some edi 834 cause thats what the insurance companies all deal with already.
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Aug 25, 2014 04:23
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maniacdevnull posted:its simple - "all those other guys suck. give us your money instead." it works until someone realizes you suck too, and as long as everyone sucks at it, the 'other guys all suck' line will always resonate. if you look through these binoculars you can see larry off on the horizon, rubbing his nipples on the deck of his yacht
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Aug 25, 2014 04:24
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Necc0 posted:in a nutshell  A large part of the reason I haven't left my company is I have a boss I genuinely like and who fights for his reports. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to go work for a shitlord like that every day. Have they given a magical excuse for the lack of doing anything?
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TerminalRaptor posted:Have they given a magical excuse for the lack of doing anything? he literally blamed it on mark hurd. thats when i told him to go gently caress himself and i got a security escort off premises
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Aug 25, 2014 04:26
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Necc0 posted:if you look through these binoculars you can see larry off on the horizon, standing on the deck of his yacht rubbing his nipples hot TerminalRaptor posted:A large part of the reason I haven't left my company is I have a boss I genuinely like and who fights for his reports. a big reason why i stayed at my last job about 2 years too long good bosses make everything seem less lovely
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maniacdevnull posted:that blows, goondolences This. 99% of people who take a counter offer are gone with in a year anyways. The majority of them are laid off or fired. If you take a counter offer it puts a HUGE target on your back.
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once when i quit a job, the boss people lost their poo poo because they considered me to be "irreplaceable" (hint: nobody is ever irreplaceable). one of the directors took me to the pub and said, while looking at the floor and shaking his head sadly, "um, well... the other boss guys told me to offer you money. i have ten grand in cash on me - it's yours if you stay.". he was clearly horribly embarrassed because he knew i wouldn't take it. i was leaving because it was a totally horrific place to work. i told him sorry, it's not about the money, and he just nodded, with his eyes shut, still pointing his face at the floor. i did not take the money. he didn't finish his beer. that is my story.
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Jerk McJerkface posted:This. 99% of people who take a counter offer are gone with in a year anyways. The majority of them are laid off or fired. If you take a counter offer it puts a HUGE target on your back. or they just quit anyway because they still hate their job, and now their job is worse because they took the counter offer.
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Dr. Honked posted:once when i quit a job, the boss people lost their poo poo because they considered me to be "irreplaceable" (hint: nobody is ever irreplaceable). one of the directors took me to the pub and said, while looking at the floor and shaking his head sadly, "um, well... the other boss guys told me to offer you money. i have ten grand in cash on me - it's yours if you stay.". he was clearly horribly embarrassed because he knew i wouldn't take it. i was leaving because it was a totally horrific place to work. i told him sorry, it's not about the money, and he just nodded, with his eyes shut, still pointing his face at the floor. i did not take the money. he didn't finish his beer. that is my story. i once worked for a v small dev shop and worked there until i had no money for gas the following day because there were no paychecks, ceo/owner offered me 4 hundo on the spot lol 3 years later he checked into a mental hospital and his life crumbled to bits he still owes me 4 grand fucker
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Dr. Honked posted:once when i quit a job, the boss people lost their poo poo because they considered me to be "irreplaceable" (hint: nobody is ever irreplaceable). one of the directors took me to the pub and said, while looking at the floor and shaking his head sadly, "um, well... the other boss guys told me to offer you money. i have ten grand in cash on me - it's yours if you stay.". he was clearly horribly embarrassed because he knew i wouldn't take it. i was leaving because it was a totally horrific place to work. i told him sorry, it's not about the money, and he just nodded, with his eyes shut, still pointing his face at the floor. i did not take the money. he didn't finish his beer. that is my story. in cash?! you should have taken the money and quit anyway, denying you were ever paid
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univbee posted:in cash?! you should have taken the money and quit anyway, denying you were ever paid yeah take the money and just stop coming to work anyway
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Aug 25, 2014 17:34
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sometimes in situations like that its worth paying some sum of money to never have to talk to someone again
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so from what I gather here it turns out that Oracle is really good and Oregon sucks. what a surprise.
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Aug 25, 2014 18:12
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its more likely that they both suck except that oracle is way better at lawyering and contracts and will own Oregon
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Shaggar posted:its more likely that they both suck except that oracle is way better at lawyering and contracts and will own Oregon larry-sama cackles from his otaku castle
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Jerk McJerkface posted:This. 99% of people who take a counter offer are gone with in a year anyways. The majority of them are laid off or fired. If you take a counter offer it puts a HUGE target on your back. welp. guess i better start lookin
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Aug 25, 2014 18:20
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graph posted:larry-sama cackles from his otaku castle larry put all his points into lawyer skills and Oregon put them all into government spending. larrys attacks are super effective
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attention denizens of yospos: before you render judgement on whether or not oracle is good or terrible ask yourself the following: "have I ever had to work with oracle on a project?" if the answer is no you should probably not bother responding
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