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The British Empire lasted from 1497 to 1987 and at its height covered more than a quarter of the Earth's land mass. In the process of pursuing total world domination, it created (albeit largely accidentally) no less than four wealthy, stable democracies that have gone on to become great nations in their own right: Singapore, Australia, Canada, and, everybody's favorite, the USA. India, South Africa, Hong Kong and a handful of others also get honorable mentions for being the least lovely places to live in their region. The United States, by contrast, has eschewed direct world domination in favor of "encouraging" independent democracies to flower on their own. Successful democracies created by US intervention: 0 (1 if you count Israel I guess, but we all know how THEY turned out) I say we drop the hypocritical "minimal intervnetion" BS and just take over the world already. Worst case scenario is we fail but indirectly create a bunch of awesome, new countries which might be even better than the US. Best Case scenario we succeed and there is Freedom and Justice for all.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:47 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 08:48 |
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They did this over a hundred years ago. Pick up a book.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:52 |
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can we bring back togas
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:54 |
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i cant waigt to be annexed by canada when this whole poo poo starts to go down
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:54 |
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Manifest posted:They did this over a hundred years ago. The events detailed in Harry Turtledove novels don't count.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:54 |
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you need to lurk both here and in a couple of US History forums, thanks
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:55 |
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Applewhite posted:The events detailed in Harry Turtledove novels don't count. Read about the Spanish American War. Remember the Maine!
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:55 |
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You invade either to take and destroy or conquer. We should drop the pretense of fixing and just do either of the above.McDowell posted:Read about the Spanish American War. Inside job!
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:57 |
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McDowell posted:Read about the Spanish American War. We beat up the aging Spanish Armada and then were neglectful caretakers of the Philippines. If we'd really been going for an empire, the Philippines would be states right now.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 18:59 |
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Al Borland posted:You invade either to take and destroy or conquer. We should drop the pretense of fixing and just do either of the above. My point exactly (I say conquer).
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:00 |
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THe united states already is an empire, just not in the way you think of them (rome, britain). It's an "economic" empire. A "cultural" empire. why would we bother conquering militarily to take what we are already getting through other means. War can be a way to make money and it can be a way to waste money. Usually it's a waste of money (50% of the time at least, i.e. people lose wars)
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:01 |
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A gay empire
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:02 |
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for faggots
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:02 |
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im gay
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:02 |
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drat americans are poo poo at history. we already control the EU, we have the middle east set up to make our war machine make us money every year for the next two centuries and we outright just own like half the important countries in the world. even our debtors cant touch us because they'll go broke without us around to pay them back the american empire is about as good as its ever been right now
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:04 |
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^^ Don't forget that Argentinian debtAl Borland posted:Inside job! I think now historians say it is a toss up between a Spanish mine or a bunker fire, but hey it is what it is. See also: Gulf of Tonkin
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:04 |
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As an Applewhite, are you a football player, football coach, character on desperate housewives, or leader of a suicidal alien cult?
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:06 |
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i want us to take all our extra tanks congress gave us and just sweep through all of south america, kill em all make canadians go to south america, we annex canada. the we are in a good position for a land war with russia.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:08 |
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Did those Argentinians ever pay up? What ever happened with that? Last I heard they didn't want to pay their debts so we wrecked their economy.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:09 |
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Applewhite posted:We beat up the aging Spanish Armada and then were neglectful caretakers of the Philippines. If we'd really been going for an empire, the Philippines would be states right now. What kind of chump bitch empire makes its colonies fully franchised parts of the core "Hm yes let's let the wogs vote in parliament" - the British, never
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:10 |
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Ok, so should we conquer Argentina or destroy it?
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:10 |
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Huskalator posted:Ok, so should we conquer Argentina or destroy it? good farm land lots of slave labor treat it like guam.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:11 |
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TOILETLORD posted:i want us to take all our extra tanks congress gave us and just sweep through all of south america, kill em all make canadians go to south america, we annex canada. the we are in a good position for a land war with russia. Tanks are not really useful in a jungle.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:11 |
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Hobohemian posted:Tanks are not really useful in a jungle. we got like an extra 2k tanks from congress that are just sitting around doing nothing might as well use them for something anything.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:12 |
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SHISHKABOB posted:THe united states already is an empire, just not in the way you think of them (rome, britain). It's an "economic" empire. A "cultural" empire. Oh, awesome. An "Economic" and "Cultural" empire; that poo poo doesn't fly in CIV and it doesn't fly IRL. Everyone knows the Military Victory is the real one. Tubgirl Cosplay posted:What kind of chump bitch empire makes its colonies fully franchised parts of the core Maybe if they HAD, they'd still be an empire. The US could be a new paradigm (in, admittedly, a very old paradigm).
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:13 |
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probably not a good idea. we re-created modern japan after WW2 and also the philippines was our colony. japan is full of tentacle rapist pedophiles and the philippines is a basketcase
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:13 |
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Didnt read a word of the OP but guess what I dont need to because I already know America is the greatest country in the history of this gay earth
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:14 |
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tanks for nothing, congress
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:15 |
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shiksa posted:i cant waigt to be annexed by canada when this whole poo poo starts to go down umm actually i think yhoull find that the king of burgers wants to buy tim hortons & then move north for that sweet canadianian corporate tax rate so, yeah. gently caress u. next we'll buy hockey. o wats that? WE ALREADY DID
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:15 |
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Applewhite posted:Oh, awesome. An "Economic" and "Cultural" empire; that poo poo doesn't fly in CIV and it doesn't fly IRL. Everyone knows the Military Victory is the real one. you've never built such a kicking rad and freedom-filled CIV world that all the computers concede to you and their citizens begin to eat hamburgers and embrace obesity? heh, obvious noob over here guys
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:15 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:probably not a good idea. we re-created modern japan after WW2 and also the philippines was our colony. japan is full of tentacle rapist pedophiles and the philippines is a basketcase japan and south korea actually are awesome idiot
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:15 |
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a creepy colon posted:japan and south korea actually are awesome idiot says the dude with the anime nazi avatar japan would actually be a decent country if it wasn't full of japanese people
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:17 |
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TOILETLORD posted:i want us to take all our extra tanks congress gave us and just sweep through all of south america, kill em all make canadians go to south america, we annex canada. the we are in a good position for a land war with russia. What about all the good looking Latin men and women? That's a whole lot of sexiness being wiped out.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:19 |
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seriously though anyone can take over a country with guns by spending a bunch of money america literally does nothing and is able to passively cause other countries to want to be like it. we bombed japan and now they are obsessed with our culture. we make fun of canada constantly like a retarded younger brother and yet each year their politicians bring their system a little bit closer to ours. we outright insult the brits about everything from their diet to their dental health to their speech defects and yet every time we send troops anywhere, britain is there to contribute america's current empire owns because everyone who hates us the most is wearing a shirt with english writing on it and has been to a mcdonalds in the past week
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:19 |
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TontoCorazon posted:What about all the good looking Latin men and women? That's a whole lot of sexiness being wiped out. all survivors will be sent to detroit.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:19 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:japan would actually be a decent country if it wasn't full of japanese people you are racist scum dude.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:20 |
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TontoCorazon posted:What about all the good looking Latin men and women? That's a whole lot of sexiness being wiped out. Score less than a solid 7 and the drone takes you out.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:20 |
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a creepy colon posted:japan and south korea actually are awesome idiot I have to admit, I totally forgot about Japan and South Korea. I have been to both and they are awesome places. But see? SEE? We didn't pussyfoot around in those countries with Bay of Pigs BS. We rolled in guns blazing, said "this is how things are gonna be" and stuck around until they fixed their poo poo. They are an example of how great the whole world could be if we applied ourselves.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:21 |
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a creepy colon posted:you are racist scum dude. yeah you're right. japan totally isn't one of the stupidest and most racist countries in the first world.
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# ? Aug 25, 2014 19:22 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:yeah you're right. japan totally isn't one of the stupidest and most racist countries in the first world. we should just change their constitution so they have to go to grade school in america. make them less insular.
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