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Shageletic posted:Exactly. At the end, there's this part where Dan Stevens goes on about the son doing the right thing for like a paragraph of dialogue with a knife stuck in his chest that had me howling. Everytime you think he's done, he's got something more supportive to say. Its amazing. That thumbs up. Resurrecting this thread because I just watched it. Dan Stevens killed in almost every single scene he is, and I especially love the spoilered scene (seriously do not read it until you watch the film, it's that incredible). I wasn't a big fan of You're Next or WIngard's contributions to the VHS movies, but he nailed the "Cap A as a psychopath in the 80's" ridiculously well. The gratuitous shots of the haunted house bits and the daughter's party scene (lol everything is 80s and Stevens huffing out smoke in slow mo) are fun enough and do not overstay their welcome. If Hotline Miami ever gets made into a film I would love Wingard to do it.
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So did this never get a proper release in the US then? What a pity.
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It did but it wasn't a wide release and it just sort of came and went without much hype.
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axleblaze posted:It did but it wasn't a wide release and it just sort of came and went without much hype. Oh well, it's on DVD/BR now so hopefully more people should check it out.
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axleblaze posted:It did but it wasn't a wide release and it just sort of came and went without much hype. Didn't help that it played nowhere. Couldn't find one showing in New York City when it was supposedly out here.
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It was in Lincoln Square for all of one weekend and then on 25th for slightly longer. Those tend to be pretty good bets for finding movies like this.
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This movie owns so god damned much
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Loved the hell out of this movie, probably the only film I've ever watched twice in a row because it was just such a fun ride. I am having trouble figuring out what his whole justification for making contact with Caleb's family even was. If Caleb was similarly psychopathic I doubt he would have had his fellow psychopath in arms tell them he loved them as his dying wish. And it was mentioned that David was basically programmed to tie up all loose ends, so why create the loose ends in the first place by integrating himself with the family and their friends and loved ones and giving them his real name to top it off? He seemed perfectly capable of doing what he needed to do while remaining incognito. Of course his whole reasoning for this could be an extremely overt metaphor for the military that's just going completely over my head right now, if so I'd appreciate it if someone cleared that up for me. By letting the kids live in the end and other actions he takes during the film it did seem that there was some hint of sentimentality in him, even though it was ultimately overpowered by his programming. Or maybe he's waiting till he recovers to tie up those two loose ends at a more opportune time? God what a great film. And just an observation I'd like to mention, even though he did have sex, overall to me he came off very much as a sexless being. All of the sexual tension in the movie seemed to come from the other characters while he just seemed to be in a constant state of heightened awareness, like a lizard. I thought that was an intriguing, creepy touch that made his character that much more unsettling.
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Chalk me up as another person who passed this movie by thinking it was a generic action film. This is "Spec Op: The Line" all over again. edit: Not seen it, like. Ordered though thanks to this thread. Diesel Fucker fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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speshl guy posted:Loved the hell out of this movie, probably the only film I've ever watched twice in a row because it was just such a fun ride. Running through my thoughts to your questions: * A lot of what he said was probably truth - he had heard a lot about the family. He was also likely there when Caleb did die, or at least 'died' in the sense of becoming like we see 'David'. * Programming and desires are two different things. * We see that David is not his real name - there's a picture of the real David when Barry Allen's sister is checking his identity for Caleb's sister. * The most effective way for him to figure out how to make their lives better was to build relationships with each of them. As he said, there are just too many complications. quote:By letting the kids live in the end and other actions he takes during the film it did seem that there was some hint of sentimentality in him, even though it was ultimately overpowered by his programming. Or maybe he's waiting till he recovers to tie up those two loose ends at a more opportune time? God what a great film. Given what we see before the ending, I'd say it's essentially left up to the audience to decide whether it's over. The intensity and focus, wrapped up in the borderline aw shucks persona was so well executed. I'd love to see more of the character, but I don't think that it'd be worth the risk of trying to recapture what made this so awesome.
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I love how Dan Stevens' reaction when the son basically solves the entire plot is to just silently go  at him until he stops talking and then "YES THAT IS AN INTERESTING THEORY "e: Is the dude at the end supposed to definitively be David? I don't really care that much either way, but if it is, the last few seconds are a perfect joke, but if it's supposed to be ambiguous that's actually sort of creepy. SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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This movie needs to have a wider audience. Holy poo poo. It's kinda funny how it follows the "Universal Soldier" formula. The last two Universal Soldier movies have been excellent, despite being direct to video. I guess it makes for a good script... EDIT: I wrote this 80% into the movie. Now that it's 100%... everyone watch this movie gently caress me it's loving fantastic. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Nov 16, 2014 17:34
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Man what a movie. I just watched it yesterday and I already want to rewatch it. And that soundtrack was just loving perfect. Listen to this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtO0EunG0IQ
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SALT CURES HAM posted:e: Is the dude at the end supposed to definitively be David? I don't really care that much either way, but if it is, the last few seconds are a perfect joke, but if it's supposed to be ambiguous that's actually sort of creepy. (ending spoiler) Yes. Eyes, leg, the number that the firefighter was talking about just seconds before.
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Dan Stevens has some serious murderface.
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This movie was so loving good. I just wish it ended like 20 seconds earlier. Everything about his dying moments was so utterly perfect that the needless stinger took a lot off of it.
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weekly font posted:This movie was so loving good. I just wish it ended like 20 seconds earlier. I disagree. It's just how this type of movie needs to end. The killer needs to just somehow survive but the "What the gently caress???" right before they cut to credits just took it to a whole new level for me.
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Whoa I can't believe the guy who did this and You're Next made one of the worst segments in the VHS series.axleblaze posted:I disagree. It's just how this type of movie needs to end. The killer needs to just somehow survive but the "What the gently caress???" right before they cut to credits just took it to a whole new level for me. Yeah, I mean, it's not a flaw in any objective way, it's just a personal thing that I felt cheapened a scene that had me howling harder than anything since the scene in my av. You did the right thing. *Thumbs up, dies in front of a plastic tombstone*
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weekly font posted:Whoa I can't believe the guy who did this and You're Next made one of the worst segments in the VHS series. I said it before but it's weird that for me You're Next managed to be the best horror film of 2013 mainly because Wingard's segment in V/H/S/2 brought that movie down.
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Wingard has pitch black comedy down to an art and it's even better here than in You're Next which I think fell a bit flat on its jokes at times. I think this is the funniest movie I've seen this year.
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I just finished watching it and holy poo poo that was ridiculous.
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weekly font posted:This movie was so loving good. I just wish it ended like 20 seconds earlier. gently caress you the stinger is hilarious
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This movie really deserved a wider release
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Was watching this for the second time with the BF who'd never seen it, and 10 minutes into the movie he goes "What's with all the loving triangles?" He'd noticed the 3-triangle symbol on David's blue hoodie which later turns out to match the symbol on the wall of the meeting room where Major Carver gets notified about Anna's phone call. Also, Anna wears a triangle necklace for much of the film. I first watched it with a friend who had an interesting theory regarding David's sexuality... Namely, the idea that he and Caleb may have been lovers. His sincerity when claiming that he knew Caleb "very well", especially when Mrs Peterson tearfully asks him if he was telling the truth about his relationship with her son; his apathetic reaction during the sex scene with Anna's waitress friend; buying blowjob shots for the bullies and initially ignoring their girlfriends; the whole "human being = hate crime" bully scene in the principal's office. It doesn't really add anything to the plot and probably wasn't intentional, but I think it adds an interesting thematic underpinning to the whole subversion of the military- not generally known for being tolerant of homosexuality- as an institution that creates its own monsters... Also, the idea that he genuinely had some sort of friendship with Caleb supports the interpretation that the subjects of the medical program had fairly normal human tendencies before the experiment messed them up, rather than the idea that they- or just David- were complete psychopaths to begin with. To me it's more fun that David's character actually does have good intentions before the Major's arrival triggers his programming and he starts offing everyone, rather than all of his actions being purely a product of his training and cold calculation- which doesn't even make much sense since, as people have pointed out, he could have much more easily achieved his goals if he'd bypassed the family and gone straight to the plastic surgeon. Automatic Jill fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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One conversation I loved is when Anna is in the car with not Nick Fury. "Maybe you shouldn't do experimental trials on psychopaths" "Actually he was a perfect candidate." You can get out of that that the super soldier whatever hosed him up but more than likely psycho and perfect candidate were one and the same.
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weekly font posted:One conversation I loved is when Anna is in the car with not Nick Fury.
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Anna also says "Well, you knew Caleb" to her boyfriend in a very vague way.
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I didn't quite catch it, but can we assume that David is in fact who he says he is, and the only reason why he was declared "dead" in the database is that his file was tampered with due to the Military Program? There was the bit about the plastic surgeon but I wasn't clear on whether or not he actually had surgery done or if that was just another possible plan he had to go off the grid.
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Yeah, David is who he says he is. Note how the plastic surgery thread gets dropped as soon as Nick Fury shows up, who is never in any doubt as to who it is anyhow. It was a red herring the writers put in as an excuse for Anna and her brother to almost figure out what's going on without revealing the actual twist too early. God drat, this movie owns. I want to see Wingard and Barrett do more stuff that isn't strictly horror; it's easily their weakest spot, bizarrely enough, and pretty much the only misstep in this movie is also the only "scary" bit (David stalking the kids/Nick Fury near the end). Even the music isn't as on point in that bit. Vengeance (Return of the Night Driving Avenger) by Perturbator is a fast-paced, energetic song that was used in trailers for Hotline Miami. Here, it plays over a dude struggling on the ground and bleeding to death. 
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I actually liked that part because of the horror feel and how the Hotline Miami music went well with the scary psychopath stalking people through maze-like corridors with neon lighting... a bit like Hotline Miami. Maybe it was "too Horror" for the rest of the movie but I just liked it from a stylistic standpoint. That and the fact that it was Anna's mixtape for David being used as David's own personal murder soundtrack, I just thought it was really cool.
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Don't get me wrong, the rest of the music in the scene was perfect, but that song in particular felt kind of out of place. I would have moved it to the shootout with the military instead and had Nick Fury's death be music-less, personally.
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This is a good movie. And that soundtrack, man! I hope there is a version out there with all of the songs used in the movie. I really dug how the track "antonio" by Annie, this soft vocal over a retro synth beat, was used first in the scene where David earns Anna's trust in a sort of intimate moment together and later when he is hunting her down and trying to choke her. Also, the "thumbs up" was such a great touch and made me think back to Terminator 2, another movie where a relentless psychopath is going after a woman and a teenage kid, such a great touch.
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Automatic Jill posted:buying blowjob shots for the bullies and initially ignoring their girlfriends You got this wrong he buys the girls blowjob shots and the guys cosmos as a diss
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Literally The Worst posted:You got this wrong he buys the girls blowjob shots and the guys cosmos as a diss Also the entire theory that David is homosexual takes away from the fact that he's just a mechanical, asexual killing machine. David's sex appeal, if used at all, is always a deflection or means of attaining an end. The one time he actually has sex it seems like it's only done because it's expected of him. He knocks the hell out of Anna's friend's ex, so of course he has "victory sex" with the friend. It may have also just been a way to appear normal and get closer to Anna's circle of friends.
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This was dope. Like if a sociopathic Captain America accidentally wandered into the plot of The Pacifier.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:
There is stuff in the works  I think one of those guys strong points is their ability to blend genres and you can expect more of that type of thing in the future.
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So, I've finally watched this film and... wow, haha. David is like the pinnacle of badboy sexiness. I don't think anyone will be able to top that in the nearest future. Played like that, he could even make 50 Shades of Grey interesting. (Possibly. Wouldn't want to overextend myself.) Still, definitely a movie for the ladies. Anyhow. Like some of you, and unlike others, I thought the horror part at the end was the weakest. I think I wasn't quite as prepared as some of you to accept the shifting register, so when one of the characters asked, paraphrasing, "What the gently caress is this," I had at more or less the same point an identical reaction. Probably because I'm not a fan of slasher movies in general. Favourite line: David with Mrs Peterson: "Oh, I knew Caleb. We were in the same program together. That's why he would completely understand what I'm about to do." :jab:
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Anyone notice that David's hoodie at the beginning has the KGP logo on it? Nice touch. Also, I wonder if the killing of the family causes David real remorse. Or if he's experiencing it. Before every family death, he's apologizing and maintaining a pleasant demeanor - "I'm so sorry" *jabs mom* - Looks incredibly annoyed that the car crash DIDN'T kill the father, and apologizes before shooting him - Catches up to the kids, but when they best him, he says "Hey, you did what you had to do" *thumbs up* This is directly opposite of when he has to clean up his loose ends outside of the family - he kills the arms dealer quickly, so he can't exhibit much emotion, but when he has to cap the pot smoker, he's satisfied either with the kill itself or his shot at that distance. Also, he doesn't exactly look "pleased" when he grenades the diner, but has a sort of "this is what it's come to" expression. Loved it though. David's expression when he see's the machine gun being set-up outside the house was laugh worthy, like so many small moments in this movie were - like gifting his butterfly knife to the son, the boy says "Don't YOU need it?" and David replies offhandedly, "Oh, I've got plenty". Also, when David's helping him with the geometry homework, David's holding the protractor with it's pointed end out, almost as if he's ready to lash out at any moment. This is followed by the scene where he has to display his dog tags, and when he retrieves them, he uses the knife he's had in his hands the entire scene, and the knife almost seems apart of his being the way he scoops them up delicately without looking. They're building a "universe" so I wouldn't mind learning more about David's program or KGP, and don't think a sequel would necessarily hurt. I would love for a Terminator 2 themed follow up.
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A Sports movie where david has o lead a plucky team of underdogs to victory, by murdering the other team.
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